Trans woman convicted rapist sent to female prison

[Kes Arevo]

catso said:

Yes it is and in this case he should be in a male prison as he is a Man.

Putting a convicted male rapist in a Women's prison is absurd.

I agree entirely.

[Kes Arevo]

HustleRussell said:

Kes Arevo said:

HustleRussell said:

Wait, so you don't think there are transphobes on PH? Is this your first thread with the word 'trans' in the title?

If you feel slighted by my observation that there are transphobes in this thread then you aren't doing a very good job of trying to high ground me, not so long as you are directly calling me a bigot and a transphobe.

You genuinely don't get how you calling people transphobes whilst calling this transgender woman a man is ironic, do you?

It's got nothing to do with if transphobes are on the thread, it's to do with your misgendering being funny.

I didn't misgender anyone. I shan't expect an apology though.

BBC said:

Isla Bryson committed the crimes in Clydebank and Glasgow in 2016 and 2019 while known as Adam Graham.

The High Court in Glasgow heard that the 31-year-old has now started the process of gender re-assignment.

You won't get an apology, you are right.

[HustleRussell]

Kes Arevo said:

You won't get an apology, you are right.

Well at least that's something.

It's worth me mentioning that I have not read the Daily Mail article and there is no statement of fact that Isla Bryson (as she is now) will see out her custodial sentence in a women's prison, not in the BBC article I read.

If you cared to ask me whether I think she should see out her custodial sentence in an open women's prison then my answer is no- and that is because sex offenders obviously shouldn't be given the opportunity to re-offend in custody. That also has nothing to do with whether or not she is a trans woman. Its very simple to me.

[Kes Arevo]

HustleRussell said:

Well at least that's something.

It's worth me mentioning that I have not read the Daily Mail article and there is no statement of fact that Isla Bryson (as she is now) will see out her custodial sentence in a women's prison, not in the BBC article I read.

If you cared to ask me whether I think she should see out her custodial sentence in an open women's prison then my answer is no- and that is because sex offenders obviously shouldn't be given the opportunity to re-offend in custody. That also has nothing to do with whether or not she is a trans woman. Its very simple to me.

So we agree. What's the issue then?

[Terminator X]

Let's hope that it ends badly and we can all say I told you so.

TX.

[Kes Arevo]

Terminator X said:

Let's hope that it ends badly and we can all say I told you so.

TX.

End badly how, exactly?

[bitchstewie]

I heard a bit of an interview with Robert Buckland earlier and I'm sure he said that this would only happen in England if the prisoner had a Gender Recognition Certificate.

No idea what the situation is in Scotland but what a mess.

[HustleRussell]

Kes Arevo said:

HustleRussell said:

Well at least that's something.

It's worth me mentioning that I have not read the Daily Mail article and there is no statement of fact that Isla Bryson (as she is now) will see out her custodial sentence in a women's prison, not in the BBC article I read.

If you cared to ask me whether I think she should see out her custodial sentence in an open women's prison then my answer is no- and that is because sex offenders obviously shouldn't be given the opportunity to re-offend in custody. That also has nothing to do with whether or not she is a trans woman. Its very simple to me.

So we agree. What's the issue then?

Apart from you directly calling me a bigot and a transphobe without any basis whatsoever and without provocation?

The issue is the fact that the Daily Mail posts an article like this and it gets 50 posts in two and a half hours on a slow afternoon on PH. Very sadly, sexual offences of all kinds happen every day. Mostly without so much as a thread. What makes this one threadworthy is the fact that it involves a trans person. There is much to be outraged about if this person is going to see out her custodial sentence in an environment where she will have the opportunity to carry out further offences- however I don't know whether any of us know that that is the case. Unless that's the case, this is just another thread in which everyone basically gets very angry at trans people. The newspapers publish it because it goes over well.

Simple fact is it's like any case involving a sexual offender. They cannot be detained in an environment where they have the opportunity to re-offend. There's a st ton of froth on it because the person happens to be trans.

[Kes Arevo]

Dude, i was taking the piss out of you for calling people transphobes whilst calling this woman a man.

Jesus Christ.

Also, don't complain about people on a 'slow day' being in this thread, when you yourself are on it.

You don't scroll past, you jumped straight in calling people transphobes whilst calling her a man.

I get it that it's fine when you comment on something, but bad for others.

Some real freaky individuals on this website.

Edited by Kes Arevo on Tuesday 24th January 18:08

[Randy Winkman]

Kes Arevo said:

Terminator X said:

Let's hope that it ends badly and we can all say I told you so.

TX.

End badly how, exactly?

Good question. I'd like to know that too.

[anonymous-user]

Anybody that has finished their frothing and is interesting in the process for housing transgender prisoners here is a useful resource

http://www.prisonersadvice.org.uk/wp-content/uploa...

The Tl/dr take away is that the defendant will be held in segregated facilities whilst medical and prison professionals assess her individual circumstances and decide where is best to house her. As far as I am aware the segregated facilities and framework around the assessment is based heavily on pre-existing procedures for any other prisoner that may pose or have a risk posed to them by placing them in general population.

[Gogoplata]

catso said:

Yes it is and in this case he should be in a male prison as he is a Man.

Putting a convicted male rapist in a Women's prison is absurd. progressive.

According to some it would seem.

[HustleRussell]

Kes Arevo said:

Dude, i was taking the piss out of you for calling people transphobes whilst calling this woman a man.

Jesus Christ.

You've chosen to ignore this then?

HustleRussell said:

I didn't misgender anyone. I shan't expect an apology though.

BBC said:

Isla Bryson committed the crimes in Clydebank and Glasgow in 2016 and 2019 while known as Adam Graham.

The High Court in Glasgow heard that the 31-year-old has now started the process of gender re-assignment.

Do you acknowledge that she has transitioned?

[HustleRussell]

WorldBoss said:

Anybody that has finished their frothing and is interesting in the process for housing transgender prisoners here is a useful resource

http://www.prisonersadvice.org.uk/wp-content/uploa...

The Tl/dr take away is that the defendant will be held in segregated facilities whilst medical and prison professionals assess her individual circumstances and decide where is best to house her. As far as I am aware the segregated facilities and framework around the assessment is based heavily on pre-existing procedures for any other prisoner that may pose or have a risk posed to them by placing them in general population.

Thanks for that. As I hoped.

[Kes Arevo]

HustleRussell said:

Do you acknowledge that she has transitioned?

Are you stupid?

[HustleRussell]

Kes Arevo said:

HustleRussell said:

Do you acknowledge that she has transitioned?

Are you stupid?

I'll leave it to you to have the last word but I think this post has proved to be quite prophetic in relation to the thread topic;

plenty said:

That's a much more nuanced debate than can be realistically had here.

I can categorically state however, that having your opinions shaped by the Daily Mail is not a good idea.

[Rich1973]

I once had a guided tour of Foston Hall prison and as a man I didn't feel at all comfortable being there.
I feel pretty confident in saying that it won't be the women that this rapist has been imprisoned with that will be at risk.

[Earthdweller]

What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/tr...

A “predatory and controlling” rapist has been jailed for life after she attacked vulnerable women in female prisons.

The 52-year-old, who is currently transitioning, was sentenced yesterday for two counts of rape, two sexual assaults and one offence of wounding.

[anonymous-user]

Earthdweller said:

What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/tr...

A “predatory and controlling” rapist has been jailed for life after she attacked vulnerable women in female prisons.

The 52-year-old, who is currently transitioning, was sentenced yesterday for two counts of rape, two sexual assaults and one offence of wounding.

And judging by the vitriol in this thread, I take it below is what happens when things go supposedly "right"?

https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/05/21/trans-priso...

Pinknews said:

The new MOJ figures refer to 11 trans women who were sexually assaulted in men’s prisons last year.

That's the result of the process prior to the current segregation and assessment framework that I have eluded to earlier in this thread was put into place, where trans prisoners without a GRC were automatically sent to prisons making their birth gender with little or no protection, which was almost certainly a direct knee jerk reaction to the Karen White case above.

Nuanced problems often need nuanced solutions... Or we can just froth at fringe edge cases

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 24th January 19:19

[lrdisco]

Kes Arevo said:

Dude, i was taking the piss out of you for calling people transphobes whilst calling this woman a man.

Jesus Christ.

Also, don't complain about people on a 'slow day' being in this thread, when you yourself are on it.

You don't scroll past, you jumped straight in calling people transphobes whilst calling her a man.

I get it that it's fine when you comment on something, but bad for others.

Some real freaky individuals on this website.

Edited by Kes Arevo on Tuesday 24th January 18:08

Sorry but he’s a man until his genitalia are removed. Quite simple really.