Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 5

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Acorn1 said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

hidetheelephants said:

A collapsed Ukraine is a existential threat to a large portion of NATO, so unless he's written a letter quitting NATO the USA does have strategic interest in it.

Yup. The last two massive wars in Europe America got sucked in, three if you include the cold war.

So yeah, America might not find it as easy to walk away leaving Europe vulnerable to Russia as Trump thinks.

I think that's the whole point of it.

Trump may yet be the master strategist

Well, he hardly proved that with the disastrous 'deal' Trump made with the Taliban in Feb 2020, resulting the chaotic set of restrictions he left for the next administration to execute a withdraw from Afghanistan.

[hidetheelephants]

Acorn1 said:

Russia agrees to a ceasefire under certain conditions

So not agreeing to an unconditional ceasefire then; kick that ball into the long grass, Volodya.

[airbusA346]

[bmwmike]

Putins idea of long lasting peace and trumps idea of peace and sane peoples idea of long lasting peace are polar opposites.

[swisstoni]

Trump doesn’t seem to be blessed with an abundance of patience at the best of times.
So it will be very interesting to see how he reacts to Putin seeming to drag his heels even in the agreement to a ceasefire.

He could have steam coming out of his ears if the peace talks drag on for weeks. Trump originally boasted he could get this all sorted in a few days.

Edited by swisstoni on Thursday 13th March 20:09

[Cheib]

I totally understand why Zelensky said that but I think he should have kept quiet.

Now the next time the American’s speak to him they can say his comments “weren’t helpful”….if he hadn’t said that the conversation would have been a more straightforward “Putin won’t agree because of XYZ” and Zelensky could have pushed back and said “We gave you what you asked for….please go ahead and impose the sanctions Trump talked about two days ago”

[thatsprettyshady]

airbusA346 said:

This guy in an idiot, he'll be gone soon - maybe that's why he doesn't want peace?

[swisstoni]

thatsprettyshady said:

airbusA346 said:

This guy in an idiot, he'll be gone soon - maybe that's why he doesn't want peace?

At least he’s agreed to a ceasefire. Unlike some.

[airbusA346]

thatsprettyshady said:

This guy in an idiot, he'll be gone soon - maybe that's why he doesn't want peace?

Oh look, more bullst from you.

[airbusA346]

[cliffords]

I agree he should be silent right now , everything he says will be used against him.
He is about to be forced to agree to some if not all of Putin/Trump conditions, he will just be forced to agree or help is off the table again.
He is a lost man walking , and a dead man I fear .

It gives me no pleasure to believe this , I have high regard for him and his very very brave country.

[suthol]

TameRacingDriver said:

Killer2005 said:

BrettMRC said:

The Kremlin is saying Putin has/is visiting the Kursk region...but to my eyes this looks like a fake Vlad?

That's one of the doubles.

I don't even know why the news goes along with this, it's blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes it's not him.

The footage they played on the local news here in Oz showed a Putin that looked and walked a lot more like Putin than the one in that photo.

Maybe they use doubles in parallel with the real one.

Dunno, just my assumption

[raftom]

cliffords said:

I agree he should be silent right now , everything he says will be used against him.

If he's silent it will be used against him. It doesn't matter what he does. Trump wants to delivery him to Putin in a plate, it's just the matter of getting the right pretence for their twisted idea of optics.

thatsprettyshady said:

This guy in an idiot, he'll be gone soon - maybe that's why he doesn't want peace?

He is just sad at the hundreds of millions of 18-50 year-old Ukrainian males killed in the war.

[airbusA346]

cliffords said:

I agree he should be silent right now , everything he says will be used against him.
He is about to be forced to agree to some if not all of Putin/Trump conditions, he will just be forced to agree or help is off the table again.
He is a lost man walking , and a dead man I fear .

It gives me no pleasure to believe this , I have high regard for him and his very very brave country.

He wouldn't have had to say any of that, if Trump/the Americans had realised Putin is playing him/them.

[ben5575]

swisstoni said:

Trump doesn’t seem to be blessed with an abundance of patience at the best of times.
So it will be very interesting to see how he reacts to Putin seeming to drag his heels even in the agreement to a ceasefire.

He could have steam coming out of his ears if the peace talks drag on for weeks. Trump originally boasted he could get this all sorted in a few days.

Ha, when was the last time you heard a leader boasting about how they could get something all sorted in a few days I expect the irony is lost on them.

[airbusA346]

[Murph7355]

airbusA346 said:

He wouldn't have had to say any of that, if Trump/the Americans had realised Putin is playing him/them.

There would still be opportunities to say it later. What Putin is prepared to agree to, and how far Trump is prepared to throw VZ under the bus is still in play.

Just keep quiet until all cards are on the table. Then make your statement.

[Acorn1]

Dialogue is at least open, that’s got to be a good thing, no?

[Murph7355]

Acorn1 said:

Dialogue is at least open, that’s got to be a good thing, no?

If it's like VZ's visit to the Whitehouse, very debatable.

Properly constructive dialogue is. Bein stitched up isn't.

If Trump as a master plan for the former and pulls it off, that will be surprising but great.

More likely is him acquiescing to what Putin wants.

The world will see soon enough I guess.

[Acorn1]

I guess we”ll find out, a ways to go yet.