Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12
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Latest from Mercurious on the deletion scandal"follow the science" "the science says Sturgeon is a liar"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fFUZe5WznE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fFUZe5WznE
irc said:
Latest from Mercurious on the deletion scandal"follow the science" "the science says Sturgeon is a liar"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fFUZe5WznE
Very well done.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fFUZe5WznE
irc said:
Latest from Mercurious on the deletion scandal"follow the science" "the science says Sturgeon is a liar"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fFUZe5WznE
+1...very well done.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fFUZe5WznE
When is Sturgeon up again in front of the beak.
This article is intriguing https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...
It seems to skirt over the key point as far as I can see: the inquiry had requested and Sturgeon had given her condescending response to Channel 4 BEFORE this guidance was introduced in November 2021 as far as I can tell. Surely the requirement of the inquiry trumps any internal policy?
It seems to skirt over the key point as far as I can see: the inquiry had requested and Sturgeon had given her condescending response to Channel 4 BEFORE this guidance was introduced in November 2021 as far as I can tell. Surely the requirement of the inquiry trumps any internal policy?
Composer62 said:
irc said:
Latest from Mercurious on the deletion scandal"follow the science" "the science says Sturgeon is a liar"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fFUZe5WznE
Very well done.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fFUZe5WznE
It would be quite the coup if Meta decided to forego it's policies on WhatsApp message access, and suddenly discovered all these 'deleted' messages resting on their servers, and handed the lot over to the enquiry in the spirit of full public disclosure. I reckon wee Teflon Nippy's arse would immediately collapse, and her implausibly high media image would descend to farce. If anyone deserves to be held fully to account, it's the arch narcissist and camera chaser herself. It baffles me that there remain those in the public and media who think she acted throughout with the best interests of the general populace at heart. There was one thing at the centre of her decision making - Nicola Sturgeon and her carefully crafted media image as the kind, caring & benevolent Chief Mammy.
Roderick Spode said:
It would be quite the coup if Meta decided to forego it's policies on WhatsApp message access, and suddenly discovered all these 'deleted' messages resting on their servers, and handed the lot over to the enquiry in the spirit of full public disclosure. I reckon wee Teflon Nippy's arse would immediately collapse, and her implausibly high media image would descend to farce. If anyone deserves to be held fully to account, it's the arch narcissist and camera chaser herself. It baffles me that there remain those in the public and media who think she acted throughout with the best interests of the general populace at heart. There was one thing at the centre of her decision making - Nicola Sturgeon and her carefully crafted media image as the kind, caring & benevolent Chief Mammy.
Quite… 
It just feels like they keep out of reach of real legal ramifications doesnt it;
I mean what happened to the Liberty scandal where they pumped money into Fort William without due diligence and personal connections
The deal they were sidling up to with China
The overstepping of political boundaries with Turkey
Deleting messages and keeping key information hidden
Financial irregularities that havent gone away
The whole ferries deal which on the face of it - never seemed to turn up the truth
Lets be honest - this isnt just the SNP either, across the political spectrum these days there is no real consequence to talk of.
NHS waiting times increase, in real terms that means people do die. Same with the mental health investment, people die and their lives are forever affected by this shower of ejits.
I cant help but wonder if consequence needs tied so much more firmly to action in the political world. I know its pie in the sky but what point does anyone actually take responsibility for the mess they leave behind.
Create a scandal? Resign - but I bet you keep your pensions and some benefits.....
Its like the whole independance thing, Nicolas sole aim was to get it over the line then run away as fast as possible - there is no way in hell she would of taken the fall for what happened next. None of them do.
I mean what happened to the Liberty scandal where they pumped money into Fort William without due diligence and personal connections
The deal they were sidling up to with China
The overstepping of political boundaries with Turkey
Deleting messages and keeping key information hidden
Financial irregularities that havent gone away
The whole ferries deal which on the face of it - never seemed to turn up the truth
Lets be honest - this isnt just the SNP either, across the political spectrum these days there is no real consequence to talk of.
NHS waiting times increase, in real terms that means people do die. Same with the mental health investment, people die and their lives are forever affected by this shower of ejits.
I cant help but wonder if consequence needs tied so much more firmly to action in the political world. I know its pie in the sky but what point does anyone actually take responsibility for the mess they leave behind.
Create a scandal? Resign - but I bet you keep your pensions and some benefits.....
Its like the whole independance thing, Nicolas sole aim was to get it over the line then run away as fast as possible - there is no way in hell she would of taken the fall for what happened next. None of them do.
A new low! The SNP, during the pandemic discussed using Covid as part of the Indy argument.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24065573.disgu...
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24065573.disgu...
irc said:
A new low! The SNP, during the pandemic discussed using Covid as part of the Indy argument.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24065573.disgu...
Some interesting evidence to the inquiry from Gregor Smith today. Suspect the BBC coverage has abbreviated it quite a bit, but not had a chance to watch the video of his actual appearance.https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24065573.disgu...
BBC Article said:
Elimination of the virus was not a viable option - Sir Gregor
The questioning turns to the possibility of achieving "zero Covid".
Sir Gregor says "elimination" was used colloquially rather than scientifically and that zero Covid was never a formal policy in Scotland.
"I didn't think elimination of the virus was a viable option, " he says, but adds keeping the levels as low as possible was desirable.
He adds it would have been almost impossible for Scotland to achieve that by itself.
Did Sturgeon not use claims of elimination to justify continually extending restrictions when they were being eased elsewhere?The questioning turns to the possibility of achieving "zero Covid".
Sir Gregor says "elimination" was used colloquially rather than scientifically and that zero Covid was never a formal policy in Scotland.
"I didn't think elimination of the virus was a viable option, " he says, but adds keeping the levels as low as possible was desirable.
He adds it would have been almost impossible for Scotland to achieve that by itself.
BBC article said:
Mr Dawson shows an advice paper issued in September by Sir Gregor, the national clinical director Jason Leitch and the chief nursing officer.
The consensus of the three parties in the document was that a "firebreak" lockdown would be required during the school holidays starting 12 October 2020.
Scotland introduced the tiers/levels/whatever bullsThe consensus of the three parties in the document was that a "firebreak" lockdown would be required during the school holidays starting 12 October 2020.
t term was used system around then and didn’t follow England into the second full lockdown. Is this a rare example of Sturgeon not being as draconian as her advisers wanted, possibly because it would mean admitting the levels nonsense didn’t work? If anyone can clarify the timeline, please do.Source article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-680290...
In other news. seems the virtue signalling budget is spent. The SNP govt decline to fund a new £5m museum for Scotland's part in the slave trade.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24065753.snp-m...
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24065753.snp-m...
No contest to the UK Government’s costs claim in the gender recognition court case https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68059197 I suppose we should be grateful that they’re not throwing further good money after bad
Another SNP failure. Lawyers boycot no jury trials.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24067513.juryl...
Typical SNP. Pressure group complains - change the rules to suit them. Yes too many rapists get off. As do too many murderers and too many housebreakers. Letting some of the guilty get off is the price for reducing the number of the innocent that get convicted. See the post office scandal.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24067513.juryl...
Typical SNP. Pressure group complains - change the rules to suit them. Yes too many rapists get off. As do too many murderers and too many housebreakers. Letting some of the guilty get off is the price for reducing the number of the innocent that get convicted. See the post office scandal.
In other news... councils are preparing to defy Humza's council tax freeze.
Councils pondering hiking council tax despite SNP's freeze.
In the Birmingham Transport thread I posted that Glasgow City Council are considering declaring themselves bankrupt. It might just be brinksmanship/politicking, but I have already heard through internal channels that there is an indefinite freeze on recruitment of staff and that bin collections in some areas did not happen these past few days because contractors were warned they might not get paid.
Councils pondering hiking council tax despite SNP's freeze.
In the Birmingham Transport thread I posted that Glasgow City Council are considering declaring themselves bankrupt. It might just be brinksmanship/politicking, but I have already heard through internal channels that there is an indefinite freeze on recruitment of staff and that bin collections in some areas did not happen these past few days because contractors were warned they might not get paid.
Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 23 January 10:26
If you want a laugh, watch the video of the Covid Inquiry from around 11:00 as Leitch gets himself tied up in knots about some advice to Yousaf around circumventing mask rules at social events.
Counsel to the inquiry comments that they got the transcript from Yousaf because Leitch had deleted it. I wonder how much of the information that’s been picked over so far came from him.
Edit: it’s Counsel!! Bit late given it’s been quoted but never mind
Counsel to the inquiry comments that they got the transcript from Yousaf because Leitch had deleted it. I wonder how much of the information that’s been picked over so far came from him.
Edit: it’s Counsel!! Bit late given it’s been quoted but never mind
Edited by alangla on Tuesday 23 January 12:27
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