Net migration - highest ever it's been
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E63eeeeee... said:
Olivera said:
Incredible net migration figures simps assemble - here comes E63eeeeee to utterly spam the thread.
You're welcome. If you don't want me to post, all it takes is for people not to post bulls
t and disinformation on what's essentially my specialist subject. Clearly.
popeyewhite said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Olivera said:
Incredible net migration figures simps assemble - here comes E63eeeeee to utterly spam the thread.
You're welcome. If you don't want me to post, all it takes is for people not to post bullst and disinformation on what's essentially my specialist subject. Clearly.
E63eeeeee... said:
Do you really not know the difference between illegal immigrants and asylum seekers, yet you think you're informed enough on this topic to debate it in public? How does that level of misplaced confidence feel from the inside? Do you do this with other subjects you don't even know basic facts about?
Ffs, stop being such a condescending tt and engage like a normal human being. Why is it always this particular sub forum?In the year to March 2024, 99 per cent of those who arrived in small boats claimed asylum in the UK. Since 2018, 93 per cent of small boat arrivals have made an asylum claim.
ukwill said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Do you really not know the difference between illegal immigrants and asylum seekers, yet you think you're informed enough on this topic to debate it in public? How does that level of misplaced confidence feel from the inside? Do you do this with other subjects you don't even know basic facts about?
Ffs, stop being such a condescending tt and engage like a normal human being. Why is it always this particular sub forum?In the year to March 2024, 99 per cent of those who arrived in small boats claimed asylum in the UK. Since 2018, 93 per cent of small boat arrivals have made an asylum claim.
E63eeeeee... said:
ukwill said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Do you really not know the difference between illegal immigrants and asylum seekers, yet you think you're informed enough on this topic to debate it in public? How does that level of misplaced confidence feel from the inside? Do you do this with other subjects you don't even know basic facts about?
Ffs, stop being such a condescending tt and engage like a normal human being. Why is it always this particular sub forum?In the year to March 2024, 99 per cent of those who arrived in small boats claimed asylum in the UK. Since 2018, 93 per cent of small boat arrivals have made an asylum claim.
We currently house over 50,000 asylum seekers in hotels alone.
Almost all those arriving via small boats claim asylum.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Oh good! That means we'll have a booming economy, pay down the debt and build the housing and infrastructure our ever growing population will need. And we'll get loads of great new restaurants. Fun and interesting new compatriots. What's not to like?
The fact that none of that will happen apart from the ever growing population bit.
E63eeeeee... said:
Terminator X said:
ukwill said:
I find this debate has become so strangely polarised.
Migrants are not inherently bad. Economies need migrants - the UK certainly does. And not just to fulfill low wage jobs.
Excessive illegal immigration is inherently bad. Economies do not need this. It is one of the reasons we (like most countries) have a Border Force Agency.
There is no gotcha here. No landmine. It just seems to have been lost somewhere along the way.
So a nett incoming of 900k in one year is good? What about 9m more over 10 years? fMigrants are not inherently bad. Economies need migrants - the UK certainly does. And not just to fulfill low wage jobs.
Excessive illegal immigration is inherently bad. Economies do not need this. It is one of the reasons we (like most countries) have a Border Force Agency.
There is no gotcha here. No landmine. It just seems to have been lost somewhere along the way.
k all being spent on infrastructure remember.In other un-related news no one can get a NHS operation when they need it etc.
TX.
E63eeeeee... said:
Except that's not what's happened. It was 900k one year. It was less the year before and 20% less the year after. A bunch of temporary effects combined over a short period. Assuming nothing else major happens, it'll be around 2026 before we really know what the current structural level is. And you're more likely to be treated by an immigrant in the NHS than in a queue behind one.
Absolute nonsense mate the NHS is fked as there are way too many people all not getting treated. Rinse and repeat for every other element of infrastructure in the UK. Roads fked. Can't get a dentist appointment. House prices always rising as demand outstrips supply. I'll look up the actual increase over the last 10 years and edit my post.
TX.
Edit - 200k to 300k a year before COVID
Edited by Terminator X on Saturday 30th November 13:05
Mrr T said:
All the research showed EU immigrants grew the economy. I mean who needs a growing economy and increased tax. After all surely you can pay pensions and healthcare out of all the sovereignty we earnt from brexit.
Obviously healthcare workers get old and it's just a fix. But in the mean time what do we do to look after the increasing number of old and sick.
You do understand what per capita means? You can allow the laziest imbecile in the world to move here and if he does a couple of hours delivering pizza he has grown the economy.. Obviously healthcare workers get old and it's just a fix. But in the mean time what do we do to look after the increasing number of old and sick.
This healthcare ‘quick fix’ has been with us for twenty years. It will NEVER end if we allow ever more workers in from poorer countries. The low cost easy option will always win out in that and every other sector
milesgiles said:
Mrr T said:
All the research showed EU immigrants grew the economy. I mean who needs a growing economy and increased tax. After all surely you can pay pensions and healthcare out of all the sovereignty we earnt from brexit.
Obviously healthcare workers get old and it's just a fix. But in the mean time what do we do to look after the increasing number of old and sick.
You do understand what per capita means? You can allow the laziest imbecile in the world to move here and if he does a couple of hours delivering pizza he has grown the economy.. Obviously healthcare workers get old and it's just a fix. But in the mean time what do we do to look after the increasing number of old and sick.
This healthcare ‘quick fix’ has been with us for twenty years. It will NEVER end if we allow ever more workers in from poorer countries. The low cost easy option will always win out in that and every other sector
E63eeeeee... said:
milesgiles said:
Condi said:
What data? The data is very clear - 95% of people arriving do so legally and with a visa, disembarking from a plane or ship and passing Border Force staff along the way.
As for how immigration has benefitted us - international students bring billions of Pounds per year into the country, other people bring skilled workers, other people are unskilled yet doing important jobs such as care workers. The 95% of people arriving legally do not get access to most benefits for the first few years, pay a surcharge to use the NHS, and pay taxes from day 1.
Cherry pickingAs for how immigration has benefitted us - international students bring billions of Pounds per year into the country, other people bring skilled workers, other people are unskilled yet doing important jobs such as care workers. The 95% of people arriving legally do not get access to most benefits for the first few years, pay a surcharge to use the NHS, and pay taxes from day 1.
If I thought the vast majority of international students were here on genuine three year courses and then went home (unless extremely well qualified and likely to earn a very high salary quickly) then I’d agree on student’s.
I don’t believe that.
What happens to the price of labour when you import cheap labour? Can you see the problem?
Immigration is the ultimate in virtue signaling. Yes, we can see almost none of it has been even slightly beneficial, but I’m voting for it anyway because it makes me nicer than you.
And if you aren’t voting Reform, you are voting for yet more net immigration
EVERYTHING I can think of has got worse in the last twenty years. I can post graphs for all of them but it would make no difference to you because you are too far down the rabbit hole.
Edited by milesgiles on Friday 29th November 22:10
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