47th President of the United States - Donald Trump. Vol. 2

[swisstoni]

I don’t follow aircraft like I used to but isn’t drone technology now rendering these super-fighters into show-boat territory anyway?

[epom]

So it’s ship building in the crosshairs today. He’s nothing but thorough in fairness

Bad ship building, very bad ships, the worst ships.

[nunpuncher]

If they start issuing armoured 911 Dakar's with .50 cals mounted to the roof I might actually join up.

[Hereward]

hidetheelephants said:

Probably that, wait for the next US president and hope they're sane...

4 years of Trump followed by 8 years of Vance…

[silverfoxcc]

I am hoping that the elves on PH are can match their normal efficiency in dragging stuff up from the past,,,eg aomeone says XYZ and it in miilisconds someone pops up with ....you asked that back in 1996 on 2 Feb type of answer

Now i know i have already asked this serval weeks/months ago but the system has so far failed my high esteem of them

This request could go back to Pre Trump mk 1 2016iirc

It was an article in the Guardian? that certainly was put up on a post on the Lounge that really knocked him out of the park with his stupidity...I would like to send it to a US friend to get their view

So lads can you assist if finding this please?

TIA

[Tango13]

silverfoxcc said:

I am hoping that the elves on PH are can match their normal efficiency in dragging stuff up from the past,,,eg aomeone says XYZ and it in miilisconds someone pops up with ....you asked that back in 1996 on 2 Feb type of answer

Now i know i have already asked this serval weeks/months ago but the system has so far failed my high esteem of them

This request could go back to Pre Trump mk 1 2016iirc

It was an article in the Guardian? that certainly was put up on a post on the Lounge that really knocked him out of the park with his stupidity...I would like to send it to a US friend to get their view

So lads can you assist if finding this please?

TIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CACKi4TlQoE&list=LL&index=6

[JJJ.]

TTwiggy said:

Here we are in the mid ‘20s and Germany are rearming. What could possibly go wrong?

I'm not too sure of you're point. It's not just Germany, the EU are talking about making 800bn available. Poland, France and the U.K. are talking about increasing defence spending. And, very importantly they're working together.

Edited by JJJ. on Friday 14th March 18:15

[minimoog]

JJJ. said:

I'm not too sure of you're point. It's not just Germany, the EU are talking about making 800bn available. Poland, France and the U.K. are talking about increasing defence spending.

Just a bit of humour methinks.

[QuickQuack]

hidetheelephants said:

PushedDover said:

Ship building is the latest hammer being thrown around.

Not so much that MAGA includes shipbuilding (because they can't, are stupidly expensive and st at it) but to boycott / tarriff any ship build in China calling in to USA, and then the worldwide bullying:

"U.S. to engage partners, allies to impose similar measures or risk U.S. retaliation"

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-levy-fees-ship...

What allies? He's spent the last two months alienating all US allies with his tiny hand energy. He's insane, the US-flagged tanker that got rammed off the Humber was built in China, so he's going to raise the cost of everything and expect everyone else to jump off the same cliff of stupidity?

off_again said:

While small, this could be just the start:

https://www.portugalresident.com/portugal-backs-of...

If they do call off the contract, where would they go? China and Russia are off the cards, which leaves only a few left - France? South Korea? Re-furb the F-16's for a few more years? Who knows. But messing around like this not a good idea. But hey, Gulf of America, right? Winning!

Probably that, wait for the next US president and hope they're sane. There aren't really any alternatives for a small NATO state that wants a 5th gen aircraft; F18 is old and american and Gripen while good is pricy and both are very much not 5th gen. Neither is Rafale.

Well, Turkey, having been kicked off the F35 programme, have been developing their own 5th gen fighter for both domestic and export markets for some time now. First deliveries expected in 2028, they'll start retiring their fleet of 235 F16s in 2030. They might be willing to ramp up production to supply other NATO countries...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI_TF_Kaan

It wouldn't be the maddest idea of the last few weeks, would it?

[JJJ.]

minimoog said:

Just a bit of humour methinks.

I wonder but you could be correct.

[MiniMan64]

I’m surprised states are that bothered about “5th Gen” fighters these days. The air conflict in Ukraine seems to be entirely drone dominated for a fraction of the cost.

[off_again]

MiniMan64 said:

I’m surprised states are that bothered about “5th Gen” fighters these days. The air conflict in Ukraine seems to be entirely drone dominated for a fraction of the cost.

There is still a role for multi-role aircraft for the foreseeable future.

Drones are useful in what they can do, but its a pretty narrow focus. Take anti-air suppression as an example. A 5th gen aircraft working in tandem with drones and local forces makes a formidable way to address this. Maybe the drone could be the explosive system, but smart anti-radar missiles are large but very effective - they are going to need an airframe that can cope and a pilot with experience to maximize effectiveness.

[Vasco]

The UK, France and Poland are, rightly, often highlighted as the countries making real efforts - otherwise it's usually 'the EU'.......which of those other countries are really making an effort?

[bloomen]

Vasco said:

The UK, France and Poland are, rightly, often highlighted as the countries making real efforts - otherwise it's usually 'the EU'.......which of those other countries are really making an effort?

The Baltics have contributed vastly more of their GDP than the headline acts.

[Jockman]

Hereward said:

hidetheelephants said:

Probably that, wait for the next US president and hope they're sane...

4 years of Trump followed by 8 years of Vance…

Or Trump Jnr. Dems need to get more traction.

[CraigyMc]

bloomen said:

Vasco said:

The UK, France and Poland are, rightly, often highlighted as the countries making real efforts - otherwise it's usually 'the EU'.......which of those other countries are really making an effort?

The Baltics have contributed vastly more of their GDP than the headline acts.

[hidetheelephants]

swisstoni said:

I don’t follow aircraft like I used to but isn’t drone technology now rendering these super-fighters into show-boat territory anyway?

Every country which has the ability to build 6th gen aircraft is spending billions to ensure they can have them. Duncan Sandys reckoned manned aircraft were obsolete in 1957, he was wrong too and it cost the UK very dearly.

[greygoose]

hidetheelephants said:

swisstoni said:

I don’t follow aircraft like I used to but isn’t drone technology now rendering these super-fighters into show-boat territory anyway?

Every country which has the ability to build 6th gen aircraft is spending billions to ensure they can have them. Duncan Sandys reckoned manned aircraft were obsolete in 1957, he was wrong too and it cost the UK very dearly.

Why bother designing an aircraft that needs a pilot though, the human seems to be the weak link in the design, we aren’t in 1957 any more?

[Wadeski]

hidetheelephants said:

swisstoni said:

I don’t follow aircraft like I used to but isn’t drone technology now rendering these super-fighters into show-boat territory anyway?

Every country which has the ability to build 6th gen aircraft is spending billions to ensure they can have them. Duncan Sandys reckoned manned aircraft were obsolete in 1957, he was wrong too and it cost the UK very dearly.

And the french jeune ecole thought small torpedo boats would make capital ships obsolete, and they were dead wrong too.

Its a big jump to abandon old technology on the promise of new, until tested.

[TTwiggy]

JJJ. said:

minimoog said:

Just a bit of humour methinks.

I wonder but you could be correct.

It was meant to be humour. I’ll try to more obvious in future.

‘Take my wife. Please!’.