Reform UK

[bad company]

Hill92 said:

bad company said:

If Musk really does give them £100m that’s a game changer. This is also being reported in The Sunday Times albeit behind a paywall:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/...

Bought and sold for foreign gold?

You could look at it that way but I’d love to see Reform in power and Farage as PM.

[bitchstewie]

bad company said:

You could look at it that way but I’d love to see Reform in power and Farage as PM.

Might as well stick a diamond collar and leash on Farage and call him Musks pet if that happens.

The donation system already seems unfit for purpose I'm not sure opening it up so rich billionaires can try to buy elections is a step forward is it?

That isn't limited to Musk and Reform either.

Are you as comfortable if some rich Russian billionaire rocks up and decides to give £500M to Labour tomorrow?

Once you start going down that sort of road with those sort of sums and no restrictions on where the money comes from where does it end?

Large donations are already done to try to buy influence but there's a difference between trying to influence a party and trying to buy an election.

[p1stonhead]

turbobloke said:

p1stonhead said:

turbobloke said:

Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
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ASLEF dropped off additional funding for the Labour Party (£100,000) going into the general election. Then within 6 weeks of getting elected the Labour Party forked out over £100 million a year form our taxes in pay rises to ASLEF members. This largesse was nothing to do with the recent donation or previous donations. Absolutely not, both events were just the morally righteous thing to do.

And? The guy who said he wanted to shoot Diane abbot and hate all black women gave the Tories £10m

Classic whataboutery, the alleged appalling racist remarks were condemned by Number 10 and Hester didn't get over £100m back. No parallel.

Condemned?

They kept the racists money. That’s an endorsement.

[LimmerickLad]

bad company said:

Hill92 said:

bad company said:

If Musk really does give them £100m that’s a game changer. This is also being reported in The Sunday Times albeit behind a paywall:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/...

Bought and sold for foreign gold?

You could look at it that way but I’d love to see Reform in power and Farage as PM.

I had no choice but to hold my nose and buy & sign up to Starlink........turns out to be the best and most reliable internet connection I've ever had.......just saying

[turbobloke]

p1stonhead said:

turbobloke said:

p1stonhead said:

turbobloke said:

Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
.

ASLEF dropped off additional funding for the Labour Party (£100,000) going into the general election. Then within 6 weeks of getting elected the Labour Party forked out over £100 million a year form our taxes in pay rises to ASLEF members. This largesse was nothing to do with the recent donation or previous donations. Absolutely not, both events were just the morally righteous thing to do.

And? The guy who said he wanted to shoot Diane abbot and hate all black women gave the Tories £10m

Classic whataboutery, the alleged appalling racist remarks were condemned by Number 10 and Hester didn't get over £100m back. No parallel.

Condemned?
.

Yes, and it's still a non-starter as an analogy, not the best as diversions go.

[p1stonhead]

turbobloke said:

p1stonhead said:

turbobloke said:

p1stonhead said:

turbobloke said:

Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Governments doing unpopular things in the first few years after an election is the only reason this country is even vaguely functioning. The last lot spent 5 years governing like they thought there would be an election tomorrow and everything went to st, you can't only govern on slogans and populist nonsense and expect anything real to improve.

No, much better to pay train drivers even more than their already excessive remuneration...
.

ASLEF dropped off additional funding for the Labour Party (£100,000) going into the general election. Then within 6 weeks of getting elected the Labour Party forked out over £100 million a year form our taxes in pay rises to ASLEF members. This largesse was nothing to do with the recent donation or previous donations. Absolutely not, both events were just the morally righteous thing to do.

And? The guy who said he wanted to shoot Diane abbot and hate all black women gave the Tories £10m

Classic whataboutery, the alleged appalling racist remarks were condemned by Number 10 and Hester didn't get over £100m back. No parallel.

Condemned?
.

You’re right I forgot they kept the money. You’re 100% right they basically endorsed him.

Notice you cut off the bit where they didn’t even remotely condemn it because they kept the money. Pathetic.

Everyone can edit someone else’s post you know

[turbobloke]

p1stonhead said:

Notice you cut off the bit where they didn’t even remotely condemn it because they kept the money. Pathetic.

Like the non-analogous diversion it replied to.

[p1stonhead]

turbobloke said:

p1stonhead said:

Notice you cut off the bit where they didn’t even remotely condemn it because they kept the money. Pathetic.

Like the non-analogous diversion it replied to.

Looks like you agreed with me? Odd.

[turbobloke]

LimmerickLad said:

bad company said:

Hill92 said:

bad company said:

If Musk really does give them £100m that’s a game changer. This is also being reported in The Sunday Times albeit behind a paywall:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/...

Bought and sold for foreign gold?

You could look at it that way but I’d love to see Reform in power and Farage as PM.

I had no choice but to hold my nose and buy & sign up to Starlink........turns out to be the best and most reliable internet connection I've ever had.......just saying

Since the election: Labour -6 percentage points, Reform +6 percentage points. Just saying

[Randy Winkman]

turbobloke said:

Since the election: Labour -6 percentage points, Reform +6 percentage points. Just saying

I'd suggest that's mostly because Labour are the Government and have actually had to do something. I'm not suggesting they've done it very well but it's not really a fair comparison.

[turbobloke]

Randy Winkman said:

turbobloke said:

Since the election: Labour -6 percentage points, Reform +6 percentage points. Just saying

I'd suggest that's mostly because Labour are the Government and have actually had to do something.

"We need to do something, this is something, we need to do it"

Sure, that sounds like Labour "thinking". Unfortunately creating an imaginary £22bn black hole, freezing pensioners, borrowing more to give above-inflation pay rises to the public sector, making life much more costly and difficult for businesses including with hiring workers, being mired in sleaze, knocking business and consumer confidence, targeting farming families all the while maintaining pants on fire, isn't the 'it' they needed to do. What they've done so far has been, in essence, a disaster with voters, and there's no sign of improvement. That's the reason.

Starmer is now less popular than Farage, the Tories have been ahead in the polls more often (3/5) than Labour 21-28 Nov, and almost half of those who voted Labour in July are majorly underwhelmed. A majority think the country is being taken in the wrong direction. There's the verdict on what Labour have done.

The reason why Reform and Farage are doing well, labelled as a 'populist' party with no influence yet with a leader more popular than the PM, relates to the underperformance of Conservatives and Labour alike. This definition from John Gray also helps...populism is a term "used by liberals to refer to political blowback against the social disruption produced by their own policies”.

[thetapeworm]

bad company said:

If Musk really does give them £100m that’s a game changer. This is also being reported in The Sunday Times albeit behind a paywall:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/...

A 35% increase in wealth (+$70b) since his investment in the Trump campaign, presumably this is his new way to generate money.

I can't see similar gains from causing chaos in the UK but I hear a few extra billion never does any harm.

[Gecko1978]

bad company said:

Hill92 said:

bad company said:

If Musk really does give them £100m that’s a game changer. This is also being reported in The Sunday Times albeit behind a paywall:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/...

Bought and sold for foreign gold?

You could look at it that way but I’d love to see Reform in power and Farage as PM.

I was delighted an horrified by this idea all at once. But if he gives them 100m will it allow for stronger election profile better vetting of candidates etc. Also how does £100m compare to money available to labour via unions

[MrBogSmith]

I suspect most Labour supporters are more than happy for Reform to do reasonably well so to help get Labour elected again.

[handpaper]

MrBogSmith said:

I suspect most Labour supporters are more than happy for Reform to do reasonably well so to help get Labour elected again.

With both Reform and the Conservatives gaining support at the cost of Labour, I wouldn't be so sure that that will happen.

[DeejRC]

Its an amusing thing to ponder is Elon giving 100m to a UK political party, but, well, I cant half wonder wtf for - there isnt a credible payback for it.

"Rich buggers buying UK elections!" I hear you call, but well, er...no. Buying...what exactly? In case it has escaped the notice of some, Musk tends not to care about such stuff in Europe - he goes around govts. Or over them. He is really quite up front about it, he just considers it quicker and easier to do that. His business interests in Twitter dont benefit from pumping 100mil into HMG (doesnt matter which party is running it), Tesla...well he would be better pumping that into any of the Greens, LDs, Tories or Labour than near Farage on that one!! IF that money was going begging in Elon's spare change, every man and his dog in HMG should AND WOULD have been licking his arse from the Delta to the DMZ (#backinthedayreference) over British Volt and battery mega factories, etc. Instead....bzzzt, nada.
If he wishes to bribe anyone to let them build Hyperlink, then fk yes pls Elon and frankly £5 would have done that pls mate. I think we can safely dismiss that as never happening before Vlad sucks Bojo's todger.
And SpaceX. Well, hell, maybe he's looked at a cpl of spaceports in say Cornwall and Scotland and after he finished laughing, he just simply felt sorry for us?

Are we, therefore, supposed to believe that all we are left with is: because he is a mate of a mate of Nige. And Nige has said, if you give me some money and I get elected, I will...make you some more money, by letting you invest in something and maybe making it work better than it currently does?
What did he offer him, the Post Office?

Not a single thing about this makes any sense in any way left right or centre, up nor down. As such I can only be forced to conclude that it is utter bks.

[Randy Winkman]

turbobloke said:

Randy Winkman said:

turbobloke said:

Since the election: Labour -6 percentage points, Reform +6 percentage points. Just saying

I'd suggest that's mostly because Labour are the Government and have actually had to do something.

"We need to do something, this is something, we need to do it"

Sure, that sounds like Labour "thinking". Unfortunately creating an imaginary £22bn black hole, freezing pensioners, borrowing more to give above-inflation pay rises to the public sector, making life much more costly and difficult for businesses including with hiring workers, being mired in sleaze, knocking business and consumer confidence, targeting farming families all the while maintaining pants on fire, isn't the 'it' they needed to do. What they've done so far has been, in essence, a disaster with voters, and there's no sign of improvement. That's the reason.

Starmer is now less popular than Farage, the Tories have been ahead in the polls more often (3/5) than Labour 21-28 Nov, and almost half of those who voted Labour in July are majorly underwhelmed. A majority think the country is being taken in the wrong direction. There's the verdict on what Labour have done.

The reason why Reform and Farage are doing well, labelled as a 'populist' party with no influence yet with a leader more popular than the PM, relates to the underperformance of Conservatives and Labour alike. This definition from John Gray also helps...populism is a term "used by liberals to refer to political blowback against the social disruption produced by their own policies”.

I dont think I'd like to see what Reform would do and how popular that would make them.

[Vasco]

handpaper said:

With both Reform and the Conservatives gaining support at the cost of Labour, I wouldn't be so sure that that will happen.

It would be interesting to see an agreement made that encouraged Reform and Conservatives to work together at future elections.....

[bad company]

Vasco said:

It would be interesting to see an agreement made that encouraged Reform and Conservatives to work together at future elections.....

Great plan but I can’t see Kemi Badenich or Farage relinquishing leadership of their parties.

[MrBogSmith]

handpaper said:

MrBogSmith said:

I suspect most Labour supporters are more than happy for Reform to do reasonably well so to help get Labour elected again.

With both Reform and the Conservatives gaining support at the cost of Labour, I wouldn't be so sure that that will happen.

What's the source for that? Regardless, they can gain a fair bit and it still won't matter.

Reform massively hinders the Conservatives and greatly benefits Labour.

If we had a PR system it wouldn't be so, but with FPTP it is.