The Assisted Dying Bill
Discussion
Strangely Brown said:
p1stonhead said:
I’d say it’s down to religion. Been the odd post on this very thread.
Conservatives more religious, there for more believe youre supposed die when god says so?
Well God said that I can die whenever I want and my mate is allowed to help me. He told me so himself. Who is going to tell me that he didn't?Conservatives more religious, there for more believe youre supposed die when god says so?
I mean, crack on, god killed everyone on earth except Noah coz he was annoyed about something or other.
Muzzer79 said:
Between 60 and 80% of the world's population, depending on which source you choose, believe in a God or some kind of higher spirit.
So what?Does the number of people that accept a proposition as true have any bearing whatsoever on the actual truth of the proposition? That is simply the argumentum ad populum fallacy and is completely irrelevant.
Muzzer79 said:
But I agree that religion should not be a factor in laws such as the one passed today and I'm pleased it went through.
Me too. The only person who matters in the decision to end a life is the owner of that life.p1stonhead said:
Never heard such sanctimonious f
king bullst in my life.
The soul isn’t real, religion needs to stay out of these discussions and let people do what they want to do.
Soul contract
fking drivel. If you want to believe that because of your sky fairy, feel free but the rest of us can also believe it’s an absolutely absurd children’s story.
Sorry all, but these religious morally superior takes wind me up like nothing else
Agree 100%.king bullst in my life. The soul isn’t real, religion needs to stay out of these discussions and let people do what they want to do.
Soul contract
fking drivel. If you want to believe that because of your sky fairy, feel free but the rest of us can also believe it’s an absolutely absurd children’s story. Sorry all, but these religious morally superior takes wind me up like nothing else
I wrote here some time ago that the human body s composed of 3 elements:
1. Water
2. Chemicals
3. Electrical impulses
When the electrical impulses stop the body dies, all that remains is biological waste.
There is no such thing as a 'soul' which is supposed to exit the body and fly up to some imaginary goody goody place in the sky to reside there for all eternity.
What a load of utter s
te this is, it was all invented to keep the poor and downtrodden in there place by telling them their lives were so bad and so short that there was heaven to look forward to after they were worked to death at an early age. 'A camel will pass through the eye of a needle before a rich man will go to heaven' eh? I'll bet that it wasn't some poor peasant who dreamed up that little gem.Religion of any flavour has no place in a modern scientific world, just look at what's happening around the world while these primitive savages slaughter each other believing they will make their sky fairy love them.
The thought that any flavour of religion plays any part in this sensitive subject is a disgrace and my honest belief is that humanity will not be civilised while people in power allow their decisions which affect the general population, to be influenced by superstitous, made up garbage.
Muzzer79 said:
For me, it's not the concept of choosing to die that is the issue. I fully agree that one should have a choice.
My concerns are around abuse of the law - there's a disturbing amount of people who will stoop lower than anyone can imagine when there's money at stake......
As long as the law is robust enough to tackle this, there should be no debate.
Which is of course why there are significant protections in place. Ignoring the religious "how dare you wish to die if God would prefer you to suffer" argument, it's certainly not a black-and-white question, which is why it's so contentious. The safeguards they've tried to put in place in this bill do, on the face of it, look fairly robust (perhaps even overly restrictive in some ways) but realistically the question of exactly how it ends up being implemented it a matter of time. My concerns are around abuse of the law - there's a disturbing amount of people who will stoop lower than anyone can imagine when there's money at stake......
As long as the law is robust enough to tackle this, there should be no debate.
The result of the assisted dying vote was the correct one, but it does need to go further.
Other countries have managed to enact legislation on this.
The people who are against it do appear to tend to be swayed by religious feelings, even if many are pretending otherwise.
On the whole, religious people really need to stop worrying about what *other* people are doing with their own lives.
Other countries have managed to enact legislation on this.
The people who are against it do appear to tend to be swayed by religious feelings, even if many are pretending otherwise.
On the whole, religious people really need to stop worrying about what *other* people are doing with their own lives.
kambites said:
Muzzer79 said:
For me, it's not the concept of choosing to die that is the issue. I fully agree that one should have a choice.
My concerns are around abuse of the law - there's a disturbing amount of people who will stoop lower than anyone can imagine when there's money at stake......
As long as the law is robust enough to tackle this, there should be no debate.
Which is of course why there are significant protections in place. Ignoring the religious "how dare you wish to die if God would prefer you to suffer" argument, it's certainly not a black-and-white question, which is why it's so contentious. The safeguards they've tried to put in place in this bill do, on the face of it, look fairly robust (perhaps even overly restrictive in some ways) but realistically the question of exactly how it ends up being implemented it a matter of time. My concerns are around abuse of the law - there's a disturbing amount of people who will stoop lower than anyone can imagine when there's money at stake......
As long as the law is robust enough to tackle this, there should be no debate.
Greedy relatives will have a hard time hoodwinking them.
As you say though it may actually be very hard to even do in practice.
MC Bodge said:
The result of the assisted dying vote was the correct one, but it does need to go further.
Perhaps, but once the precedent is set that helping someone who is suffering to die is not fundamentally a criminal offense, surely it's better to start with a relatively tight set of restrictions which can later be relaxed as history tells us how things actually pan out, than to start out with too lax a set of rules and allow people to be pressured into ending their own lives against their own best interests? If nothing else, if the bill has included less stringent safeguards, it almost certainly wouldn't have passed this vote.
fly by wire said:
p1stonhead said:
Never heard such sanctimonious fking bullst in my life.
The soul isn’t real, religion needs to stay out of these discussions and let people do what they want to do.
Soul contract fking drivel. If you want to believe that because of your sky fairy, feel free but the rest of us can also believe it’s an absolutely absurd children’s story.
Sorry all, but these religious morally superior takes wind me up like nothing else
Agree 100%.king bullst in my life. The soul isn’t real, religion needs to stay out of these discussions and let people do what they want to do.
Soul contract
fking drivel. If you want to believe that because of your sky fairy, feel free but the rest of us can also believe it’s an absolutely absurd children’s story. Sorry all, but these religious morally superior takes wind me up like nothing else
I wrote here some time ago that the human body s composed of 3 elements:
1. Water
2. Chemicals
3. Electrical impulses
When the electrical impulses stop the body dies, all that remains is biological waste.
There is no such thing as a 'soul' which is supposed to exit the body and fly up to some imaginary goody goody place in the sky to reside there for all eternity.
What a load of utter s
te this is, it was all invented to keep the poor and downtrodden in there place by telling them their lives were so bad and so short that there was heaven to look forward to after they were worked to death at an early age. 'A camel will pass through the eye of a needle before a rich man will go to heaven' eh? I'll bet that it wasn't some poor peasant who dreamed up that little gem.Religion of any flavour has no place in a modern scientific world, just look at what's happening around the world while these primitive savages slaughter each other believing they will make their sky fairy love them.
The thought that any flavour of religion plays any part in this sensitive subject is a disgrace and my honest belief is that humanity will not be civilised while people in power allow their decisions which affect the general population, to be influenced by superstitous, made up garbage.
(not taking the piss, your post just made me chuckle, having married into a fairly religious family as an agnostic)
kambites said:
MC Bodge said:
The result of the assisted dying vote was the correct one, but it does need to go further.
Perhaps, but once the precedent is set that helping someone who is suffering to die is not fundamentally a criminal offense, surely it's better to start with a relatively tight set of restrictions which can later be relaxed as history tells us how things actually pan out, than to start out with too lax a set of rules and allow people to be pressured into ending their own lives against their own best interests? If nothing else, if the bill has included less stringent safeguards, it almost certainly wouldn't have passed this vote.
fly by wire said:
p1stonhead said:
Never heard such sanctimonious fking bullst in my life.
The soul isn’t real, religion needs to stay out of these discussions and let people do what they want to do.
Soul contract fking drivel. If you want to believe that because of your sky fairy, feel free but the rest of us can also believe it’s an absolutely absurd children’s story.
Sorry all, but these religious morally superior takes wind me up like nothing else
Agree 100%.king bullst in my life. The soul isn’t real, religion needs to stay out of these discussions and let people do what they want to do.
Soul contract
fking drivel. If you want to believe that because of your sky fairy, feel free but the rest of us can also believe it’s an absolutely absurd children’s story. Sorry all, but these religious morally superior takes wind me up like nothing else
I wrote here some time ago that the human body s composed of 3 elements:
1. Water
2. Chemicals
3. Electrical impulses
When the electrical impulses stop the body dies, all that remains is biological waste.
There is no such thing as a 'soul' which is supposed to exit the body and fly up to some imaginary goody goody place in the sky to reside there for all eternity.
What a load of utter s
te this is, it was all invented to keep the poor and downtrodden in there place by telling them their lives were so bad and so short that there was heaven to look forward to after they were worked to death at an early age. 'A camel will pass through the eye of a needle before a rich man will go to heaven' eh? I'll bet that it wasn't some poor peasant who dreamed up that little gem.Religion of any flavour has no place in a modern scientific world, just look at what's happening around the world while these primitive savages slaughter each other believing they will make their sky fairy love them.
The thought that any flavour of religion plays any part in this sensitive subject is a disgrace and my honest belief is that humanity will not be civilised while people in power allow their decisions which affect the general population, to be influenced by superstitous, made up garbage.
It seems nonsensical to say religion has no place in a modern scientific world, when our observational abilities are clearly absurdly limited in the big picture of things.
Ie, we can’t even perceive more than 3 dimensions and experience what is probably an emergent property, time, such that we are prisoners of it.
ScotHill said:
Mr Whippy said:
It seems nonsensical to say religion has no place in a modern scientific world, when our observational abilities are clearly absurdly limited in the big picture of things.
So when our observational skills run out we should just make the rest up?MC Bodge said:
The result of the assisted dying vote was the correct one, but it does need to go further.
Other countries have managed to enact legislation on this.
The people who are against it do appear to tend to be swayed by religious feelings, even if many are pretending otherwise.
On the whole, religious people really need to stop worrying about what *other* people are doing with their own lives.
That is patently not true.Other countries have managed to enact legislation on this.
The people who are against it do appear to tend to be swayed by religious feelings, even if many are pretending otherwise.
On the whole, religious people really need to stop worrying about what *other* people are doing with their own lives.
There are concerns about this opening floodgates.
MAID, the Canadian version, is now responsible for 4% of all Canadian mortalities.
Its scope has increased well beyond the original premise, with now ‘mentally ill’ candidates being considered.
Ranting about religion does not a positive contribution to the debate make.
gregs656 said:
ScotHill said:
So when our observational skills run out we should just make the rest up?
I think that’s a category error. Not all questions can be answered by the scientific method. Or to put it another way, if you drop an apple 10000 times and it falls to the ground, no real scientist will say that that is absolute proof it will do so on the 10001st attempt. It's pretty bloody likely that it will though!
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