Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[turbobloke]

Love 'em or loathe 'em Reform (+6) have done well since the election including by taking poll votes from Labour (-6) though the coincidental numbers won't reflect exact movements (obv) as other parties are involved. The Conservatives have been ahead more often than not in the past week's polling x5 between 21 and 28 Nov (top row). Labour are a symptom of all that's wrong atm after their massive fall from grace.

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turbobloke said:

Love 'em or loathe 'em Reform (+6) have done well since the election including by taking poll votes from Labour (-6) though the coincidental numbers won't reflect exact movements (obv) as other parties are involved. The Conservatives have been ahead more often than not in the past week's polling x5 between 21 and 28 Nov (top row). Labour are a symptom of all that's wrong atm after their massive fall from grace.

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

[Vasco]

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
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[turbobloke]

Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
.

ASLEF dropped off additional funding for the Labour Party (£100,000) going into the general election. Then within 6 weeks of getting elected the Labour Party forked out over £100 million a year form our taxes in pay rises to ASLEF members. This largesse was nothing to do with the recent donation or previous donations. Absolutely not, both events were just the morally righteous thing to do.

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Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
.

My list of things that move the dial on the quality of life for 66 million people in order:
1. Train drivers' salaries
2. Other stuff.

Just weird. Of all the things wrong with the UK, that's really your first thought? Not even pensioners who can't afford their utility bills? Increased employment taxes? No, it's fking train drivers. Did your wife run away with a train driver or something?

[tamore]

E63eeeeee... said:

Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
.

My list of things that move the dial on the quality of life for 66 million people in order:
1. Train drivers' salaries
2. Other stuff.

Just weird. Of all the things wrong with the UK, that's really your first thought? Not even pensioners who can't afford their utility bills? Increased employment taxes? No, it's fking train drivers. Did your wife run away with a train driver or something?

don't get him started on milliband either!

[valiant]

tamore said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
.

My list of things that move the dial on the quality of life for 66 million people in order:
1. Train drivers' salaries
2. Other stuff.

Just weird. Of all the things wrong with the UK, that's really your first thought? Not even pensioners who can't afford their utility bills? Increased employment taxes? No, it's fking train drivers. Did your wife run away with a train driver or something?

don't get him started on milliband either!

Or that Brighton is a bit of a sthole!

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tamore said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
.

My list of things that move the dial on the quality of life for 66 million people in order:
1. Train drivers' salaries
2. Other stuff.

Just weird. Of all the things wrong with the UK, that's really your first thought? Not even pensioners who can't afford their utility bills? Increased employment taxes? No, it's fking train drivers. Did your wife run away with a train driver or something?

don't get him started on milliband either!

I actually saw Milliband getting off a train with his kids once. Probably best not mention that then.

[bad company]

If Musk really does give them £100m that’s a game changer. This is also being reported in The Sunday Times albeit behind a paywall:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/...

[.:ian:.]

bad company said:

If Musk really does give them £100m that’s a game changer. This is also being reported in The Sunday Times albeit behind a paywall:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/...

Nutter, I might consider voting for Farage if Elon gave *me* $100M, but otherwise its a non-starter.

[Hill92]

bad company said:

If Musk really does give them £100m that’s a game changer. This is also being reported in The Sunday Times albeit behind a paywall:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/...

Bought and sold for foreign gold?

[p1stonhead]

turbobloke said:

Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
.

ASLEF dropped off additional funding for the Labour Party (£100,000) going into the general election. Then within 6 weeks of getting elected the Labour Party forked out over £100 million a year form our taxes in pay rises to ASLEF members. This largesse was nothing to do with the recent donation or previous donations. Absolutely not, both events were just the morally righteous thing to do.

And? The guy who said he wanted to shoot Diane abbot and hate all black women gave the Tories £10m

[turbobloke]

p1stonhead said:

turbobloke said:

Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
.

ASLEF dropped off additional funding for the Labour Party (£100,000) going into the general election. Then within 6 weeks of getting elected the Labour Party forked out over £100 million a year form our taxes in pay rises to ASLEF members. This largesse was nothing to do with the recent donation or previous donations. Absolutely not, both events were just the morally righteous thing to do.

And? The guy who said he wanted to shoot Diane abbot and hate all black women gave the Tories £10m

Classic whataboutery, the alleged appalling racist remarks were condemned by Number 10 and Hester didn't get over £100m back. No parallel.

[bitchstewie]

No Turbo number 10 initially refused to say that the alleged appalling racist remarks were racist then we spent days being told the remarks were "wrong" but funnily enough all the ministers saying they were "wrong" were unable to tell us why they were wrong.

Top gaslighting though.

[bad company]

Hill92 said:

bad company said:

If Musk really does give them £100m that’s a game changer. This is also being reported in The Sunday Times albeit behind a paywall:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/...

Bought and sold for foreign gold?

You could look at it that way but I’d love to see Reform in power and Farage as PM.

[bitchstewie]

bad company said:

You could look at it that way but I’d love to see Reform in power and Farage as PM.

Might as well stick a diamond collar and leash on Farage and call him Musks pet if that happens.

The donation system already seems unfit for purpose I'm not sure opening it up so rich billionaires can try to buy elections is a step forward is it?

That isn't limited to Musk and Reform either.

Are you as comfortable if some rich Russian billionaire rocks up and decides to give £500M to Labour tomorrow?

Once you start going down that sort of road with those sort of sums and no restrictions on where the money comes from where does it end?

Large donations are already done to try to buy influence but there's a difference between trying to influence a party and trying to buy an election.

[p1stonhead]

turbobloke said:

p1stonhead said:

turbobloke said:

Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
.

ASLEF dropped off additional funding for the Labour Party (£100,000) going into the general election. Then within 6 weeks of getting elected the Labour Party forked out over £100 million a year form our taxes in pay rises to ASLEF members. This largesse was nothing to do with the recent donation or previous donations. Absolutely not, both events were just the morally righteous thing to do.

And? The guy who said he wanted to shoot Diane abbot and hate all black women gave the Tories £10m

Classic whataboutery, the alleged appalling racist remarks were condemned by Number 10 and Hester didn't get over £100m back. No parallel.

Condemned?

They kept the racists money. That’s an endorsement.

[LimmerickLad]

bad company said:

Hill92 said:

bad company said:

If Musk really does give them £100m that’s a game changer. This is also being reported in The Sunday Times albeit behind a paywall:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/...

Bought and sold for foreign gold?

You could look at it that way but I’d love to see Reform in power and Farage as PM.

I had no choice but to hold my nose and buy & sign up to Starlink........turns out to be the best and most reliable internet connection I've ever had.......just saying

[turbobloke]

p1stonhead said:

turbobloke said:

p1stonhead said:

turbobloke said:

Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
.

ASLEF dropped off additional funding for the Labour Party (£100,000) going into the general election. Then within 6 weeks of getting elected the Labour Party forked out over £100 million a year form our taxes in pay rises to ASLEF members. This largesse was nothing to do with the recent donation or previous donations. Absolutely not, both events were just the morally righteous thing to do.

And? The guy who said he wanted to shoot Diane abbot and hate all black women gave the Tories £10m

Classic whataboutery, the alleged appalling racist remarks were condemned by Number 10 and Hester didn't get over £100m back. No parallel.

Condemned?
.

Yes, and it's still a non-starter as an analogy, not the best as diversions go.

[p1stonhead]

turbobloke said:

p1stonhead said:

turbobloke said:

p1stonhead said:

turbobloke said:

Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
.

ASLEF dropped off additional funding for the Labour Party (£100,000) going into the general election. Then within 6 weeks of getting elected the Labour Party forked out over £100 million a year form our taxes in pay rises to ASLEF members. This largesse was nothing to do with the recent donation or previous donations. Absolutely not, both events were just the morally righteous thing to do.

And? The guy who said he wanted to shoot Diane abbot and hate all black women gave the Tories £10m

Classic whataboutery, the alleged appalling racist remarks were condemned by Number 10 and Hester didn't get over £100m back. No parallel.

Condemned?
.

You’re right I forgot they kept the money. You’re 100% right they basically endorsed him.

Notice you cut off the bit where they didn’t even remotely condemn it because they kept the money. Pathetic.

Everyone can edit someone else’s post you know