Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

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Bacardi

2,033 posts

240 months

Friday 9th December 2011
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mybrainhurts said:
Yes it was...

Paper wine bottles...Oh, joy, we're saved
OK, I grant you, that made me chuckle, 10% saving of CO2... we are saved!

LongQ

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13,864 posts

197 months

Friday 9th December 2011
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I find it difficult to believe that having Prescott support something is a positive for the proponents.

Something else I found difficult to believe was that the BBC put a photo of the burning Scottish windymill thingy on the front of the news pages on the web site. Did it slip through or is there some other spin following behind it I wonder?

mybrainhurts

90,225 posts

219 months

Friday 9th December 2011
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Oh dear...

Windymills don't work in storms either...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-16094360


LongQ

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13,864 posts

197 months

Friday 9th December 2011
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Energy output watch time again folks.

Here's the link.

http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm

The wind stuff was doing quite well for once until the storms arrived and the output dropped off a cliff. Seems to be recovering somewhat but provided just 4.6% of demand in the past 24hrs. Not much more than the combined efforts of the French and Dutch interconnects and they were transmitting rather than receiving for some of the time.

Hmm.


Jasandjules

65,971 posts

193 months

Friday 9th December 2011
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LongQ said:
Did it slip through or is there some other spin following behind it I wonder?
I don't think it's going to be spinning for a while.

AND, can we also make sure that we don't give in to the Labour b****it machine, it's not spin, it's lies. Simple as that.

turbobloke

92,861 posts

224 months

Friday 9th December 2011
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The BBC and Climate Change: A Triple Betrayal

A new report, published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation, reveals that the BBC has failed in its professional duty to report accurately and objectively on the issue of climate change, one of the biggest scientific and political stories of our time.

Written by Christopher Booker, one of the UK's most seasoned journalists, the report critically reviews the BBC’s coverage of climate change issues against its statutory obligation to report ‘with due accuracy and impartiality’.

His report, The BBC and Climate Change: A Triple Betrayal, shows that the BBC has not only failed in its professional duty to report fully and accurately: it has betrayed its own principles, in three respects:

  • First, it has betrayed its statutory obligation to be impartial, using the excuse that any dissent from the official orthodoxy was so insignificant that it should just be ignored or made to look ridiculous.
  • Second, it has betrayed the principles of responsible journalism, by allowing its coverage to become so one-sided that it has too often amounted to no more than propaganda.
  • Third, it has betrayed the fundamental principles of science, which relies on unrelenting scepticism towards any theory until it can be shown to provide a comprehensive explanation for the observed evidence.
"Above all, the BBC has been guilty of abusing the trust of its audience, and of all those compelled to pay for it. On one of the most important and far-reaching issues of our time, its coverage has been so tendentious that it has given its viewers a picture not just misleading but at times even fraudulent," Christopher Booker said.

In the foreword to the GWPF report, Sir Antony Jay writes:

"The costs to Britain of trying to combat global warming are horrifying, and the BBC’s role in promoting the alarmist cause is, quite simply, shameful."

The full report is available:

http://thegwpf.org/images/stories/gwpf-reports/boo...

dickymint

19,299 posts

222 months

Friday 9th December 2011
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Thanks Turbs 3 hours reading for me. rolleyes


wink


Out of interest I did a search for "pension" in the document. Very surprised not to find a mention.

Any way back to me homework. thumbup

LongQ

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13,864 posts

197 months

Friday 9th December 2011
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Jasandjules said:
LongQ said:
Did it slip through or is there some other spin following behind it I wonder?
I don't think it's going to be spinning for a while.

AND, can we also make sure that we don't give in to the Labour b****it machine, it's not spin, it's lies. Simple as that.
I thought the words 'spin' and 'lies' were interchangeable these days, at least in terms of public perception.

The burning windymill made the front page of the Daily Mail today. Much of Page 6 also given over to the wind energy story and includes a photo of one somewhere else that blew over, seemingly separating from its base.

This was an interesting column too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2071816/...

Tom Utley is, it would seem, a former school acquaintance of Chris Huhne and makes an interesting comment.

And yes, I know it's the Mail but sometimes one has to put prejudice aside just in case it is deliverying something sensible. (Skip the Entertainment, Health and Women's pages plus most of their campaign fluff, even if the campaign seems to be something you might support, and once in a while they come up with some reasonable stuff that seems to go beyond regurgitating the press releases of others.)

convert

3,699 posts

182 months

Friday 9th December 2011
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mybrainhurts said:
Oh dear...

Windymills don't work in storms either...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-16094360

I wonder if Chris Huhne plays Violin wink

chris watton

22,288 posts

224 months

Friday 9th December 2011
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"Exclusive: UN Climate Draft Text Demands 'New International Climate Court' to compel reparations for 'climate debt' -- Also seeks 'rights of Mother Earth' & 2C° drop in global temps"

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/14072/Exclusive-UN-C...

Dear lord!

(...or should that be 'Gaia', lest I get imprisoned...)

mybrainhurts

90,225 posts

219 months

Friday 9th December 2011
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convert said:
mybrainhurts said:
Oh dear...

Windymills don't work in storms either...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-16094360

I wonder if Chris Huhne plays Violin wink
Those things are sited on Liverpool docks and many people gather beneath one to board cruise ships. If it blew apart like that, there'd be a goodly number of casualties.

turbobloke

92,861 posts

224 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Huhne 'fights to cost Britain £6bn'

Click

nelly1

5,546 posts

195 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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I sicerely hope that the more lunatic the demands these fruitcakes make, the less chance they have of becoming reality.

Snippets like this from the catchy 'Ad Hoc Working Group on Long-term Cooperative Action under the Convention'...

17. Reduce global greenhouse gas emissions more than 100 per cent by 2040 by Annex 
I Parties; sustained by short-term mitigation by Annex I Parties of more than 50 per cent by
2017; ensuring stabilization of the global temperature at a maximum of a 1 degree Celsius
increase


18. Decides that Annex I Parties, in accordance with their commitments to Article 4,
paragraph 2, of the Convention, undertake ambitious national economy-wide binding
targets for quantified emission reduction commitments of at least 50 per cent of their
domestic greenhouse gas emissions during the period 2013 to 2017 and by more than 100
per cent before 2040, compared with their 1990 levels


Yup - "...more than 100%"!

Back to the Stone Age for us.

silly

Happy82

13,278 posts

133 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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I hope they'll make a stand and be the first to stop breathing hehe

nelly1

5,546 posts

195 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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I can see the economic powerhouses of the east quaking in their boots at this...

Rights of mother earth

74. Ensure respect for the intrinsic laws of nature.

75. The recognition and defence of the rights of Mother Earth to ensure harmony
between humanity and nature, and that their will be no commodification of the functions of
nature, therefore no carbon market will be developed with that purpose.


"commodification"?!?

nelly1

5,546 posts

195 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Oh, go on then; one more...

Warfare

80. Stopping wars, defending lives and ceasing destructive activities will protect the
climate system; conflict-related activities emit significant greenhouse gas emissions to the
atmosphere.

81. The guarantee that all Parties shall cease destructive activities that contribute to
climate change, in particular the activities of warfare, production of materials and services
that support warfare, and to divert associated financial resources and investments into the
shared global effort to combat a common enemy: climate change.


The common enemy?













The Judean People's Front?


Diderot

4,337 posts

156 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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No commodification - errr so no agriculture then. No lentils either. What'll they eat?

turbobloke

92,861 posts

224 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Diderot said:
No commodification - errr so no agriculture then. No lentils either. What'll they eat?
Recycled yoghurt made with naturally colonised and cultured udder drips from free range cows.

Yum.

Diderot

4,337 posts

156 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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turbobloke said:
Diderot said:
No commodification - errr so no agriculture then. No lentils either. What'll they eat?
Recycled yoghurt made with naturally colonised and cultured udder drips from free range cows.

Yum.
Hehe

But where are they going to get the neodymium and concrete and metal stuff for those windymills from?

MilnerR

8,273 posts

222 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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So politicians can't control the economy, but they can control the weather rofl


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