Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has UK passport returned, MP says.

[Cold]

Mark Benson said:

Eric Mc said:

Mark Benson said:

Perhaps then, a little more enlightenment as to why you see fit to label strangers 'evil' or 'cruel, aggressive and mean minded idiots' for having opinons contra to your own might be in order; you know, have a conversation rather than a rant.

Perhaps because they make mean minded and cruel comments?

A distinct lack of humanity and compassion is often prevalent in some PHer postings. If you cannot see that, maybe you might be one of those who lacks those attributes.

So, no then. Fair enough.

It's worth pointing out that some of the sentiments expressed on PH reflect opinions being voiced elsewhere on the internet too.

[S17Thumper]

Liokault said:

Eric, this morning:

[otolith]

Eric Mc said:

Perhaps because they make mean minded and cruel comments?

A distinct lack of humanity and compassion is often prevalent in some PHer postings. If you cannot see that, maybe you might be one of those who lacks those attributes.

NP&E has been rotten for ages. I see nothing unpredictable here, sadly.

[Mark Benson]

Cold said:

Mark Benson said:

Eric Mc said:

Mark Benson said:

Perhaps then, a little more enlightenment as to why you see fit to label strangers 'evil' or 'cruel, aggressive and mean minded idiots' for having opinons contra to your own might be in order; you know, have a conversation rather than a rant.

Perhaps because they make mean minded and cruel comments?

A distinct lack of humanity and compassion is often prevalent in some PHer postings. If you cannot see that, maybe you might be one of those who lacks those attributes.

So, no then. Fair enough.

It's worth pointing out that some of the sentiments expressed on PH reflect opinions being voiced elsewhere on the internet too.

Of course they do, PH is just a subset of society.
Sometimes you read things you don't like; you can either engage and discuss, perhaps change minds and inform.

Or you can just rant at people and complain it's not like the old days....

[bitchstewie]

There's only so much constructive that you can say when a bunch of men think they know how a woman who's spent six years imprisoned in Iran should feel and know better than she does what she should say and think of the Government that were in power throughout it all at a Press Conference.

[Supercilious Sid]

Mark Benson said:

Cold said:

Mark Benson said:

Eric Mc said:

Mark Benson said:

Perhaps then, a little more enlightenment as to why you see fit to label strangers 'evil' or 'cruel, aggressive and mean minded idiots' for having opinons contra to your own might be in order; you know, have a conversation rather than a rant.

Perhaps because they make mean minded and cruel comments?

A distinct lack of humanity and compassion is often prevalent in some PHer postings. If you cannot see that, maybe you might be one of those who lacks those attributes.

So, no then. Fair enough.

It's worth pointing out that some of the sentiments expressed on PH reflect opinions being voiced elsewhere on the internet too.

Of course they do, PH is just a subset of society.
Sometimes you read things you don't like; you can either engage and discuss, perhaps change minds and inform.

Or you can just rant at people and complain it's not like the old days....

And overt sanctimony really isn't a great look.

[andyA700]

bhstewie said:

There's only so much constructive that you can say when a bunch of men think they know how a woman who's spent six years imprisoned in Iran should feel and know better than she does what she should say and think of the Government that were in power throughout it all at a Press Conference.

This 100%^^^

[valiant]

If I was stuck in prison/house arrest for six years and all it took was for the U.K. to repay money owed then I’d be fking livid as well. This could have been sorted years ago but I guess it wasn't politically expedient to do so.

[CoolHands]

valiant said:

If I was stuck in prison/house arrest for six years and all it took was for the U.K. to repay money owed then I’d be fking livid as well. This could have been sorted years ago but I guess it wasn't politically expedient to do so.

Perhaps it wasn’t the only reason. As pointed out before they didn’t pick some random Brit to hold onto.

[GranpaB]

CoolHands said:

valiant said:

If I was stuck in prison/house arrest for six years and all it took was for the U.K. to repay money owed then I’d be fking livid as well. This could have been sorted years ago but I guess it wasn't politically expedient to do so.

Perhaps it wasn’t the only reason. As pointed out before they didn’t pick some random Brit to hold onto.

Agreed.

[Murph7355]

bhstewie said:

....
Now can you name me just one positive thing that came from his comments about her?

Ask yourself why you're completely unable or unwilling to criticise him for them.

I never said his comments did help her. I wasn't the one whining. You were... Quelle surprise.

The comments 100% clearly had no bearing on her length of stay or treatment. Her going to an authoritarian regime who she was a dual national of, put her at risk. Be nice if she accepted that, perhaps, rather than moan.

Outcomes matter to me the most. She's been released. This govt agreed to pay the Iranian debt. Surely in the overall scheme of things that is all that really matters? (Rhetorical because I know you just like to bh and moan. If it makes your life more worthy, all power to you).

[GranpaB]

And where is all the support for the man that was also released?

[bitchstewie]

Murph7355 said:

I never said his comments did help her. I wasn't the one whining. You were... Quelle surprise.

The comments 100% clearly had no bearing on her length of stay or treatment. Her going to an authoritarian regime who she was a dual national of, put her at risk. Be nice if she accepted that, perhaps, rather than moan.

Outcomes matter to me the most. She's been released. This govt agreed to pay the Iranian debt. Surely in the overall scheme of things that is all that really matters? (Rhetorical because I know you just like to bh and moan. If it makes your life more worthy, all power to you).

It's excellent news I said so on the first page of the thread.

I'm not the one rushing in to defend the man who apologised to Parliament for the impression comments that according to you "clearly had no bearing" had given.

So not one positive but now it's all about outcomes.

Imagine my surprise

[anonymous-user]

There seems to be a belief that all the UK government had to do to secure her release was pay back this money previously. Maybe but what about the others? I appreciate she's the prettiest of all the prisoners which explains some of the ikky white knightery going on but what would the rest of their ransoms have been if she and the money had been released previously? Were there other conditions that got added or dropped? Who knows. It could have even been the Iranians made this most recent move sensing a chance to sell some oil.

[mooseracer]

valiant said:

If I was stuck in prison/house arrest for six years and all it took was for the U.K. to repay money owed then I’d be fking livid as well. This could have been sorted years ago but I guess it wasn't politically expedient to do so.

It isn't quite as black and white as that, but yes, she was effectively held hostage to global politics (sadly for her and the others).
I feel empathy for her and her family, and of course the others. Doesn't mean I don't think the decision to hold a press conference was correct, nor that the content of it wasn't ill judged.

[TurboTerrific9]

I'm surprised at the level of hate there is for this woman just for the fact that she isn't gushing over the process that freed her.

Jeremy Hunt's comments are, I think, important for context.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60832188

[valiant]

GranpaB said:

And where is all the support for the man that was also released?

There was an interview with his family the day he was released (BBC or Channel 4, can’t remember which).

However, Richard Radcliffe has continuously done his best to keep his wife in the public eye and harangued politicians continually to get her released rather than let the foreign office do things at their own glacial pace. Whilst it’s great that the other man was released it seems his family were a bit more content to let the wheels of government turn rather the husband who clearly wasn’t impressed with the level of support he was getting and managed to get public and some celebrity support to keep it front and centre.

It’s no surprise that the Radcliffe family is getting more of the spotlight now as they were fighting to keep it in the spotlight for the last six years when the government would rather he’d just go away.

[bitchstewie]

TurboTerrific9 said:

I'm surprised at the level of hate there is for this woman just for the fact that she isn't gushing over the process that freed her.

Jeremy Hunt's comments are, I think, important for context.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60832188

You're surprised at the level of hate for a woman who sat in a Press Conference next to a Labour MP (who happens to be her constituency MP) and didn't gush with praise about the Conservative Government who have been in power the entire duration of the six years and five Foreign Secretaries she's spent in detention?

It's absolute catnip for the "be grateful" types.

Good opinion piece here (and despite liking the Guardian for news I don't say that too often about their opinion pieces).

Nazanin is grateful, but is she grateful enough? I don’t know but the trolls will tell us

[rjfp1962]

valiant said:

GranpaB said:

And where is all the support for the man that was also released?

There was an interview with his family the day he was released (BBC or Channel 4, can’t remember which).

However, Richard Radcliffe has continuously done his best to keep his wife in the public eye and harangued politicians continually to get her released rather than let the foreign office do things at their own glacial pace. Whilst it’s great that the other man was released it seems his family were a bit more content to let the wheels of government turn rather the husband who clearly wasn’t impressed with the level of support he was getting and managed to get public and some celebrity support to keep it front and centre.

It’s no surprise that the Radcliffe family is getting more of the spotlight now as they were fighting to keep it in the spotlight for the last six years when the government would rather he’d just go away.

This 100%. And listening to Richard in the interview yesterday, now he's got his wife back he'd happily become anonymous again....

[Murph7355]

bhstewie said:

It's excellent news I said so on the first page of the thread.

I'm not the one rushing in to defend the man who apologised to Parliament for the impression comments that according to you "clearly had no bearing" had given.

So not one positive but now it's all about outcomes.

Imagine my surprise

You are the one constantly and reliably "rushing in" to whine and moan. I'll then "rush in" to call you a plum.

The outcome is that she is released. Is that not the primary measure of success? Or are other things more important? Maybe Boris should have combed his hair? Or Truss worn a nicer dress? Maybe they should have organised a parade? Would these have made it all better for you.

Or are you besties with the ayotollah and he personally told you that bad man made them keep the nice lady in jail another few years?

The comments having no bearing is apparent from the logic of the situation, rather than your typically enraged emotional response.

I repeat. Three people were incarcerated for the same amount of time. One was commented on. Two weren't. All released at the same time. Indeed, one of those not commented on is back in jail. But hey, it's the comments wot did it and made it all worse for someone who should have thought much more carefully about where she was travelling as an Iranian citizen.

As noted elsewhere, we should have paid the money the second the regime changed. I guess that was a 15yr old Boris' fault though, eh.

Remember to take your warfarin before reading the papers tomorrow and giving us your next installment of grrrr Boris.