Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has UK passport returned, MP says.

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has UK passport returned, MP says.

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rjfp1962

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5,324 posts

50 months

Tuesday 22nd March
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valiant said:
GranpaB said:
And where is all the support for the man that was also released?
There was an interview with his family the day he was released (BBC or Channel 4, can’t remember which).

However, Richard Radcliffe has continuously done his best to keep his wife in the public eye and harangued politicians continually to get her released rather than let the foreign office do things at their own glacial pace. Whilst it’s great that the other man was released it seems his family were a bit more content to let the wheels of government turn rather the husband who clearly wasn’t impressed with the level of support he was getting and managed to get public and some celebrity support to keep it front and centre.

It’s no surprise that the Radcliffe family is getting more of the spotlight now as they were fighting to keep it in the spotlight for the last six years when the government would rather he’d just go away.
This 100%. And listening to Richard in the interview yesterday, now he's got his wife back he'd happily become anonymous again....

Murph7355

32,853 posts

233 months

Tuesday 22nd March
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bhstewie said:
It's excellent news I said so on the first page of the thread.

I'm not the one rushing in to defend the man who apologised to Parliament for the impression comments that according to you "clearly had no bearing" had given.

So not one positive but now it's all about outcomes.

Imagine my surprise hehe
You are the one constantly and reliably "rushing in" to whine and moan. I'll then "rush in" to call you a plum.

The outcome is that she is released. Is that not the primary measure of success? Or are other things more important? Maybe Boris should have combed his hair? Or Truss worn a nicer dress? Maybe they should have organised a parade? Would these have made it all better for you.

Or are you besties with the ayotollah and he personally told you that bad man made them keep the nice lady in jail another few years?

The comments having no bearing is apparent from the logic of the situation, rather than your typically enraged emotional response.

I repeat. Three people were incarcerated for the same amount of time. One was commented on. Two weren't. All released at the same time. Indeed, one of those not commented on is back in jail. But hey, it's the comments wot did it and made it all worse for someone who should have thought much more carefully about where she was travelling as an Iranian citizen.

As noted elsewhere, we should have paid the money the second the regime changed. I guess that was a 15yr old Boris' fault though, eh.

Remember to take your warfarin before reading the papers tomorrow and giving us your next installment of grrrr Boris. smile

bitchstewie

40,379 posts

187 months

Tuesday 22nd March
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You're being daft Murph.

There's nothing "enraged" or "emotional" about anything I've said.

His comments were widely covered by the media at the time and he apparently called the Iranian Ambassador to clarify them and he also stood up in Parliament to apologise for them.

jesusbuiltmycar

4,303 posts

231 months

Tuesday 22nd March
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bhstewie said:
You're being daft Murph.

There's nothing "enraged" or "emotional" about anything I've said.

His comments were widely covered by the media at the time and he apparently called the Iranian Ambassador to clarify them and he also stood up in Parliament to apologise for them.
Is posting on here your job?

Mark Benson

6,675 posts

246 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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bhstewie said:
TurboTerrific9 said:
I'm surprised at the level of hate there is for this woman just for the fact that she isn't gushing over the process that freed her.

Jeremy Hunt's comments are, I think, important for context.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60832188
You're surprised at the level of hate for a woman who sat in a Press Conference next to a Labour MP (who happens to be her constituency MP) and didn't gush with praise about the Conservative Government who have been in power the entire duration of the six years and five Foreign Secretaries she's spent in detention?

It's absolute catnip for the "be grateful" types.

Good opinion piece here (and despite liking the Guardian for news I don't say that too often about their opinion pieces).

Nazanin is grateful, but is she grateful enough? I don’t know but the trolls will tell us
Marina Hyde? laugh

I saw who'd written it and knew immediately; it will be about how awful the British people are, and will not say a word about Iran.

And I was entirely correct.

I'm not surprised you like the piece though, it completely chimes with your wierd compulsion of telling us how awful we all are.

Murph7355

32,853 posts

233 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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bhstewie said:
You're being daft Murph.

There's nothing "enraged" or "emotional" about anything I've said.

His comments were widely covered by the media at the time and he apparently called the Iranian Ambassador to clarify them and he also stood up in Parliament to apologise for them.
Everything you post about he who shall not be named comes across that way. In good part due to the volume of it you post. It's as if you are looking for offence at every opportunity, even when there is no logical offense to be taken.

I have no idea what he said to the Iranian ambassador. Nor do you.

The media are just like you - they over-hype absolutely everything as it sells copy....to people like you. My disdain for our media is nothing new, and if you want to point the finger at "not helping", perhaps point there.

Boris "apologised" to try and quieten people like you whining all the time. I wish he'd had more backbone, frankly, and just said discussions were happening in the background to secure release as they had been for years and that we'd continue to try and secure release. But with the person concerned being, in effect, an Iranian citizen, it was difficult.

You also are well aware, however, that my view of government communications is not positive either. They open up when they should be shutting things down, they come up with fluff when they should be more assertive on details etc. The impression I get is that they are nigh on always saying what they thing people want to hear rather than what we need to be told - usually to appease the people who will whine. Which is doubly stupid as those people will whine anyway. (Covid communications are a great case in point).

3 people were locked up/prevented from moving freely. One was commented on (because one family elected not to follow Home Office guidance). All three were released at the same time. One is back in jail who was not commented on. Totally objectively, there is no logical conclusion that can be drawn that suggests Boris' comment extended NZR's period of lockdown further than it would have been had he not said it. Or said "something else" instead.

The key seems to have been the return of the £400m (++++) - I've stated my view on that. And, possibly, a warming towards Iranian oil (which will be a big fk off mistake IMO. As will any further dependence on Saudi or China or any easing up on Russia).

"But his comment didn't help". No comment other than "here's your £400m and can we buy some oil" would have. Anything else is just fluff.

(When you read the Guardian and it tells you that Boris has signed a $100bn deal with Iran for oil supplies, get yourself all frothy again and I will post very critically of how short sighted and fking stupid this is. (Or post that his hair was a mess and he spent a few quid on wallpaper again just ahead of the deal...and I'll call you out as being a plum smile).

(And overall, it's great NZR and Anousheh were released. If I were them my Iranian passports would be the first things on the bonfire).

poo at Paul's

12,177 posts

152 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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bhstewie said:
There's only so much constructive that you can say when a bunch of men think they know how a woman who's spent six years imprisoned in Iran should feel and know better than she does what she should say and think of the Government that were in power throughout it all at a Press Conference.
Fair comment though when she says absolutely fk all about the Govt that actually imprisoned her. laughlaugh

Oh, look, a squirrel

sugerbear

2,552 posts

135 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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The usual tory wingnuts out in force I see.

Camoradi

4,023 posts

233 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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rjfp1962 said:
This 100%. And listening to Richard in the interview yesterday, now he's got his wife back he'd happily become anonymous again....
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/channel-4-comm...

This might prove counterproductive to that aim. The director was interviewed on R4 on the day of her release. He's been filming over the last 5 years.

bitchstewie

40,379 posts

187 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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Murph7355 said:
Everything you post about he who shall not be named comes across that way. In good part due to the volume of it you post. It's as if you are looking for offence at every opportunity, even when there is no logical offense to be taken.

I have no idea what he said to the Iranian ambassador. Nor do you.

The media are just like you - they over-hype absolutely everything as it sells copy....to people like you. My disdain for our media is nothing new, and if you want to point the finger at "not helping", perhaps point there.

Boris "apologised" to try and quieten people like you whining all the time. I wish he'd had more backbone, frankly, and just said discussions were happening in the background to secure release as they had been for years and that we'd continue to try and secure release. But with the person concerned being, in effect, an Iranian citizen, it was difficult.

You also are well aware, however, that my view of government communications is not positive either. They open up when they should be shutting things down, they come up with fluff when they should be more assertive on details etc. The impression I get is that they are nigh on always saying what they thing people want to hear rather than what we need to be told - usually to appease the people who will whine. Which is doubly stupid as those people will whine anyway. (Covid communications are a great case in point).

3 people were locked up/prevented from moving freely. One was commented on (because one family elected not to follow Home Office guidance). All three were released at the same time. One is back in jail who was not commented on. Totally objectively, there is no logical conclusion that can be drawn that suggests Boris' comment extended NZR's period of lockdown further than it would have been had he not said it. Or said "something else" instead.

The key seems to have been the return of the £400m (++++) - I've stated my view on that. And, possibly, a warming towards Iranian oil (which will be a big fk off mistake IMO. As will any further dependence on Saudi or China or any easing up on Russia).

"But his comment didn't help". No comment other than "here's your £400m and can we buy some oil" would have. Anything else is just fluff.

(When you read the Guardian and it tells you that Boris has signed a $100bn deal with Iran for oil supplies, get yourself all frothy again and I will post very critically of how short sighted and fking stupid this is. (Or post that his hair was a mess and he spent a few quid on wallpaper again just ahead of the deal...and I'll call you out as being a plum smile).

(And overall, it's great NZR and Anousheh were released. If I were them my Iranian passports would be the first things on the bonfire).
Yes Murph the Foreign Secretary called the Iranian Ambassador and stood up in Parliament and apologised to the Commons for what he said just to "quieten" people like me.

Not because he'd said something unhelpful and detrimental to Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe no it definitely wasn't anything like that it was just to keep people like me quiet.

You really do believe that don't you hehe

andyA700

1,078 posts

14 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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Murph7355 said:
bhstewie said:
It's excellent news I said so on the first page of the thread.

I'm not the one rushing in to defend the man who apologised to Parliament for the impression comments that according to you "clearly had no bearing" had given.

So not one positive but now it's all about outcomes.

Imagine my surprise hehe
You are the one constantly and reliably "rushing in" to whine and moan. I'll then "rush in" to call you a plum.

The outcome is that she is released. Is that not the primary measure of success? Or are other things more important? Maybe Boris should have combed his hair? Or Truss worn a nicer dress? Maybe they should have organised a parade? Would these have made it all better for you.

Or are you besties with the ayotollah and he personally told you that bad man made them keep the nice lady in jail another few years?

The comments having no bearing is apparent from the logic of the situation, rather than your typically enraged emotional response.

I repeat. Three people were incarcerated for the same amount of time. One was commented on. Two weren't. All released at the same time. Indeed, one of those not commented on is back in jail. But hey, it's the comments wot did it and made it all worse for someone who should have thought much more carefully about where she was travelling as an Iranian citizen.

As noted elsewhere, we should have paid the money the second the regime changed. I guess that was a 15yr old Boris' fault though, eh.

Remember to take your warfarin before reading the papers tomorrow and giving us your next installment of grrrr Boris. smile
Tahbaz is not in a jail, he is in a hotel on hunger strike.
If we had paid this debt back in 2017 as the US did to get their four hostages released, then there would have been a totally different outcome.

Murph7355

32,853 posts

233 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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bhstewie said:
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Not because he'd said something unhelpful and detrimental to Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe ...
It demonstrably was no such thing. You being unable to see why explains a lot.

andyA700 said:
Tahbaz is not in a jail, he is in a hotel on hunger strike.
If we had paid this debt back in 2017 as the US did to get their four hostages released, then there would have been a totally different outcome.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60816960

According to the article above he was returned to prison, then later confined to quarters (much like NZR had been I believe, for much of her detainment) where he is now on hunger strike. As far as I'm aware Boris has still never commented openly about him? And yet he seems to be getting the worst deal of all three of them. Go figure.

On the debt, as I've noted before, we should have returned the funds the second we knew we weren't going ahead with the arms deal once the Shah was overthrown (or delivered spiked tanks smile). I kind of understand why we didn't/wouldn't have wanted to. But it's not what I would have done. Pay it and wash your hands of the new regime. Then apply sanctions from a clean start point.


julian64

13,559 posts

231 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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Murph7355 said:
On the debt, as I've noted before, we should have returned the funds the second we knew we weren't going ahead with the arms deal once the Shah was overthrown (or delivered spiked tanks smile). I kind of understand why we didn't/wouldn't have wanted to. But it's not what I would have done. Pay it and wash your hands of the new regime. Then apply sanctions from a clean start point.
I can at least see where you are coming from, but if you were 100% sure that the new government would use the money to enslave its citizens or wage war/develop nuclear weapons under an unstable autocrat.

Would you still feel okay and hand the money straight back? If so I respect your point of view, but I wouldn't share it.

NSNO

164 posts

129 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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vaud said:
TJSFWG said:
That's what is being reported. Johnson making his bed ready for Iran.

https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/15036494...
Well we owed them the money. I hope the country does open back up, I really want to visit at some point. Lovely people, history and food.
Agreed, always liked the Iraninan's that I have met over the years. Very friendly, intelligent and good people is what I have found and yes the food does seem very interesting and pretty healthy too.

Randy Winkman

11,418 posts

166 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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Mark Benson said:
bhstewie said:
TurboTerrific9 said:
I'm surprised at the level of hate there is for this woman just for the fact that she isn't gushing over the process that freed her.

Jeremy Hunt's comments are, I think, important for context.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60832188
You're surprised at the level of hate for a woman who sat in a Press Conference next to a Labour MP (who happens to be her constituency MP) and didn't gush with praise about the Conservative Government who have been in power the entire duration of the six years and five Foreign Secretaries she's spent in detention?

It's absolute catnip for the "be grateful" types.

Good opinion piece here (and despite liking the Guardian for news I don't say that too often about their opinion pieces).

Nazanin is grateful, but is she grateful enough? I don’t know but the trolls will tell us
Marina Hyde? laugh

I saw who'd written it and knew immediately; it will be about how awful the British people are, and will not say a word about Iran.

And I was entirely correct.

I'm not surprised you like the piece though, it completely chimes with your wierd compulsion of telling us how awful we all are.
It doesn't say how awful British people are. It's just about some British people. I honestly think it could have been inspired by looking at this thread on PH.

I think it's a good article. It just draws attention to the fact that some people's weird compulsion when a women gets let out of jail after years apart from her small child is to take offence rather than just be happy for her.

Mobile Chicane

19,806 posts

189 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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Peak c**tery here:



The little twerp can't take the roasting he deserves, as he's disabled replies to his tweets.

Liokault

2,837 posts

191 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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Randy Winkman said:
Mark Benson said:
bhstewie said:
TurboTerrific9 said:
I'm surprised at the level of hate there is for this woman just for the fact that she isn't gushing over the process that freed her.

Jeremy Hunt's comments are, I think, important for context.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60832188
You're surprised at the level of hate for a woman who sat in a Press Conference next to a Labour MP (who happens to be her constituency MP) and didn't gush with praise about the Conservative Government who have been in power the entire duration of the six years and five Foreign Secretaries she's spent in detention?

It's absolute catnip for the "be grateful" types.

Good opinion piece here (and despite liking the Guardian for news I don't say that too often about their opinion pieces).

Nazanin is grateful, but is she grateful enough? I don’t know but the trolls will tell us
Marina Hyde? laugh

I saw who'd written it and knew immediately; it will be about how awful the British people are, and will not say a word about Iran.

And I was entirely correct.

I'm not surprised you like the piece though, it completely chimes with your wierd compulsion of telling us how awful we all are.
It doesn't say how awful British people are. It's just about some British people. I honestly think it could have been inspired by looking at this thread on PH.

I think it's a good article. It just draws attention to the fact that some people's weird compulsion when a women gets let out of jail after years apart from her small child is to take offence rather than just be happy for her.
It doesn’t say some British people, it says British people….to quote:

« To Britain, where a woman who hasn’t said a word for six years is apparently talking too much. »

andyA700

1,078 posts

14 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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Mobile Chicane said:
Peak c**tery here:



The little twerp can't take the roasting he deserves, as he's disabled replies to his tweets.
Sad little f*****r. It wasn't British taxpayers money it belonged to Iran.

Randy Winkman

11,418 posts

166 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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Liokault said:
Randy Winkman said:
Mark Benson said:
bhstewie said:
TurboTerrific9 said:
I'm surprised at the level of hate there is for this woman just for the fact that she isn't gushing over the process that freed her.

Jeremy Hunt's comments are, I think, important for context.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60832188
You're surprised at the level of hate for a woman who sat in a Press Conference next to a Labour MP (who happens to be her constituency MP) and didn't gush with praise about the Conservative Government who have been in power the entire duration of the six years and five Foreign Secretaries she's spent in detention?

It's absolute catnip for the "be grateful" types.

Good opinion piece here (and despite liking the Guardian for news I don't say that too often about their opinion pieces).

Nazanin is grateful, but is she grateful enough? I don’t know but the trolls will tell us
Marina Hyde? laugh

I saw who'd written it and knew immediately; it will be about how awful the British people are, and will not say a word about Iran.

And I was entirely correct.

I'm not surprised you like the piece though, it completely chimes with your wierd compulsion of telling us how awful we all are.
It doesn't say how awful British people are. It's just about some British people. I honestly think it could have been inspired by looking at this thread on PH.

I think it's a good article. It just draws attention to the fact that some people's weird compulsion when a women gets let out of jail after years apart from her small child is to take offence rather than just be happy for her.
It doesn’t say some British people, it says British people….to quote:

« To Britain, where a woman who hasn’t said a word for six years is apparently talking too much. »
I don't think it's to be taken literally. Do you really think that the writer is saying that everyone in Britain thinks like that? Clearly she doesn't.

Liokault

2,837 posts

191 months

Wednesday 23rd March
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Randy Winkman said:
Liokault said:
Randy Winkman said:
Mark Benson said:
bhstewie said:
TurboTerrific9 said:
I'm surprised at the level of hate there is for this woman just for the fact that she isn't gushing over the process that freed her.

Jeremy Hunt's comments are, I think, important for context.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60832188
You're surprised at the level of hate for a woman who sat in a Press Conference next to a Labour MP (who happens to be her constituency MP) and didn't gush with praise about the Conservative Government who have been in power the entire duration of the six years and five Foreign Secretaries she's spent in detention?

It's absolute catnip for the "be grateful" types.

Good opinion piece here (and despite liking the Guardian for news I don't say that too often about their opinion pieces).

Nazanin is grateful, but is she grateful enough? I don’t know but the trolls will tell us
Marina Hyde? laugh

I saw who'd written it and knew immediately; it will be about how awful the British people are, and will not say a word about Iran.

And I was entirely correct.

I'm not surprised you like the piece though, it completely chimes with your wierd compulsion of telling us how awful we all are.
It doesn't say how awful British people are. It's just about some British people. I honestly think it could have been inspired by looking at this thread on PH.

I think it's a good article. It just draws attention to the fact that some people's weird compulsion when a women gets let out of jail after years apart from her small child is to take offence rather than just be happy for her.
It doesn’t say some British people, it says British people….to quote:

« To Britain, where a woman who hasn’t said a word for six years is apparently talking too much. »
I don't think it's to be taken literally. Do you really think that the writer is saying that everyone in Britain thinks like that? Clearly she doesn't.
She pedals self loathing, it’s not meant to be taken literally, she had clearly, in her mind and that of her readers, split the nation into the worthy who think like her, and the unworthy who think other than her.

It’s the modern way.