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I upgraded toV3 Tado so I could add the Tado radiator valves. My geofencing went from auto to sending me a notification telling me I’m nearly home and asking if I wanted to turn the heating on.
That’s fine for most of the year so rather than pay the annual fee I just pay for three or four months over winter when the auto geofencing functionality is useful.
That’s fine for most of the year so rather than pay the annual fee I just pay for three or four months over winter when the auto geofencing functionality is useful.
I'm trying to fit a third party controller to a Worcester Bosch Greenstar Combi boiler which has a DT10RF programmer fitted (with the associated receiver unit in the boiler) and I can't work out how to disable the receiver to give the switched live connection control of the central heating. Do I need to remove the receiver from the front of the boiler (I don't have a blanking plate) or is there a way to bypass it?
ScottJB said:
A heads up that Amazon have a deal on 4 x Tado TRVs today. £134
https://www.amazon.co.uk/tado%C2%B0-Radiator-Therm...
That was a good price. I paid £149 each for my 2x 4 packs earlier this year.https://www.amazon.co.uk/tado%C2%B0-Radiator-Therm...
paulrockliffe said:
Tado just messaged to say I can have 30% off their new app, just £14 to upgrade everyone on my home setup.
Do I want to do this?
It says I can continue to to use automated geofencing. Are they going to remove that from my existing setup? Are there any nasties in the new setup that mean they'll extort more money from me down the line?
Ta.
They stated when this was launched that the existing (old) functionality would not change, so unless you want some of the new features then you don't need to. I haven't, and won't be.Do I want to do this?
It says I can continue to to use automated geofencing. Are they going to remove that from my existing setup? Are there any nasties in the new setup that mean they'll extort more money from me down the line?
Ta.
paralla said:
I upgraded toV3 Tado so I could add the Tado radiator valves. My geofencing went from auto to sending me a notification telling me I’m nearly home and asking if I wanted to turn the heating on.
That’s fine for most of the year so rather than pay the annual fee I just pay for three or four months over winter when the auto geofencing functionality is useful.
I did not need to upgrade to V3 to add the TRVs to my existing old system, they just worked.That’s fine for most of the year so rather than pay the annual fee I just pay for three or four months over winter when the auto geofencing functionality is useful.
paralla said:
I upgraded toV3 Tado so I could add the Tado radiator valves. My geofencing went from auto to sending me a notification telling me I’m nearly home and asking if I wanted to turn the heating on.
That’s fine for most of the year so rather than pay the annual fee I just pay for three or four months over winter when the auto geofencing functionality is useful.
Yes, I stupidly went for the yearly and now realise I could just opt in for £3 a month for the winter and leave it off in summer. I do have aircon though so wondered if the same app may work with their cooler kit? That’s fine for most of the year so rather than pay the annual fee I just pay for three or four months over winter when the auto geofencing functionality is useful.
So far, though, really impressed with the kit I got. Not so with Tado whom I bought a new additional stat for the other zone 10 days ago and still not here!
Some info on evohome/future development for any interested. From automated home forums.
"Sorry been away - other stuff etc. So dipping in.
evohome is still being developed, supported and marketed. It is still a best seller for us across 20+ counties (ironically part of the challenge, as we have been launching it across Europe and beyond) and our best performing thermostat. I have seen the phrase 'if it ain't broke . . ' which is kind of true. Many other countries in the last few years (especially eastern regions) have benefitted. That said, even if it isn't broke, we do understand the need to maintain it and help carry on the investment. So we are sympathetic to the recent posts and I hope the following post helps.
We cannot go into to many details. But I am posting this thread to this loyal group to give some future insight - especially when I read some of the recent posts. Some of it maybe not new news but what we give is as much as we can give right now.
One thing is resolute throughout this - we don't treat home heating systems in fast and careless way. So even the most basic development which is invisible to the outside world is security and stress tested in ways which you cannot imagine. (Keeping up with just the home partner API's (Google / Amazon etc) is fulltime job alone) We don't want to lose the trust of millions of users we have. So every development is carefully considered.
We are proud to still have what we believe is the most reliable, secure and best performing system which customers 6+ years on still can claim was a great investment. Investing £1000+ in a heating system, shouldn't be considered the same as a bi-annual shiny phone. If you want something to play with and change every six months, evohome probably isn't the right product for you.
Anyway here is some news.
App
Yup lots of app stuff happening - short story - we are working to one global app experience. Which covers the whole home (not just temp) experience, and it globally adoptable, across languages. This will make data management, home management and other development benefits available to all. So for existing software and notification updates development on platforms soon to be made redundant are not planned, for obvious reasons.
evohome firmware
The team are working on the next big update. They have been working with feedback from the forum along with other feedback/research in the field to see how to improve the performance of what is already best in class leveraging nearly 6 years' worth of continued insight. I can disclose the updates will be around 2 main visible areas, Zone Scaling (name TBC) and Weather Compensation. Dev team are in final testing and hoping to have a roll out in Q2 (once we captured full season testing / change patterns and across all countries). It will launch when its ready.
evohome - hardware
Can't say a lot. But our mantra has been to make sure people carry on and realise their investment where possible. So we are developing 'satellite' add-ons which will help evohome to integrate into the new energy control spaces (heat pumps etc)
Support
We have spent A LOT in developing our support mechanisms - so please utilise the support team (03001301299) - if you need it. We don't sell evohome directly. So going through your trusted installer / professional should be first port of call if you bought via that route. We invest in training heavily so they are there to assist and advise."
"Sorry been away - other stuff etc. So dipping in.
evohome is still being developed, supported and marketed. It is still a best seller for us across 20+ counties (ironically part of the challenge, as we have been launching it across Europe and beyond) and our best performing thermostat. I have seen the phrase 'if it ain't broke . . ' which is kind of true. Many other countries in the last few years (especially eastern regions) have benefitted. That said, even if it isn't broke, we do understand the need to maintain it and help carry on the investment. So we are sympathetic to the recent posts and I hope the following post helps.
We cannot go into to many details. But I am posting this thread to this loyal group to give some future insight - especially when I read some of the recent posts. Some of it maybe not new news but what we give is as much as we can give right now.
One thing is resolute throughout this - we don't treat home heating systems in fast and careless way. So even the most basic development which is invisible to the outside world is security and stress tested in ways which you cannot imagine. (Keeping up with just the home partner API's (Google / Amazon etc) is fulltime job alone) We don't want to lose the trust of millions of users we have. So every development is carefully considered.
We are proud to still have what we believe is the most reliable, secure and best performing system which customers 6+ years on still can claim was a great investment. Investing £1000+ in a heating system, shouldn't be considered the same as a bi-annual shiny phone. If you want something to play with and change every six months, evohome probably isn't the right product for you.
Anyway here is some news.
App
Yup lots of app stuff happening - short story - we are working to one global app experience. Which covers the whole home (not just temp) experience, and it globally adoptable, across languages. This will make data management, home management and other development benefits available to all. So for existing software and notification updates development on platforms soon to be made redundant are not planned, for obvious reasons.
evohome firmware
The team are working on the next big update. They have been working with feedback from the forum along with other feedback/research in the field to see how to improve the performance of what is already best in class leveraging nearly 6 years' worth of continued insight. I can disclose the updates will be around 2 main visible areas, Zone Scaling (name TBC) and Weather Compensation. Dev team are in final testing and hoping to have a roll out in Q2 (once we captured full season testing / change patterns and across all countries). It will launch when its ready.
evohome - hardware
Can't say a lot. But our mantra has been to make sure people carry on and realise their investment where possible. So we are developing 'satellite' add-ons which will help evohome to integrate into the new energy control spaces (heat pumps etc)
Support
We have spent A LOT in developing our support mechanisms - so please utilise the support team (03001301299) - if you need it. We don't sell evohome directly. So going through your trusted installer / professional should be first port of call if you bought via that route. We invest in training heavily so they are there to assist and advise."
dmsims said:
I think they understand that most current evohome users have invested alot of money and need it to perform for years for payback, so with that said the new add on stuff will probably work with existing (like you say) and gives new and old consumers a chance to modernise the system.I'm up for that personally!
poo at Paul's said:
Yes, I stupidly went for the yearly and now realise I could just opt in for £3 a month for the winter and leave it off in summer. I do have aircon though so wondered if the same app may work with their cooler kit?
So far, though, really impressed with the kit I got. Not so with Tado whom I bought a new additional stat for the other zone 10 days ago and still not here!
Yep, same app and stupid easy to configure the aircon as long as it is IR controlled. So far, though, really impressed with the kit I got. Not so with Tado whom I bought a new additional stat for the other zone 10 days ago and still not here!
So far their customer service has been great - I have had them tell me two radiator TRV heads were faulty, using up too much battery power and they will send replacements, could I kindly send the defective ones back once the new ones arrive?
Didn't bother and not a word since. so two free TRVs that I can't find fault with. They don't seem to be faulty in any way I notice.
And emails when something will need new batteries soon - two weeks or so ahead of time. In case, I presume, you live somewhere where AA batteries are not available.
Tado I love as a system, but the roadmap for future changes has vanished, and there seems to be little promised for the future - I couldn't care less about what exact breed of pollen is likely to be high in my street, I would like to see them integrate better with other devices, something they appear to have little interest in. Though the fact that their API is open source means that they can be linked in, it means a bit of work with OpenHAB et al or just use IFTTT.
Overall though - very happy, and wouldn't swap it for another system.
Could someone give me a steer on most cost effective way to do what we want?
We'd like to be able to control / program adjust heating / temps remotely although we're not bothered about geofencing or stuff like that.
We'd like to control multiple rooms - which looks like we need independently controllable TRV's
and I think that's about it.
We have some amazon dots but we're in no way bought into the ecosystem.
We have 12 rads, of which we'd like to directly control 5 or 6 - the others we could leave on the standard TRV's and wouldn't be too bothered if they drew heat when one of the other ones was demanding heat.
So is Hive / Nest / Tado / Evohome the best way to go?
Which is cheapest?
Which is best?
We'd like to be able to control / program adjust heating / temps remotely although we're not bothered about geofencing or stuff like that.
We'd like to control multiple rooms - which looks like we need independently controllable TRV's
and I think that's about it.
We have some amazon dots but we're in no way bought into the ecosystem.
We have 12 rads, of which we'd like to directly control 5 or 6 - the others we could leave on the standard TRV's and wouldn't be too bothered if they drew heat when one of the other ones was demanding heat.
So is Hive / Nest / Tado / Evohome the best way to go?
Which is cheapest?
Which is best?
Edited by Dan_1981 on Friday 24th January 09:05
Wiser is cheapest.
Evohome is probably still best.
I bought our Wiser stuff for £100 for the starter kit (which includes two TRVs) and about £33 each for the additional TRVs. Except for one TRV head which was dead on arrival and a few dodgy existing TRV bodies which I've had to replace, It's worked flawlessly so far. It's pretty basic, but it does everything you say you want.
Edited by kambites on Friday 24th January 11:21
Dan_1981 said:
What do the others offer that Wiser doesn't?
I think Evohome has more configuration in terms of things like weather compensation and it natively supports geofencing, rather than having to use IFTTT for it. Arguably the biggest difference is that Evohome can be fully configured and used via its main thermostat unit whereas for Wiser you have to use the App if you want to change anything beyond boosting a single room for a fixed period. The Wiser app feels a bit... clunky too. It works and does the basics, but the interface isn't great.
Some people have also had serious range issues with Wiser, although we've had no problem (in a house which requires multiple wifi extenders). I think in the main, the range issues have been fixed by firmware updates. I think Drayton shot themselves in the foot by releasing the problem before it was really ready.
S6PNJ said:
You missed Wiser ( by Drayton) off your list. It can be remotely controlled very easily (I do it from my phone when away from our home).
......and will work with Google home and I guess the Amazon one. I use this quite a lot as I live on my own and am too tight to heat an empty house.I am about six months in to ownership now and have a system with about 20 TRVs (I think), so far it has worked as it should.
Ben
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