Sir Keir Starmer Prime Minister
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119 said:
Conservative co-chairman Nigel Huddleston dismissed the idea as "Keir Starmer’s 17th relaunch"
Ministers will aim to increase the proportion of four-year-olds and five year-year-olds who are fully ready to start school - socially as well as educationally - from 60% to 75%.
- Yeah right. So they are going to intervene in peoples homes to make them parent properly, or make it all the teachers’ problem.
Other policies, from housebuilding to hospital waiting lists, will become priorities, too, under the plans to be announced by the prime minister on Thursday.
- Were these not supposed to be priorities already? Angie is on a world tour, did she not get the memo? They have given huge pay rises to the nhs, was that not to reduce waiting lists, or for something else?
Clownworld.
He has an issue, people were used to the Tories messing everything up and having nothing but excuses and increasingly bizarre policy announcements (fining the homeless etc...) and he has just picked up where they left off, first order of business was to nick the gas money from old people (whilst getting other people to buy his clothes) followed up by a £40 billion tax raid and of course the sackings, gaffs and corruption never stopped as that was a baton passed seamlessly between both governments.
So 5 months on we have nothing to show for our decision apart from some cold pensioners and a £40 billion hole in our nations businesses (guess who will pick that tab up) with no visible plan and no action to tackle anything.
The shiny new Starmer Tracker should keep a running total of how much £tax is being paid to ministers on expenses for heating their modest homes. BBC coverage of MoS.
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M1AGM said:
119 said:
Conservative co-chairman Nigel Huddleston dismissed the idea as "Keir Starmer’s 17th relaunch"Ministers will aim to increase the proportion of four-year-olds and five year-year-olds who are fully ready to start school - socially as well as educationally - from 60% to 75%.
- Yeah right. So they are going to intervene in peoples homes to make them parent properly, or make it all the teachers’ problem.
Other policies, from housebuilding to hospital waiting lists, will become priorities, too, under the plans to be announced by the prime minister on Thursday.
- Were these not supposed to be priorities already? Angie is on a world tour, did she not get the memo? They have given huge pay rises to the nhs, was that not to reduce waiting lists, or for something else?
Clownworld.
I am so, so sick of hearing bulls
t about plans and initiatives from people who I would not trust to deliver the parish magazine. Government has become dangerously ineffective and clueless.Digga said:
I’m not letting the 14 years of previous governments off the hook here, lack of actual achievement in their government was abominable, but the present shower are presiding over a economy diving rapidly into crisis mode but don’t even seem to know it.
I am so, so sick of hearing bullst about plans and initiatives from people who I would not trust to deliver the parish magazine. Government has become dangerously ineffective and clueless.
Problem that Starmer faces, actually the country faces is the wider realisation that the gig is up.I am so, so sick of hearing bulls
t about plans and initiatives from people who I would not trust to deliver the parish magazine. Government has become dangerously ineffective and clueless.People were brassed off with the Conservatives failing to deliver on their promises for whatever reasons valid or otherwise, then sleaze, looking after your mates, and then coming up with initiatives which seemed nonsensical grasping at straws which again could be seen to be difficult to deliver, undeliverable or even in the 'so what is that the best you can come up with' category and some not even desirable.
Trouble Labour and Starmer has got that only five months in the present Government has nailed all of the above, all of them, in spades, doubled and redoubled.
They're both toast unless there is a radical shift by one or both of them.
Next problem, who will replace, as it's needed and there is the space for it.
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t scared it's Farage, personally, but only one voice / vote here.Nothing further to say, sadly.
Rufus Stone said:
119 said:
I'm looking forward to what he has to say and how it will be implemented. No doubt the negativity within PH will continue regardless though.We are 5 months into a 5 year term and have yet to achieve anything positive.
Mr Penguin said:
768 said:
He's the next in line for it couldn't be any worse.
Our political system has some deep-seated issues, key of which is that it seems incapable of improving itself.
Unwilling would be a better term IMOOur political system has some deep-seated issues, key of which is that it seems incapable of improving itself.
We need a completely different breed of people in government if there is to be any kind of improvement.
monkfish1 said:
Not sure if thats the right term. The "set up" as it were, is such that it attracts a certain type of person. Those people are never going to sort things out, because they are incapable and even if they were, have absolutely no interest in doing so as we have seen over the last decade.
We need a completely different breed of people in government if there is to be any kind of improvement.
Highly unlikely you will get them given the likely intrusion into your personal life, past and present.We need a completely different breed of people in government if there is to be any kind of improvement.
Rufus Stone said:
monkfish1 said:
Not sure if thats the right term. The "set up" as it were, is such that it attracts a certain type of person. Those people are never going to sort things out, because they are incapable and even if they were, have absolutely no interest in doing so as we have seen over the last decade.
We need a completely different breed of people in government if there is to be any kind of improvement.
Highly unlikely you will get them given the likely intrusion into your personal life, past and present.We need a completely different breed of people in government if there is to be any kind of improvement.
So the downward spiral continues........................
monkfish1 said:
Rufus Stone said:
monkfish1 said:
Not sure if thats the right term. The "set up" as it were, is such that it attracts a certain type of person. Those people are never going to sort things out, because they are incapable and even if they were, have absolutely no interest in doing so as we have seen over the last decade.
We need a completely different breed of people in government if there is to be any kind of improvement.
Highly unlikely you will get them given the likely intrusion into your personal life, past and present.We need a completely different breed of people in government if there is to be any kind of improvement.
So the downward spiral continues........................
The politicians would merely have control over how actual tax receipts are spent, which would minimise the damage.
One of Starmer's many weaknesses seems to be surrounding himself with spectacularly useless people. Look at his cabinet. One already caught embellishing her CV to claim she was an economist when she was working in a call center, another one convicted of misleading the police after she concocted a mugging to try and get a new phone. David Lammy. Ed Miliband is the closest to a big hitter.
These are silly people with nothing much to offer. I was no Blair fan but if you look at his cabinet with people Robin Cook, Jack Straw and Lord Irving around it was very different. They were forceful people with some principles and thoughts of their own. I get the impression Starmer just selects people who he can control easily.
These are silly people with nothing much to offer. I was no Blair fan but if you look at his cabinet with people Robin Cook, Jack Straw and Lord Irving around it was very different. They were forceful people with some principles and thoughts of their own. I get the impression Starmer just selects people who he can control easily.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
One of Starmer's many weaknesses seems to be surrounding himself with spectacularly useless people. Look at his cabinet. One already caught embellishing her CV to claim she was an economist when she was working in a call center, another one convicted of misleading the police after she concocted a mugging to try and get a new phone. David Lammy. Ed Miliband is the closest to a big hitter.
These are silly people with nothing much to offer. I was no Blair fan but if you look at his cabinet with people Robin Cook, Jack Straw and Lord Irving around it was very different. They were forceful people with some principles and thoughts of their own. I get the impression Starmer just selects people who he can control easily.
I would agree with this. Strong people who surround themselves with weak people never go far.These are silly people with nothing much to offer. I was no Blair fan but if you look at his cabinet with people Robin Cook, Jack Straw and Lord Irving around it was very different. They were forceful people with some principles and thoughts of their own. I get the impression Starmer just selects people who he can control easily.
(I am not saying whether or not Keir is a strong leader by this)
JuanCarlosFandango said:
One of Starmer's many weaknesses seems to be surrounding himself with spectacularly useless people. Look at his cabinet. One already caught embellishing her CV to claim she was an economist when she was working in a call center, another one convicted of misleading the police after she concocted a mugging to try and get a new phone. David Lammy. Ed Miliband is the closest to a big hitter.
These are silly people with nothing much to offer. I was no Blair fan but if you look at his cabinet with people Robin Cook, Jack Straw and Lord Irving around it was very different. They were forceful people with some principles and thoughts of their own. I get the impression Starmer just selects people who he can control easily.
This is what you get with sixth form politics. People utterly devoid of real world experience or gravitas. People with not a single clue about how the economy really functions. People who actually believe standing on a podium and saying "economic growth" is a job done.These are silly people with nothing much to offer. I was no Blair fan but if you look at his cabinet with people Robin Cook, Jack Straw and Lord Irving around it was very different. They were forceful people with some principles and thoughts of their own. I get the impression Starmer just selects people who he can control easily.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
One of Starmer's many weaknesses seems to be surrounding himself with spectacularly useless people. Look at his cabinet. One already caught embellishing her CV to claim she was an economist when she was working in a call center, another one convicted of misleading the police after she concocted a mugging to try and get a new phone. David Lammy. Ed Miliband is the closest to a big hitter.
These are silly people with nothing much to offer. I was no Blair fan but if you look at his cabinet with people Robin Cook, Jack Straw and Lord Irving around it was very different. They were forceful people with some principles and thoughts of their own. I get the impression Starmer just selects people who he can control easily.
He can only appoint people who are MP's. As a talent pool from which to draw, it more akin to a puddle.These are silly people with nothing much to offer. I was no Blair fan but if you look at his cabinet with people Robin Cook, Jack Straw and Lord Irving around it was very different. They were forceful people with some principles and thoughts of their own. I get the impression Starmer just selects people who he can control easily.
monkfish1 said:
He can only appoint people who are MP's. As a talent pool from which to draw, it more akin to a puddle.
Not quite true. He can elevate a civilian to the House of Lords and then select that person as minister. I vaguely know someone who was appointed to Liz Truss's cabinet this way. He had a job for 6 weeks and a peerage for life (though I believe he is now back in the shadow cabinet).
monkfish1 said:
He can only appoint people who are MP's. As a talent pool from which to draw, it more akin to a puddle.
Not many big names but I just had a flick through their current MPshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Eagle
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Timms
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Jarvis
Not my dream team perhaps but all fairly accomplished people with a lot of experience. Amd there's 400+ others. It's hard to believe Reeves and Lammy are really the best available for their jobs, or that Louise Haig should be anywhere near.
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