ULEZ protest Trafalgar Square
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Randy Winkman said:
Jasandjules said:
youngsyr said:
Signs for the extension have already gone up where I am. Seems like its a done deal.
Only if people comply. If only I could afford to drive it to London
plenty said:
valiant said:
So what was the turnout?
I didn’t see anything on the news and judging by the anger on here and elsewhere I’d expect thousands to have turned up and make themselves heard.
I strongly suspect that:I didn’t see anything on the news and judging by the anger on here and elsewhere I’d expect thousands to have turned up and make themselves heard.
(a) the anger on here and other online platforms does not represent the views of the wider public or at least the people who actually live in the ULEZ area;
(b) because a very large proportion of the angry don't actually live in London it's too far for them to want to travel to a protest; and
(c) many of the angry are of the age where sitting on the sofa in their slippers is far more appealing than standing outside in the rain for hours.
It'll have to get worse before the reality becomes apparent to the idiots. It always does.
BTW Commenting on some of the actions re: the cameras may be an excuse to delete the thread.
plenty said:
I strongly suspect that:
(a) the anger on here and other online platforms does not represent the views of the wider public or at least the people who actually live in the ULEZ area;
(b) because a very large proportion of the angry don't actually live in London it's too far for them to want to travel to a protest; and
(c) many of the angry are of the age where sitting on the sofa in their slippers is far more appealing than standing outside in the rain for hours.
Well, speaking as one of those locals firmly opposed to ULEZ expansion, I'd suggest that:(a) the anger on here and other online platforms does not represent the views of the wider public or at least the people who actually live in the ULEZ area;
(b) because a very large proportion of the angry don't actually live in London it's too far for them to want to travel to a protest; and
(c) many of the angry are of the age where sitting on the sofa in their slippers is far more appealing than standing outside in the rain for hours.
a) Whilst there are some locals who pop up on the likes of Nextdoor to profess support for the ULEZ expansion, the maority of local opinion, at least from those who can be bothered to say anything about it is really rather negative.
b) Given the scope of the expansion, and the number of non-Londoners affected by it (like, all those people working at Heathrow, or in hospitals, fire stations, schools etc, who commute into Greater London from the surrounding counties), it's not unreasonable that there's a significant level of opposition to the scheme from those who were given no say in it, and have no way to express their feelings towards our dear leader next May.
c) Or are simply too busy with work and family committments to be able to spare the time to trek into central London.
On the continent cameras have been attacked on mass I believe in France till they were removed. I dint think damaging 3 or 4 will make a difference. 3 or 4 hundred maybe but I won't advocate people breaking the law. Rather direct action needs to be significantly greater to force change. Think industrial action poll tax non payment and riots.
Gecko1978 said:
On the continent cameras have been attacked on mass I believe in France till they were removed. I dint think damaging 3 or 4 will make a difference. 3 or 4 hundred maybe but I won't advocate people breaking the law. Rather direct action needs to be significantly greater to force change. Think industrial action poll tax non payment and riots.
They tried this with speed cameras in Western Australia. The police just started watching/filming the cameras and charging those who attempted it.
Another protest this April 15th
https://togetherdeclaration.org/event/no-to-ulez-r...
This is interesting
https://thehaveringdaily.co.uk/2023/03/17/is-the-u...
https://togetherdeclaration.org/event/no-to-ulez-r...
This is interesting
https://thehaveringdaily.co.uk/2023/03/17/is-the-u...
Oliver Hardy said:
Another protest this April 15th
https://togetherdeclaration.org/event/no-to-ulez-r...
The BBC calling them far right conspiracy theorists https://togetherdeclaration.org/event/no-to-ulez-r...
SlimJim16v said:
Oliver Hardy said:
Another protest this April 15th
https://togetherdeclaration.org/event/no-to-ulez-r...
The BBC calling them far right conspiracy theorists https://togetherdeclaration.org/event/no-to-ulez-r...
Gecko1978 said:
On the continent cameras have been attacked on mass I believe in France till they were removed. I dint think damaging 3 or 4 will make a difference. 3 or 4 hundred maybe but I won't advocate people breaking the law. Rather direct action needs to be significantly greater to force change. Think industrial action poll tax non payment and riots.
Presumably you don't have a problem with those who vandalise SUVs as it's for their (mistaken) cause?SlimJim16v said:
Oliver Hardy said:
Another protest this April 15th
https://togetherdeclaration.org/event/no-to-ulez-r...
The BBC calling them far right conspiracy theorists https://togetherdeclaration.org/event/no-to-ulez-r...
s1962a said:
What was the turnout of this protest?
I don’t know, but seeing the photos of it on Facebook, it's easily in the hundreds.I've seen reports of cameras being attacked, bags/boxes placed over them, cables cut, lenses painted, even being stolen.
The barriers for LTNs are also being damaged, removed, set on fire, etc. People are hiding or removing number plates to drive through cameras.
fido said:
plenty said:
(c) many of the angry are of the age where sitting on the sofa in their slippers is far more appealing than standing outside in the rain for hours.
Loads of petrol-heads and classic car enthusiasts in the video above. Not angry people at all, very rational and calm .. quite the opposite of Sadiq's Khan performances in the GLA.Gareth79 said:
fido said:
plenty said:
(c) many of the angry are of the age where sitting on the sofa in their slippers is far more appealing than standing outside in the rain for hours.
Loads of petrol-heads and classic car enthusiasts in the video above. Not angry people at all, very rational and calm .. quite the opposite of Sadiq's Khan performances in the GLA.My Cerbera is classed as a classic car but is not exempt the ULEZ charge.
In order to get to the tube to be able to get to work efficiently I have to buy another car with all the associated costs like tax and insurance as all my cars are old. If I avoid the ULEZ by getting the train loacally to me it doubles my commute time and triples the price.
Jasandjules said:
youngsyr said:
Signs for the extension have already gone up where I am. Seems like its a done deal.
Only if people comply. Imagine someone finding themselves in that increased ULEZ having to pay an extra twelve pounds fifty to get to work every day.
SlimJim16v said:
If that's all of them they're oddly spaced and in some areas easily avoided by taking a detour through residential roads or of an extra few miles. mcdjl said:
If that's all of them
It's not. Leaving aside the inherent inaccuracies of relying on crowdsourced data to mark their positions, Vs having access to TfL's official location data, in the outer London expansion zone it only reflects the *current* camera positions, not the *final* ones. In this area, cameras are being installed on a daily basis, so provided the map continues to be updated regularly then comparing what it looks like today with it in a couple of weeks time will show some obvious differences, and you'll be able to repeat that comparison every couple of weeks between now and August, unless the court case causes an abrupt change of direction...
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