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[sugerbear]

768 said:

sugerbear said:

Unless you send your child to private school / own vast tracts of land it hasnt / wont make any difference to your life.

Or unless those kids leave and put pressure on the state sector. Or unless you eat food. Or unless you drink in a pub. Or unless you're a pensioner. Or unless you pay council tax. Or unless you have energy bills to pay. Or unless you're exposed to a weaker pound and higher inflation. Or unless you are a working person. Or unless you're not a working person and thought you'd have a chance of getting a job.

Apart from any of that, they've barely made things much worse really.

I haven't noticed any increase in any of the stuff you mention

Pub prices havnt changed.
Food bill hasnt risen as far as i can tell
Fuel (seems to be less than this time last year)
Council tax will increase but not until next year. As it always does.
My salary is exactly the same
Energy bills have been stable
I can carry on paying the same amount into my work pension
My cat insurance has gone down this year
Interest rates are falling

Edited by sugerbear on Friday 29th November 08:28

[turbobloke]

768 said:

sugerbear said:

Unless you send your child to private school / own vast tracts of land it hasnt / wont make any difference to your life.

Or unless those kids leave and put pressure on the state sector. Or unless you eat food. Or unless you drink in a pub. Or unless you're a pensioner. Or unless you pay council tax. Or unless you have energy bills to pay. Or unless you're exposed to a weaker pound and higher inflation. Or unless you are a working person. Or unless you're not a working person and thought you'd have a chance of getting a job.

Apart from any of that, they've barely made things much worse really.

Barely

I read that ^ just after reading that consumer confidence post-budget has fallen yet again, with the proportion of households feeling positive about the economy dropping from 21% in October to 19% at the end of November in the BRC-Opinium tracker. Less than a fifth...go Labour! Not that they will, just yet.

[eldar]

sugerbear said:

I haven't noticed any increase in any of the stuff you mention

Pub prices havnt changed.
Food bill hasnt risen as far as i can tell
Fuel (seems to be less than this time last year)
Council tax will increase but not until next year. As it always does.
My salary is exactly the same
Energy bills have been stable
I can carry on paying the same amount into my work pension
My cat insurance has gone down this year
Interest rates are falling

Edited by sugerbear on Friday 29th November 08:28

I pleased for your cat. TPF&T or fully comp?

[chrispmartha]

eldar said:

sugerbear said:

I haven't noticed any increase in any of the stuff you mention

Pub prices havnt changed.
Food bill hasnt risen as far as i can tell
Fuel (seems to be less than this time last year)
Council tax will increase but not until next year. As it always does.
My salary is exactly the same
Energy bills have been stable
I can carry on paying the same amount into my work pension
My cat insurance has gone down this year
Interest rates are falling

Edited by sugerbear on Friday 29th November 08:28

I pleased for your cat. TPF&T or fully comp?

My Cat insurance has nearly doubled, Starmers Britain!!!

Might start a petition

[JuanCarlosFandango]

robemcdonald said:

Honestly it’s like a Man City fan claiming the 0-4 hammering by Tottenham doesn’t count because the stadium wasn’t full.

(I don’t support Labour or Tottenham)

It is absolutely nothing like that.

[WindyCommon]

sugerbear said:

I haven't noticed any increase in any of the stuff you mention

Pub prices havnt changed. **They will, when increased staff costs due to E’ers NI & minimum wages are passed on https://www.theguardian.com/business/nils-pratley-...

Food bill hasnt risen as far as i can tell **It will, when increased staff costs due to E’ers NI and minimum wages are passed on + weaker pound will make imported food more expensive https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2024/11/natio...

Fuel (seems to be less than this time last year) **Tax accounts for 56% of the cost of a litre of fuel, wait for the “temporary” freeze on fuel duty to be rescinded https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/fuel-watch/#wha...

Council tax will increase but not until next year. As it always does. **It’ll likely increase by more than inflation (3% cap > 2.3% CPI) and pretty much ALL of the increase will be swallowed up by increases to living wage and E’ers NI https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2024/11/17/governm...

My salary is exactly the same **Yup, and many jobs are expected to be lost https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/money/saving-a...

Energy bills have been stable **No, price cap has just increased - again https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/energy-price-cap

I can carry on paying the same amount into my work pension **You’ll need to contribute more due to lower expected investment returns https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/budge...

My cat insurance has gone down this year **Irrelevant

Interest rates are falling **Mortgage rates are rising https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/...

[shakotan]

turbobloke said:

May 2025 will still be interesting

Why?

[shakotan]

Super Sonic said:

turbobloke said:

May 2025 will still be interesting

I wonder how many pages this thread will run to before then.

Will probably have more posts than signatures on the petition by then.

[turbobloke]

shakotan said:

Super Sonic said:

turbobloke said:

May 2025 will still be interesting

I wonder how many pages this thread will run to before then.

Will probably have more posts than signatures on the petition by then.

The PH hamsters would be knackered, thank goodness it's unlikely.

[coldel]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I think it's wrong to see the Tories as the only alternative. There's a significant group of people who are glad the Tories got kicked out but in no way see Starmer and his party as any kind of answer. They just bring more of the same lies, incompetence and corruption. By votes and vote share it was a dismal campaign. They got a huge haul of seats because of low turn out and the absolute melt down of Conservative votes, but fewer votes than Corbyn. Barely more than Miliband in 2015.

So in the same way that if the young vote had turned out for the EU referendum stay would have won by a mile, so by your rationale the brexit out vote was a function of turn out also. I get it now.

[cliffords]

WindyCommon said:

sugerbear said:

I haven't noticed any increase in any of the stuff you mention

Pub prices havnt changed. **They will, when increased staff costs due to E’ers NI & minimum wages are passed on https://www.theguardian.com/business/nils-pratley-...

Food bill hasnt risen as far as i can tell **It will, when increased staff costs due to E’ers NI and minimum wages are passed on + weaker pound will make imported food more expensive https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2024/11/natio...

Fuel (seems to be less than this time last year) **Tax accounts for 56% of the cost of a litre of fuel, wait for the “temporary” freeze on fuel duty to be rescinded https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/fuel-watch/#wha...

Council tax will increase but not until next year. As it always does. **It’ll likely increase by more than inflation (3% cap > 2.3% CPI) and pretty much ALL of the increase will be swallowed up by increases to living wage and E’ers NI https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2024/11/17/governm...

My salary is exactly the same **Yup, and many jobs are expected to be lost https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/money/saving-a...

Energy bills have been stable **No, price cap has just increased - again https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/energy-price-cap

I can carry on paying the same amount into my work pension **You’ll need to contribute more due to lower expected investment returns https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/budge...

My cat insurance has gone down this year **Irrelevant

Interest rates are falling **Mortgage rates are rising https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/...

Very good reply providing all the evidence to support the reality . I would just add NI as just one example, does not go up until April of 2025. They do this deliberately to mask the effect and distance it from the announcement. Same for pension tax and inheritance tax changes , all forward dated . Interest rates is going to be the biggest one, the very poorly thought out budget of the current government has increased inflation and therefore prevented BOE reducing base rate as they expected to . Our already damaged global outlook is even more dented . The hurt is just around the corner .

[Countdown]

sugerbear said:

I haven't noticed any increase in any of the stuff you mention

Pub prices havnt changed.
Food bill hasnt risen as far as i can tell
Fuel (seems to be less than this time last year)
Council tax will increase but not until next year. As it always does.
My salary is exactly the same
Energy bills have been stable
I can carry on paying the same amount into my work pension
My cat insurance has gone down this year
Interest rates are falling

Edited by sugerbear on Friday 29th November 08:28

I'd agree with most of that except

Asda is taking the mick with prices. we've also lost our 10% discount due to my eldest deciding that one job is enough
My salary went up 8% last year and 5% this year but it's a bit of a niche role. Finance roles appear to have plateaued

[coldel]

cliffords said:

Very good reply providing all the evidence to support the reality . I would just add NI as just one example, does not go up until April of 2025. They do this deliberately to mask the effect and distance it from the announcement. Same for pension tax and inheritance tax changes , all forward dated . Interest rates is going to be the biggest one, the very poorly thought out budget of the current government has increased inflation and therefore prevented BOE reducing base rate as they expected to . Our already damaged global outlook is even more dented . The hurt is just around the corner .

Prices go up all the time, thats just a thing that happens. The budget hasnt been the most pleasant, but that is no reason to be running around in the streets waving your pitchforks. Lets not forget it wasnt that long ago Truss dropped a 30bn pound bomb on tbe economy which we are still working out how to recover from. We also had double digit inflation, multiple cost of living crisis, record net immigration, or even if we go way back and look at austerity and the effect on the country.

I presume when BJ whacked up tax for the working class a few years ago, you were equally angry and annoyed?

Fact of the matter is, to make stuff better we got to pay more. Thats where we are.

[NRS]

cliffords said:

It is a thread of juxtaposition.

Those who understand the previous government had run it's course, well overdue in fact . In despair of how bad it had become and just how inept and useless they were .

Then another set who felt change would be better and regardless of voting habits and negatively around Starmer . It could not be worse .

The second group have realised very quickly it really can be worse, it's a horrible realisation.

Pretty much all of the anti-Labour noise I've seen/heard has come from Reform voters who were never in support of Labour because they're all commie bds who will bankrupt the country. For some reason they all seem to believe there is a massive change in support for Labour within months of them coming into power and everyone regrets it. I don't see that at all.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

coldel said:

So in the same way that if the young vote had turned out for the EU referendum stay would have won by a mile, so by your rationale the brexit out vote was a function of turn out also. I get it now.

All votes are a function of turnout in a way, but it isn't much of a comparison. Brexit was a binary choice. Labpur have a big majority but a relatively weak mandate.

[768]

NRS said:

Pretty much all of the anti-Labour noise I've seen/heard has come from Reform voters who were never in support of Labour because they're all commie bds who will bankrupt the country. For some reason they all seem to believe there is a massive change in support for Labour within months of them coming into power and everyone regrets it. I don't see that at all.

Yeah. It's all going swimmingly. No change.

[turbobloke]

768 said:

NRS said:

Pretty much all of the anti-Labour noise I've seen/heard has come from Reform voters who were never in support of Labour because they're all commie bds who will bankrupt the country. For some reason they all seem to believe there is a massive change in support for Labour within months of them coming into power and everyone regrets it. I don't see that at all.

Yeah. It's all going swimmingly. No change.

Likewise with support for Labour.

04 July
Labour 10 percentage points above Tories, 20 percentage points ahead of Reform
21 Nov
Tories 3 percentage points above Labour, Labour 6 percentage points ahead of Reform

Nothing to see here - apart from a nightmare for Labour due to sleaze, hypocrisy, spite, chaos and incompetence.

[WindyCommon]

coldel said:

Lets not forget it wasnt that long ago Truss dropped a 30bn pound bomb on tbe economy which we are still working out how to recover from.

Rubbish.

Only if you remortgaged in the month or two after the mini-budget have you suffered economically as a result of it. The only durable impacts have been political. Once Truss and Kwarteng were replaced and the main proposals in the Mini-Budget reversed, gilt yields etc fell back to roughly where they were before the Mini Budget.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your naive rhetoric!

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Over 2.9 million now. He's running out of road.

[Bill]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Over 2.9 million now. He's running out of road.

More people voted for the Lib Dems in the last election. That's how relevant this petition is...