Mark Menzies MP campaign funds
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/politics-is-a-m...
Good article from Matthew Parris on why so many MPs are caught doing stupid things, including an interesting statistic: The number of MPs who have lost their party whip now exceeds the total Lib Dem parliamentary party.
Good article from Matthew Parris on why so many MPs are caught doing stupid things, including an interesting statistic: The number of MPs who have lost their party whip now exceeds the total Lib Dem parliamentary party.
dukeboy749r said:
MPs and prominent public figures have, throughout history, been 'caught out' doing things they should not have been doing or gaining notoriety for some action or words.
However, the complete lack of moral backbone (i.e. to resign when you are faced with this sort of action becoming public - or heaven forbid, being honest in the face of being caught) is staggering.
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k me, but the UK is rapidly becoming a mirror for behaviours I would have previously attributed to certain South American, African or Asian countries (not all, of course, but some).
Another viewpoint is that an MP's (or any public figures) lifestyle can be put under the microscope for any evidence of wrongdoing, whether it happened recently or in the distant past.However, the complete lack of moral backbone (i.e. to resign when you are faced with this sort of action becoming public - or heaven forbid, being honest in the face of being caught) is staggering.
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k me, but the UK is rapidly becoming a mirror for behaviours I would have previously attributed to certain South American, African or Asian countries (not all, of course, but some).Investigation can be initiated for a variety of reasons - personal grudges, someone looking to profit financially or career-wise should anything salacious be uncovered, tabloid journalists digging around for dirt...
95%+ of adults will have done at least one of the following at some pojnt in their life: smoked weed, sniffed coke, had an affair, nicked something, used a phone while driving, posted something online years ago they wouldn't dream of writing now, had too much to drink and fell over in the street, parked on a double yellow because they were just nipping into a shop, put the bin out in t-shirt & pants, done 80+ on the motorway etc.
The vast majority of people don't get "'caught out doing things they should not have been doing" as you put it, but if an MP does or did any of the above (no matter how long ago) & there is photo or other evidence, it makes national headlines which is frankly ludicrous.
If someone I employ is good at their job & I was shown a photo of them sniffing a line of gear back in 2015, are you really suggesting that they should resign? If not, why should MPs be any different?
Major accusations such as assault, fraud, sexual offences etc are different kettle of fish & should be dealt with accordingly.
If an MP does a good job, but cheats on their partner or has a spliff over the weekend - strictly they shouldn't have been doing it, but its absolutely none of my or anyone else's business and certainly nothing to resign over.
Out of curiosity, what "behaviours" do you attribute to certain South American, African or Asian countries?
OzzyR1 said:
95%+ of adults will have done at least one of the following at some pojnt in their life: smoked weed, sniffed coke, had an affair, nicked something, used a phone while driving, posted something online years ago they wouldn't dream of writing now, had too much to drink and fell over in the street, parked on a double yellow because they were just nipping into a shop, put the bin out in t-shirt & pants, done 80+ on the motorway etc.
The vast majority of people don't get "'caught out doing things they should not have been doing" as you put it, but if an MP does or did any of the above (no matter how long ago) & there is photo or other evidence, it makes national headlines which is frankly ludicrous.
If someone I employ is good at their job & I was shown a photo of them sniffing a line of gear back in 2015, are you really suggesting that they should resign? If not, why should MPs be any different?
Major accusations such as assault, fraud, sexual offences etc are different kettle of fish & should be dealt with accordingly.
If an MP does a good job, but cheats on their partner or has a spliff over the weekend - strictly they shouldn't have been doing it, but its absolutely none of my or anyone else's business and certainly nothing to resign over.
Out of curiosity, what "behaviours" do you attribute to certain South American, African or Asian countries?
Use of illegal drugs when representing a party that has victorian anti-science attitudes toward recreational drug use is rank hypocrisy. The vast majority of people don't get "'caught out doing things they should not have been doing" as you put it, but if an MP does or did any of the above (no matter how long ago) & there is photo or other evidence, it makes national headlines which is frankly ludicrous.
If someone I employ is good at their job & I was shown a photo of them sniffing a line of gear back in 2015, are you really suggesting that they should resign? If not, why should MPs be any different?
Major accusations such as assault, fraud, sexual offences etc are different kettle of fish & should be dealt with accordingly.
If an MP does a good job, but cheats on their partner or has a spliff over the weekend - strictly they shouldn't have been doing it, but its absolutely none of my or anyone else's business and certainly nothing to resign over.
Out of curiosity, what "behaviours" do you attribute to certain South American, African or Asian countries?
hidetheelephants said:
OzzyR1 said:
95%+ of adults will have done at least one of the following at some pojnt in their life: smoked weed, sniffed coke, had an affair, nicked something, used a phone while driving, posted something online years ago they wouldn't dream of writing now, had too much to drink and fell over in the street, parked on a double yellow because they were just nipping into a shop, put the bin out in t-shirt & pants, done 80+ on the motorway etc.
The vast majority of people don't get "'caught out doing things they should not have been doing" as you put it, but if an MP does or did any of the above (no matter how long ago) & there is photo or other evidence, it makes national headlines which is frankly ludicrous.
If someone I employ is good at their job & I was shown a photo of them sniffing a line of gear back in 2015, are you really suggesting that they should resign? If not, why should MPs be any different?
Major accusations such as assault, fraud, sexual offences etc are different kettle of fish & should be dealt with accordingly.
If an MP does a good job, but cheats on their partner or has a spliff over the weekend - strictly they shouldn't have been doing it, but its absolutely none of my or anyone else's business and certainly nothing to resign over.
Out of curiosity, what "behaviours" do you attribute to certain South American, African or Asian countries?
Use of illegal drugs when representing a party that has victorian anti-science attitudes toward recreational drug use is rank hypocrisy. The vast majority of people don't get "'caught out doing things they should not have been doing" as you put it, but if an MP does or did any of the above (no matter how long ago) & there is photo or other evidence, it makes national headlines which is frankly ludicrous.
If someone I employ is good at their job & I was shown a photo of them sniffing a line of gear back in 2015, are you really suggesting that they should resign? If not, why should MPs be any different?
Major accusations such as assault, fraud, sexual offences etc are different kettle of fish & should be dealt with accordingly.
If an MP does a good job, but cheats on their partner or has a spliff over the weekend - strictly they shouldn't have been doing it, but its absolutely none of my or anyone else's business and certainly nothing to resign over.
Out of curiosity, what "behaviours" do you attribute to certain South American, African or Asian countries?
We will see if Labour go further and fully legalise, but from my knowledge of Starmer's stance you'd be better off if the Torys get back in.
Personally, I'd legalise the the whole lot including Class A.
Say your preferred vice is cocaine, it makes sense to be able to buy it from a shop & get a product that has been manufactured & tested, rather than getting it from some random & no idea of what it's been bashed up with.
Probably bring in a fair bit of tax & reduce street dealers too but would cause such a fuss that I can't see any Govt doing it.
OzzyR1 said:
Not sure what you mean by "victorian anti-science values" but the legalisation of cannabis for medical use was passed by the conservative government in 2018.
Yet it's difficult to get a prescription even for derivatives such as those used to treat epilepsy, the govt are in thrall to tabloid newspapers. The law being written to please the editors of the hysterical press is anti-science.OzzyR1 said:
dukeboy749r said:
MPs and prominent public figures have, throughout history, been 'caught out' doing things they should not have been doing or gaining notoriety for some action or words.
However, the complete lack of moral backbone (i.e. to resign when you are faced with this sort of action becoming public - or heaven forbid, being honest in the face of being caught) is staggering.
fk me, but the UK is rapidly becoming a mirror for behaviours I would have previously attributed to certain South American, African or Asian countries (not all, of course, but some).
Another viewpoint is that an MP's (or any public figures) lifestyle can be put under the microscope for any evidence of wrongdoing, whether it happened recently or in the distant past.However, the complete lack of moral backbone (i.e. to resign when you are faced with this sort of action becoming public - or heaven forbid, being honest in the face of being caught) is staggering.
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k me, but the UK is rapidly becoming a mirror for behaviours I would have previously attributed to certain South American, African or Asian countries (not all, of course, but some).Investigation can be initiated for a variety of reasons - personal grudges, someone looking to profit financially or career-wise should anything salacious be uncovered, tabloid journalists digging around for dirt...
95%+ of adults will have done at least one of the following at some pojnt in their life: smoked weed, sniffed coke, had an affair, nicked something, used a phone while driving, posted something online years ago they wouldn't dream of writing now, had too much to drink and fell over in the street, parked on a double yellow because they were just nipping into a shop, put the bin out in t-shirt & pants, done 80+ on the motorway etc.
The vast majority of people don't get "'caught out doing things they should not have been doing" as you put it, but if an MP does or did any of the above (no matter how long ago) & there is photo or other evidence, it makes national headlines which is frankly ludicrous.
If someone I employ is good at their job & I was shown a photo of them sniffing a line of gear back in 2015, are you really suggesting that they should resign? If not, why should MPs be any different?
Major accusations such as assault, fraud, sexual offences etc are different kettle of fish & should be dealt with accordingly.
If an MP does a good job, but cheats on their partner or has a spliff over the weekend - strictly they shouldn't have been doing it, but its absolutely none of my or anyone else's business and certainly nothing to resign over.
Out of curiosity, what "behaviours" do you attribute to certain South American, African or Asian countries?
However, whilst I actually agree with your sentiment, he’s been caught out for doing currently and it re-ignited the historical debate about a previous male friend of his.
If you cannot equate that to his lack of moral backbone, have at it.
Are you really suggesting that public figures in certain countries in the continents I’ve mentioned, have never caused you to either use their term ‘banana republic’ or thought ‘that should be a resignation event, if it were in this country?’
If not, then I cannot help you.
Mr Penguin said:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-mp-mark-me...
Another MP upto no good. Why are cases like this always referred to the party who have an interest in brushing it under the carpet rather than the police? The claim seems like quite a straightforward accusation of fraud so definitely within the police area.
Ah yes, this is because there is a fairly usual "rule".. If one is a milionaire businessperson/politician, then "forgetting about 20m in a spare bank account" is just a simple error. However if one if "poor" then that £5 cash in hand job is a crime.Another MP upto no good. Why are cases like this always referred to the party who have an interest in brushing it under the carpet rather than the police? The claim seems like quite a straightforward accusation of fraud so definitely within the police area.
OzzyR1 said:
dukeboy749r said:
MPs and prominent public figures have, throughout history, been 'caught out' doing things they should not have been doing or gaining notoriety for some action or words.
However, the complete lack of moral backbone (i.e. to resign when you are faced with this sort of action becoming public - or heaven forbid, being honest in the face of being caught) is staggering.
fk me, but the UK is rapidly becoming a mirror for behaviours I would have previously attributed to certain South American, African or Asian countries (not all, of course, but some).
Another viewpoint is that an MP's (or any public figures) lifestyle can be put under the microscope for any evidence of wrongdoing, whether it happened recently or in the distant past.However, the complete lack of moral backbone (i.e. to resign when you are faced with this sort of action becoming public - or heaven forbid, being honest in the face of being caught) is staggering.
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k me, but the UK is rapidly becoming a mirror for behaviours I would have previously attributed to certain South American, African or Asian countries (not all, of course, but some).Investigation can be initiated for a variety of reasons - personal grudges, someone looking to profit financially or career-wise should anything salacious be uncovered, tabloid journalists digging around for dirt...
95%+ of adults will have done at least one of the following at some pojnt in their life: smoked weed, sniffed coke, had an affair, nicked something, used a phone while driving, posted something online years ago they wouldn't dream of writing now, had too much to drink and fell over in the street, parked on a double yellow because they were just nipping into a shop, put the bin out in t-shirt & pants, done 80+ on the motorway etc.
The vast majority of people don't get "'caught out doing things they should not have been doing" as you put it, but if an MP does or did any of the above (no matter how long ago) & there is photo or other evidence, it makes national headlines which is frankly ludicrous.
If someone I employ is good at their job & I was shown a photo of them sniffing a line of gear back in 2015, are you really suggesting that they should resign? If not, why should MPs be any different?
Major accusations such as assault, fraud, sexual offences etc are different kettle of fish & should be dealt with accordingly.
If an MP does a good job, but cheats on their partner or has a spliff over the weekend - strictly they shouldn't have been doing it, but its absolutely none of my or anyone else's business and certainly nothing to resign over.
Out of curiosity, what "behaviours" do you attribute to certain South American, African or Asian countries?
A police officer cannot act in a way which limits his or her ability to act impartially or acts in a way that gives that impression to a member of the public, then they can be disciplined.
As for historical misdemeanors; all they have to do is admit their previous behaviour(s). They are then no longer vulnerable.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: There's a term gets used quite often in aerospace which is "normalisation of deviance".
Politics has gone the same way under this lot.
Previously this would have been a scandal but after Johnson it's business as usual for the Conservatives and "just another one".
Stewie, I posted similar many moons ago. Boris gift to UK politics has been the normalisation of Politics has gone the same way under this lot.
Previously this would have been a scandal but after Johnson it's business as usual for the Conservatives and "just another one".
ery. 'I am much happier and less stressed now I have accepted politicians walk amongst us, they are a fact of life, some of them are OK and the ones that aren't have morphed into such obvious caricatures that they have lost the insidiousness of the old guard. They were the ones to worry about. Johnson normalised
behaviour thus validating obvious ery, which, fittingly, is his one gift and lasting legacy for the country. These s are more obvious than ever and that very sore thumbness makes engaging with them ever more of a personal choice. We no longer lose minutes, hours, even months and years before realising someone is a . It is now acceptable and therfore as plain as the nose on their face. Thanks Boris!!' Chrisgr31 said:
My view on MPs pay is that they should get what they got before they were an MP - unless they were a political advisor. If they were a political advisor they don’t get paid at all.
Why does a politician who was once a political advisor need a political advisor I wonder? And once someone becomes a politician, I wonder how many suddenly feel the need to consult friends or family on political matters, perhaps even elevating them to the position of political advisor and getting them on the teat, erm, payroll..? Scrimpton said:
Tory MP misdeeds are always so much more entertaining than Labour. Robbing a load of campaign cash to pay off a rent boy will never not be more interesting than evading a bit of capital gains tax. It's not quite at Milligan levels but I appreciate the effort to entertain us.
I think the Keith Vaz/ washing machine Jim event was 8/10 on the entertainment scale myselfFor me, these loyal, staunch Tories who regularly sacrifice themselves and their careers for litte reward and public humiliation simply because they must shield Rishi and hide the moral and ethical vacuum the Tory party has become should receive some kind of recognition. They are the small decoys that divert the heat seeking missiles away from the fighter bomber ploughing its way inevitably and inexorably towards its target. They are the equivalent of the weak, the old, the frail Wildebeest that the herd 'sacrifice ' to appease the Hyenas' thirst to disrupt. Whilst they may seem useless, washed up, spurious, they are grist to the political mill. They are the real heroes that enable Rishi to continue, without a watchful eye, without 24/7 scrutiny to do....well, nothing really. Except sit and create placatory aphorisms that have no meaning, no substance and will, like the snowflakes he despises, melt into a puddle of unsubstantiated, if intoxicating appeasement for the part of the party that only come out at night, under the cover of darkness, burying their noses in these puddles of appeasement, temporarily satiating their appalling appetite before howling at a full moon of their own creation and trotting back to their lairs, their appetites for destruction in temporary abeyance. These are the wolfs the likes of Menzies keeps from our collective doors and for that, we should salute their collective and incredibly selfless sacrifices....
anonymoususer said:
Scrimpton said:
Tory MP misdeeds are always so much more entertaining than Labour. Robbing a load of campaign cash to pay off a rent boy will never not be more interesting than evading a bit of capital gains tax. It's not quite at Milligan levels but I appreciate the effort to entertain us.
I think the Keith Vaz/ washing machine Jim event was 8/10 on the entertainment scale myselfOzzyR1 said:
Another viewpoint is that an MP's (or any public figures) lifestyle can be put under the microscope for any evidence of wrongdoing, whether it happened recently or in the distant past.
Investigation can be initiated for a variety of reasons - personal grudges, someone looking to profit financially or career-wise should anything salacious be uncovered, tabloid journalists digging around for dirt...
95%+ of adults will have done at least one of the following at some pojnt in their life: smoked weed, sniffed coke, had an affair, nicked something, used a phone while driving, posted something online years ago they wouldn't dream of writing now, had too much to drink and fell over in the street, parked on a double yellow because they were just nipping into a shop, put the bin out in t-shirt & pants, done 80+ on the motorway etc.
The vast majority of people don't get "'caught out doing things they should not have been doing" as you put it, but if an MP does or did any of the above (no matter how long ago) & there is photo or other evidence, it makes national headlines which is frankly ludicrous.
If someone I employ is good at their job & I was shown a photo of them sniffing a line of gear back in 2015, are you really suggesting that they should resign? If not, why should MPs be any different?
Major accusations such as assault, fraud, sexual offences etc are different kettle of fish & should be dealt with accordingly.
If an MP does a good job, but cheats on their partner or has a spliff over the weekend - strictly they shouldn't have been doing it, but its absolutely none of my or anyone else's business and certainly nothing to resign over.
Out of curiosity, what "behaviours" do you attribute to certain South American, African or Asian countries?
MPs are different when it comes to illegal matters since they are part of the legislature.Investigation can be initiated for a variety of reasons - personal grudges, someone looking to profit financially or career-wise should anything salacious be uncovered, tabloid journalists digging around for dirt...
95%+ of adults will have done at least one of the following at some pojnt in their life: smoked weed, sniffed coke, had an affair, nicked something, used a phone while driving, posted something online years ago they wouldn't dream of writing now, had too much to drink and fell over in the street, parked on a double yellow because they were just nipping into a shop, put the bin out in t-shirt & pants, done 80+ on the motorway etc.
The vast majority of people don't get "'caught out doing things they should not have been doing" as you put it, but if an MP does or did any of the above (no matter how long ago) & there is photo or other evidence, it makes national headlines which is frankly ludicrous.
If someone I employ is good at their job & I was shown a photo of them sniffing a line of gear back in 2015, are you really suggesting that they should resign? If not, why should MPs be any different?
Major accusations such as assault, fraud, sexual offences etc are different kettle of fish & should be dealt with accordingly.
If an MP does a good job, but cheats on their partner or has a spliff over the weekend - strictly they shouldn't have been doing it, but its absolutely none of my or anyone else's business and certainly nothing to resign over.
Out of curiosity, what "behaviours" do you attribute to certain South American, African or Asian countries?
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