SNP in party leadership debate legal threat

[emicen]

Televised national TV debate featuring the leaders of the Tories, Labour and LibDems. These are the parties with a real chance of ruling the UK.

Televised regional TV debates for Scotland and Wales, featuring the localised leaders of the main parties in those areas, Scottish Labout, SNP, Scottish Conservatives etc and the Welsh equivalents. Scottish and Welsh voters may wish to give these people a vote as regional governments have different proposals to the main Westminster government.

Rather simple/obvious is it not?

[Glasweigan conservative living in a Labour ghetto at the moment fwiw]

[fluffnik]

Corpulent Tosser said:

fluffnik said:

glazbagun said:

Sinn Fein (5) (haven't taken their seats and cannot vote)

Cannot take their seats because, despite being democratically elected, to do so they would have to take an oath directly contrary to the platform on which they stood.

Democracy? Pah!

That being the case, which it is, aren't the elected representatives hypocrits for standing to take a place in a parliament which they had no intention of actually taking, and aren't the people who voted for then exceedingly stupid voting for a representative who will not represent them.

No.

Their electors are republicans who regard the UKofGB&NI as an occupying power and who do not recognise any duty of loyalty to HMtheQ.

They are absolutely representing the democratically expressed view of their electors by declining to swear loyalty to HMtheQ and would be hypocrites if they did take the oath.

It is the UKofGB&NI which is hypocritical by claiming to be a representative democracy whilst making it impossible to represent certain views.

Corpulent Tosser said:

But to the point I think the leaders of the three leading parties is plenty for the debate.

That serves vested interest, not democracy.

We'd be better rid of all the established parties, rather than entrenching them (and their snouts) even further.

[mdm123]

Corpulent Tosser said:

fluffnik said:

glazbagun said:

Sinn Fein (5) (haven't taken their seats and cannot vote)

Cannot take their seats because, despite being democratically elected, to do so they would have to take an oath directly contrary to the platform on which they stood.

Democracy? Pah!

That being the case, which it is, aren't the elected representatives hypocrits for standing to take a place in a parliament which they had no intention of actually taking, and aren't the people who voted for then exceedingly stupid voting for a representative who will not represent them.

Edited by Corpulent Tosser on Wednesday 7th October 09:16

now now, don't be silly. They may not take their seats but they still claimed £400,000 in expenses

[glazbagun]

emicen said:

Televised national TV debate featuring the leaders of the Tories, Labour and LibDems. These are the parties with a real chance of ruling the UK.

Televised regional TV debates for Scotland and Wales, featuring the localised leaders of the main parties in those areas, Scottish Labout, SNP, Scottish Conservatives etc and the Welsh equivalents. Scottish and Welsh voters may wish to give these people a vote as regional governments have different proposals to the main Westminster government.

Rather simple/obvious is it not?

[Glasweigan conservative living in a Labour ghetto at the moment fwiw]

Sounds sensible enough. I must say, though, I'm wary of the idea of TV debates. Turnouts are pretty low for elections over here, but giving someone "an event" that people "vote for" might draw in the wrong crowd. The type of crowd who might be dazzled by a glitsy politician spreading fearmongering/doom/whatever as opposed to defending their own policies. Not that that doesn't happen with paid for and completely biased Party Political Broadcasts at the moment, but most people just turn over when they come one.

I can imagine if this thing becomes newsworthy, it might become the one-stop-shop for people deciding who they vote for. It might increase the turnout, but I'm not so sure that the "new voters" will take their vote as seriously. I guess that's still better than "my Dad voted Labour/Tory, so I will, though.

[Halb]

fluffnik said:

glazbagun said:

Judging by the results of this thread:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

perhaps they should stand in England.

I've often thought there should be joint SNP/PC candidates in English by-elections standing on an "Independence for England" platform.

They might do quite well.

A SNP/English Democratic alliance?