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dudleybloke said:
The idiots who rioted to get an injured baby taken from social services back into the hands of the parents that let the baby fall out of a window seemed to have very little police attention compared to the other rioters.
I thought they got sent to jail as well, the ones that set the bus alight etc? Greendubber said:
dudleybloke said:
The idiots who rioted to get an injured baby taken from social services back into the hands of the parents that let the baby fall out of a window seemed to have very little police attention compared to the other rioters.
I thought they got sent to jail as well, the ones that set the bus alight etc? dudleybloke said:
A handful of arrests, and the attitude from the authorities has been totally different towards them.
I suppose it depends if you think there's a difference between an unacceptable incident which as far as I'm aware appears to have been a localised one-off v a series of unacceptable incidents nationwide incited by racists which risked snowballing if the justice system didn't get a grip on it quickly.dudleybloke said:
Greendubber said:
dudleybloke said:
The idiots who rioted to get an injured baby taken from social services back into the hands of the parents that let the baby fall out of a window seemed to have very little police attention compared to the other rioters.
I thought they got sent to jail as well, the ones that set the bus alight etc? Harehills riot was one incident over one evening if my memory is correct. The later 'far right' riots were numerous incidents in different areas with far more people involved committing far more offences.
dudleybloke said:
A handful of arrests, and the attitude from the authorities has been totally different towards them.
But that was local disorder and didn't effect the whole country did it, unlike the 2024 riots which were national and had (or could have lead to) a much greater impact on society,b
hstewie said:
hstewie said: Well if you're going to try to put people in neat little boxes like that you should probably say the far right ones try to burn people to death shouldn't you?
Exactly - but when we go down this road we end up at Hitler and Stalin. (Queue debate on whether Hitler was a socialist.) dudleybloke said:
The Harehill riots stopped when the rioters got what they wanted.
That's a huge difference in circumstance and why people use the phrase two tier.
Is that really the case?That's a huge difference in circumstance and why people use the phrase two tier.
I won't pretend to remember the exact sequence of events but Wikipedia suggests there was one night and one night only.
Like I said it's unacceptable but all this two-tier stuff seems wide of the mark.
You seem to be trying to compare events that were very different in their cause and their nature.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Is that really the case?
I won't pretend to remember the exact sequence of events but Wikipedia suggests there was one night and one night only.
Like I said it's unacceptable but all this two-tier stuff seems wide of the mark.
You seem to be trying to compare events that were very different in their cause and their nature.
Rioting stopped when they gave the kid back. I won't pretend to remember the exact sequence of events but Wikipedia suggests there was one night and one night only.
Like I said it's unacceptable but all this two-tier stuff seems wide of the mark.
You seem to be trying to compare events that were very different in their cause and their nature.
dudleybloke said:
Rioting stopped when they gave the kid back.
Are you sure?The timeline seems to be there was a riot on the 18th and the children were given back on 23rd and I don't believe there were similar occurrences in between.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Harehills_riot
I'm not excusing what happened because it can't be excused - but they do seem like two different situations.
dudleybloke said:
The idiots who rioted to get an injured baby taken from social services back into the hands of the parents that let the baby fall out of a window seemed to have very little police attention compared to the other rioters.
The sentences were eye watering as sentences during riots always are:https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/u...
....and there were 27 arrests.
Pretty sure this has already been mentioned up thread.
BikeBikeBIke said:
The sentences were eye watering as sentences during riots always are:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/u...
....and there were 27 arrests.
Pretty sure this has already been mentioned up thread.
Don’t let some research and actual facts get in the way of a ‘two-tier’ narrative.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/u...
....and there were 27 arrests.
Pretty sure this has already been mentioned up thread.
dudleybloke said:
The idiots who rioted to get an injured baby taken from social services back into the hands of the parents that let the baby fall out of a window seemed to have very little police attention compared to the other rioters.
Maybe you need to widen your source of information. eldar said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
his is fine if it is applied equally to all who conduct riots, The problem is, that at the moment, it only seems to be aimed at far right thugs.
Thats because rioters are all far right thugs. Convictions prove that.Simple, innit.
https://youtu.be/teSPN8sVbFU?si=mBJC_7zGB1Df5e3R
The convictions only prove Starmer's left wing bias, in how he deals with issues. We wait to see if far left violent thug Amesbury, is dealt with in the same way.
Pan Pan Pan said:
eldar said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
his is fine if it is applied equally to all who conduct riots, The problem is, that at the moment, it only seems to be aimed at far right thugs.
Thats because rioters are all far right thugs. Convictions prove that.Simple, innit.
https://youtu.be/teSPN8sVbFU?si=mBJC_7zGB1Df5e3R
The convictions only prove Starmer's left wing bias, in how he deals with issues. We wait to see if far left violent thug Amesbury, is dealt with in the same way.
If not, why would you expect him to be treated in the same way as those involved in a riot?
In the recent past how have Tory governments dealt with rioters?
In 2011 Ministry of Justice figures show a total of 1,292 offenders were jailed for their part in the riots.
Edited by blueg33 on Sunday 10th November 11:48
blueg33 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
eldar said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
his is fine if it is applied equally to all who conduct riots, The problem is, that at the moment, it only seems to be aimed at far right thugs.
Thats because rioters are all far right thugs. Convictions prove that.Simple, innit.
https://youtu.be/teSPN8sVbFU?si=mBJC_7zGB1Df5e3R
The convictions only prove Starmer's left wing bias, in how he deals with issues. We wait to see if far left violent thug Amesbury, is dealt with in the same way.
If not, why would you expect him to be treated in the same way as those involved in a riot?
In the recent past how have Tory governments dealt with rioters?
In 2011 Ministry of Justice figures show a total of 1,292 offenders were jailed for their part in the riots.
Edited by blueg33 on Sunday 10th November 11:48
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