The next 5 years with Labour?

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lornemalvo

3,096 posts

83 months

Saturday 30th November 2024
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chrispmartha said:
pheonix478 said:
No. People sport unconventional looks for attention. .
People have their hair and wear clothes how they want because they like them, just as I’m presuming you do?
I totally agree. However, she should have been fired for wearing those green trousers. I half expected her to start rubbing a lamp and granting wishes.

MattsCar

1,740 posts

120 months

Saturday 30th November 2024
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macron

11,740 posts

181 months

Sunday 1st December 2024
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Don't know who this is but valid points.


Wombat3

13,579 posts

221 months

Sunday 1st December 2024
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macron said:
Don't know who this is but valid points.

TLDR

Being in government is harder than whining from the sidelines in opposition

What a surprise rolleyes

Salted_Peanut

1,719 posts

69 months

Sunday 1st December 2024
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Surprises aside, being a government minister must be one of the most important jobs with the least training (i.e., none).

Institute for Government said:
The job of a government minister is a strange one. There is no job description, no application, no interview and no tuition: you are picked from among your peers, by the Prime Minister, to be a chief decision maker and a joint leader of a large and complex organisation that you may know absolutely nothing about. Your new role starts the moment you leave Number 10, perhaps with some instruction from the Prime Minister about what he or she would like you to do, perhaps not. It is a great privilege and most likely the highlight of your political career. In your new office, departmental staff you don’t know, none of whom you can – formally – hire or fire, will greet you and wait to hear your plan. You will be part of a ministerial team that you haven’t been able to choose and that may include political rivals.

Your new job is 24/7 as you juggle a constant stream of government business along with your role as a parliamentarian, all under the gaze of the media and the public.
Edited by Salted_Peanut on Sunday 1st December 19:15

Tankrizzo

7,723 posts

208 months

Sunday 1st December 2024
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Salted_Peanut said:
Edited by Salted_Peanut on Sunday 1st December 19:15
Ian Dunt's excellent book backs this up. There's no 'training' given on even being an MP let alone a minister, you're chucked in on day 1 and have to try and find out how everything works yourself. This is where the Whips hold power, they promise to show you the ropes and explain the convoluted points of parliament business, but in return you're expected to show loyalty to them in votes.

For ministers it's even worse as they're expected to be experts in their brief from literally the first day. Apparently you only start to become useful in a ministerial post about 18 months into the job, and most don't last more than 2 years without a reshuffle moving them on.

911Spanker

2,450 posts

31 months

Sunday 1st December 2024
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Tankrizzo said:
Salted_Peanut said:
Edited by Salted_Peanut on Sunday 1st December 19:15
Ian Dunt's excellent book backs this up. There's no 'training' given on even being an MP let alone a minister, you're chucked in on day 1 and have to try and find out how everything works yourself. This is where the Whips hold power, they promise to show you the ropes and explain the convoluted points of parliament business, but in return you're expected to show loyalty to them in votes.

For ministers it's even worse as they're expected to be experts in their brief from literally the first day. Apparently you only start to become useful in a ministerial post about 18 months into the job, and most don't last more than 2 years without a reshuffle moving them on.
That's why this country is a joke. Plenty of far more knowledgeable, clever and experienced people than the usual ill informed rabble that are MPs (and most working in government).

Too much power, too high an opinion of themselves and not enough skill. A dangerous combination...

M1AGM

3,460 posts

47 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Backlash from councils over Rayner housing targets

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crk4y05vp61o


Local councils have told the government its flagship plan to build 1.5m new homes in England over the next five years is “unrealistic” and “impossible to achieve”, the BBC can reveal.


Well strike me down with a feather.

Clownworld.

Gecko1978

11,353 posts

172 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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M1AGM said:
Backlash from councils over Rayner housing targets

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crk4y05vp61o


Local councils have told the government its flagship plan to build 1.5m new homes in England over the next five years is “unrealistic” and “impossible to achieve”, the BBC can reveal.


Well strike me down with a feather.

Clownworld.
I read the BBC article a few things struck me

1) most housing will be built in rural areas. I assume there are less jobs in such area so less need plus transport networks are less so again more car use required seems odd choice
2) land avalible a council said they would need to use farm land which does explain the change in IHT but of course we do need food.

Not mentioned in the article but who will build these new homes also?

119

11,667 posts

51 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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M1AGM said:
Backlash from councils over Rayner housing targets

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crk4y05vp61o


Local councils have told the government its flagship plan to build 1.5m new homes in England over the next five years is “unrealistic” and “impossible to achieve”, the BBC can reveal.


Well strike me down with a feather.

Clownworld.
That map shows 100% more housing required for the Isle of Wight.

hehe

turbobloke

111,725 posts

275 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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119 said:
M1AGM said:
Backlash from councils over Rayner housing targets

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crk4y05vp61o


Local councils have told the government its flagship plan to build 1.5m new homes in England over the next five years is “unrealistic” and “impossible to achieve”, the BBC can reveal.


Well strike me down with a feather.

Clownworld.
That map shows 100% more housing required for the Isle of Wight.

hehe
A quick call to the Pope, sorted.

Condi

18,747 posts

186 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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119 said:
That map shows 100% more housing required for the Isle of Wight.

hehe
No it doesn't....

It's shows vs the previous target +100%. So if the previous target was 20 new homes, now the target is 40 new homes.

Idiot.

turbobloke

111,725 posts

275 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Condi said:
119 said:
That map shows 100% more housing required for the Isle of Wight.

hehe
No it doesn't....

It's shows vs the previous target +100%. So if the previous target was 20 new homes, now the target is 40 new homes.

Idiot.
100% more new housing, compared to previous new housing, exactly o sage. Crayons will still need divine intervention.

Wombat3

13,579 posts

221 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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turbobloke said:
Condi said:
119 said:
That map shows 100% more housing required for the Isle of Wight.

hehe
No it doesn't....

It's shows vs the previous target +100%. So if the previous target was 20 new homes, now the target is 40 new homes.

Idiot.
100% more new housing, compared to previous new housing, exactly o sage. Crayons will still need divine intervention.
So THATS why she went to Rome! hehe

turbobloke

111,725 posts

275 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Wombat3 said:
turbobloke said:
Condi said:
119 said:
That map shows 100% more housing required for the Isle of Wight.

hehe
No it doesn't....

It's shows vs the previous target +100%. So if the previous target was 20 new homes, now the target is 40 new homes.

Idiot.
100% more new housing, compared to previous new housing, exactly o sage. Crayons will still need divine intervention.
So THATS why she went to Rome! hehe
smile

Unfortunately for VaticAngie infallibility isn't contagious.

macron

11,740 posts

181 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Did we pay for her trip there and the new PR person she's hired?


Do I even need to ask that question?

Digga

43,279 posts

298 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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All of the economic data - be it OBR, IFS, BoE etc. etc. - is backward looking. They roll out data with great fanfare, but in essence, they barely more useful than someone being able to look in the road for st and tell you a horse has been down it.

What's happening fast in an unraveling of any control. It's certain business will not be able to deliver growth or, therefore, higher tax receipts that were a budgetary assumption.

https://www.cityam.com/budget-could-wipe-out-12500...

CBI Economics said:
The change unveiled in Labour’s first Budget could reduce the value of goods and services produced across the UK economy by £9.4bn and incur a £1.3bn net loss for the Treasury between 2026/27 and 2029/30.

turbobloke

111,725 posts

275 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Digga said:
All of the economic data - be it OBR, IFS, BoE etc. etc. - is backward looking. They roll out data with great fanfare, but in essence, they barely more useful than someone being able to look in the road for st and tell you a horse has been down it.

What's happening fast in an unraveling of any control. It's certain business will not be able to deliver growth or, therefore, higher tax receipts that were a budgetary assumption.

https://www.cityam.com/budget-could-wipe-out-12500...

CBI Economics said:
The change unveiled in Labour’s first Budget could reduce the value of goods and services produced across the UK economy by £9.4bn and incur a £1.3bn net loss for the Treasury between 2026/27 and 2029/30.
Not surprising.

As IANAeconomist, here's a silly question, for economists: is it likely thar increased gov't spending G in the formula for nominal GDP=C+I+G+(X-M) could provide a positive view of economic 'growth' at some point?

Digga

43,279 posts

298 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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turbobloke said:
Digga said:
All of the economic data - be it OBR, IFS, BoE etc. etc. - is backward looking. They roll out data with great fanfare, but in essence, they barely more useful than someone being able to look in the road for st and tell you a horse has been down it.

What's happening fast in an unraveling of any control. It's certain business will not be able to deliver growth or, therefore, higher tax receipts that were a budgetary assumption.

https://www.cityam.com/budget-could-wipe-out-12500...

CBI Economics said:
The change unveiled in Labour’s first Budget could reduce the value of goods and services produced across the UK economy by £9.4bn and incur a £1.3bn net loss for the Treasury between 2026/27 and 2029/30.
Not surprising.

As IANAeconomist, here's a silly question, for economists: is it likely thar increased gov't spending G in the formula for nominal GDP=C+I+G+(X-M) could provide a positive view of economic 'growth' at some point?
I'd suggest most economists would say it is a high risk strategy. Far better to grow GDP - private sector output, jobs and productivity - and then spend the resultant, higher tax receipts.

MDMetal

3,118 posts

163 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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macron said:
Don't know who this is but valid points.

"The Far right" is that what we call a centralist conservative party these days?
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