Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 5
Discussion
Sway said:
That's the missile, not the warheads. There's no gamechanger in manoeuvring up there, as it doesn't materially change interceptability.
The warheads, the bit you really want to be able to shift, dodge and confuse, are too small and moving too fast in a thick atmosphere surrounded by plasma for them to have any meaningful delta v capability with our current means of propulsion.
But we've had manoeuvrable warheads for decades? Pershing II for example.The warheads, the bit you really want to be able to shift, dodge and confuse, are too small and moving too fast in a thick atmosphere surrounded by plasma for them to have any meaningful delta v capability with our current means of propulsion.
hairykrishna said:
Sway said:
That's the missile, not the warheads. There's no gamechanger in manoeuvring up there, as it doesn't materially change interceptability.
The warheads, the bit you really want to be able to shift, dodge and confuse, are too small and moving too fast in a thick atmosphere surrounded by plasma for them to have any meaningful delta v capability with our current means of propulsion.
But we've had manoeuvrable warheads for decades? Pershing II for example.The warheads, the bit you really want to be able to shift, dodge and confuse, are too small and moving too fast in a thick atmosphere surrounded by plasma for them to have any meaningful delta v capability with our current means of propulsion.
What we're talking about is the concept of true MIRV, which actively evade and target at hypersonic speeds. Not pre-programmed jinks at given points of re-entry, which was good enough for early ABM countermeasures (but still poorer than just having more warheads splitting out from the initial booster stages) but useless against modern ones.
Zelensky responds to lowering the age of conscription. Tldr, there's not enough weapons.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/43097
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/43097
pingu393 said:
The rebels are ripping through Syria.
Putin will have to either evacuate his troops and let Assad fall, or send more troops and dilute his Ukraine offensive.
The problems of being a dictator amongst dictators. The spinning plates are starting to wobble on their sticks.
Trouble is, as bad as Assad is, I'm not convinced the other side are better.Putin will have to either evacuate his troops and let Assad fall, or send more troops and dilute his Ukraine offensive.
The problems of being a dictator amongst dictators. The spinning plates are starting to wobble on their sticks.
Either way, sucks to be an Ally of Putin.
BikeBikeBIke said:
pingu393 said:
The rebels are ripping through Syria.
Putin will have to either evacuate his troops and let Assad fall, or send more troops and dilute his Ukraine offensive.
The problems of being a dictator amongst dictators. The spinning plates are starting to wobble on their sticks.
Trouble is, as bad as Assad is, I'm not convinced the other side are better.Putin will have to either evacuate his troops and let Assad fall, or send more troops and dilute his Ukraine offensive.
The problems of being a dictator amongst dictators. The spinning plates are starting to wobble on their sticks.
Either way, sucks to be an Ally of Putin.
What makes it more awkward is Turkey are backing the rebel fighters.
fourstardan said:
Who was holding back the rebels in syria?
I'm not convinced the timing is not linked.
Have the west let it happen to drain every ounce of putins energy?
Or has putin pushed it to get more money from assad.
Assad's government forces, backed by Russia, Iran and Hezbollah.I'm not convinced the timing is not linked.
Have the west let it happen to drain every ounce of putins energy?
Or has putin pushed it to get more money from assad.
Digga said:
Yes, it’s going largely unnoticed in the media, given the magnitude of both the Ukraine and the present UK government’s clusterf
kery, but the situation in Syria seems more dynamic. There are allegations the rebels are being funnelled from Turkey, which in and of itself if probably unsurprising.
It's a slightly ironic quirk of fate that the nasty country we don't like (Russia) has got distracted from being able to help out their ally (another nasty dictator we don't like, Assad) and that has resulted in the latter now coming under serious pressure from a bunch we really don't like (Isis and affiliates) who are...supported by one of our most important Nato allies (Turkey).....kery, but the situation in Syria seems more dynamic. There are allegations the rebels are being funnelled from Turkey, which in and of itself if probably unsurprising.isaldiri said:
Digga said:
Yes, it’s going largely unnoticed in the media, given the magnitude of both the Ukraine and the present UK government’s clusterfkery, but the situation in Syria seems more dynamic. There are allegations the rebels are being funnelled from Turkey, which in and of itself if probably unsurprising.
It's a slightly ironic quirk of fate that the nasty country we don't like (Russia) has got distracted from being able to help out their ally (another nasty dictator we don't like, Assad) and that has resulted in the latter now coming under serious pressure from a bunch we really don't like (Isis and affiliates) who are...supported by one of our most important Nato allies (Turkey).....kery, but the situation in Syria seems more dynamic. There are allegations the rebels are being funnelled from Turkey, which in and of itself if probably unsurprising.BikeBikeBIke said:
Trouble is, as bad as Assad is, I'm not convinced the other side are better.
Either way, sucks to be an Ally of Putin.
The potential demise of Assad has shades of Hussein and Gaddafi about it. The potential for unintended consequences is high.Either way, sucks to be an Ally of Putin.
isaldiri said:
Digga said:
Yes, it’s going largely unnoticed in the media, given the magnitude of both the Ukraine and the present UK government’s clusterfkery, but the situation in Syria seems more dynamic. There are allegations the rebels are being funnelled from Turkey, which in and of itself if probably unsurprising.
It's a slightly ironic quirk of fate that the nasty country we don't like (Russia) has got distracted from being able to help out their ally (another nasty dictator we don't like, Assad) and that has resulted in the latter now coming under serious pressure from a bunch we really don't like (Isis and affiliates) who are...supported by one of our most important Nato allies (Turkey).....kery, but the situation in Syria seems more dynamic. There are allegations the rebels are being funnelled from Turkey, which in and of itself if probably unsurprising.From what I have read today about the fact that Assad’s main backers are Iran, Russia and Hezbollah you can see what now if a good time to strike. Will be very interesting to see how things develop. I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin isn’t talking Assad’s calls.
isaldiri said:
Digga said:
Yes, it’s going largely unnoticed in the media, given the magnitude of both the Ukraine and the present UK government’s clusterfkery, but the situation in Syria seems more dynamic. There are allegations the rebels are being funnelled from Turkey, which in and of itself if probably unsurprising.
It's a slightly ironic quirk of fate that the nasty country we don't like (Russia) has got distracted from being able to help out their ally (another nasty dictator we don't like, Assad) and that has resulted in the latter now coming under serious pressure from a bunch we really don't like (Isis and affiliates) who are...supported by one of our most important Nato allies (Turkey).....kery, but the situation in Syria seems more dynamic. There are allegations the rebels are being funnelled from Turkey, which in and of itself if probably unsurprising.Complicated or what....
Hopefully Turkey won't want utter nutters on their border so maybe it will all be OK. Or maybe the logic is that Syria will now keep Iran busy.
isaldiri said:
It's a slightly ironic quirk of fate that the nasty country we don't like (Russia) has got distracted from being able to help out their ally (another nasty dictator we don't like, Assad) and that has resulted in the latter now coming under serious pressure from a bunch we really don't like (Isis and affiliates) who are...supported by one of our most important Nato allies (Turkey).....
Turkey supports ISIS? borcy said:
Just what the world needs Another Middle East country going down the s
tter and another humanitarian catastrophe. bristolracer said:
borcy said:
Just what the world needs Another Middle East country going down the s
tter and another humanitarian catastrophe. If the coup is successful then I imagine many will follow suit. Maybe even Belarus….
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