Moving a neighbours fence
Discussion
Henners said:
TheAngryDog said:
I think it is absolutely bat s
t crazy that someone can effectively steal your land, but even more so that people say to do nothing about it. The neighbour sounds unreasonable, if the OP doesn't sort this then I see it as the start of a long and potentially miserable time for him, as the neighbour will continue to take liberties. It needs nipping in the bud now, whether that is amicably or down the legal route. If it ruins his neighbour financially then that sounds like a happy coincidence.
I wonder what would happen if nothing was done about it, the garage was built and should the OP come to sell, a solicitor spots this issue x years down the line...t crazy that someone can effectively steal your land, but even more so that people say to do nothing about it. The neighbour sounds unreasonable, if the OP doesn't sort this then I see it as the start of a long and potentially miserable time for him, as the neighbour will continue to take liberties. It needs nipping in the bud now, whether that is amicably or down the legal route. If it ruins his neighbour financially then that sounds like a happy coincidence. TheAngryDog said:
Henners said:
TheAngryDog said:
I think it is absolutely bat st crazy that someone can effectively steal your land, but even more so that people say to do nothing about it. The neighbour sounds unreasonable, if the OP doesn't sort this then I see it as the start of a long and potentially miserable time for him, as the neighbour will continue to take liberties. It needs nipping in the bud now, whether that is amicably or down the legal route. If it ruins his neighbour financially then that sounds like a happy coincidence.
I wonder what would happen if nothing was done about it, the garage was built and should the OP come to sell, a solicitor spots this issue x years down the line...t crazy that someone can effectively steal your land, but even more so that people say to do nothing about it. The neighbour sounds unreasonable, if the OP doesn't sort this then I see it as the start of a long and potentially miserable time for him, as the neighbour will continue to take liberties. It needs nipping in the bud now, whether that is amicably or down the legal route. If it ruins his neighbour financially then that sounds like a happy coincidence. TwistingMyMelon said:
TheAngryDog said:
Henners said:
TheAngryDog said:
I think it is absolutely bat st crazy that someone can effectively steal your land, but even more so that people say to do nothing about it. The neighbour sounds unreasonable, if the OP doesn't sort this then I see it as the start of a long and potentially miserable time for him, as the neighbour will continue to take liberties. It needs nipping in the bud now, whether that is amicably or down the legal route. If it ruins his neighbour financially then that sounds like a happy coincidence.
I wonder what would happen if nothing was done about it, the garage was built and should the OP come to sell, a solicitor spots this issue x years down the line...t crazy that someone can effectively steal your land, but even more so that people say to do nothing about it. The neighbour sounds unreasonable, if the OP doesn't sort this then I see it as the start of a long and potentially miserable time for him, as the neighbour will continue to take liberties. It needs nipping in the bud now, whether that is amicably or down the legal route. If it ruins his neighbour financially then that sounds like a happy coincidence. Wiccan of Darkness said:
Have you seen how much a 30ft tree costs? The cost of replacing a mature hedge/shrubbery on a like for like basis would be eye watering.
I read this thread yesterday before my wife came back from a (very cheap) nursery with two small trees. Extrapolating from their cost, the cost to replace a mature boundary hedge would indeed be absolutely eye-watering.
And no boundary hassle, he replaces your hedge where it was.
Simple and effective, he destroyed it, he replaces it, can't see any wriggle room.
IanA2 said:
Wiccan of Darkness said:
Have you seen how much a 30ft tree costs? The cost of replacing a mature hedge/shrubbery on a like for like basis would be eye watering.
I read this thread yesterday before my wife came back from a (very cheap) nursery with two small trees. Extrapolating from their cost, the cost to replace a mature boundary hedge would indeed be absolutely eye-watering.
And no boundary hassle, he replaces your hedge where it was.
Simple and effective, he destroyed it, he replaces it, can't see any wriggle room.
I used to work in our police ops room. We had many boundary dispute calls.
Essentially NOT a police matter but a civil one so consult a solicitor initially who can help and advise.
However....these disputes can easily escalate and aspects become a police matter. Neighbour can report you as causing criminal damage if you pull the fence down. Relationships deteriorate and a war of tit for tat escalates resulting in police called to intervene. We had some really childish behaviour in some cases and both parties told to grow up and not act like children in some cases.
So....legal advice and get evidence of the before and after to use by your so.i ivor with any and all documentation.
Get ready for a reaction from the neighbour and ask solicitor for how to deal with it.
Above all work hard at being restrained in your dealings so as not to give the neighbour grounds to claim against you. Not easy but by keeping that way you maintain the upper hand.
Best of luck!
Essentially NOT a police matter but a civil one so consult a solicitor initially who can help and advise.
However....these disputes can easily escalate and aspects become a police matter. Neighbour can report you as causing criminal damage if you pull the fence down. Relationships deteriorate and a war of tit for tat escalates resulting in police called to intervene. We had some really childish behaviour in some cases and both parties told to grow up and not act like children in some cases.
So....legal advice and get evidence of the before and after to use by your so.i ivor with any and all documentation.
Get ready for a reaction from the neighbour and ask solicitor for how to deal with it.
Above all work hard at being restrained in your dealings so as not to give the neighbour grounds to claim against you. Not easy but by keeping that way you maintain the upper hand.
Best of luck!
sospan said:
I used to work in our police ops room. We had many boundary dispute calls.
Essentially NOT a police matter but a civil one so consult a solicitor initially who can help and advise.
However....these disputes can easily escalate and aspects become a police matter. Neighbour can report you as causing criminal damage if you pull the fence down. Relationships deteriorate and a war of tit for tat escalates resulting in police called to intervene. We had some really childish behaviour in some cases and both parties told to grow up and not act like children in some cases.
So....legal advice and get evidence of the before and after to use by your so.i ivor with any and all documentation.
Get ready for a reaction from the neighbour and ask solicitor for how to deal with it.
Above all work hard at being restrained in your dealings so as not to give the neighbour grounds to claim against you. Not easy but by keeping that way you maintain the upper hand.
Best of luck!
But hasn't the neighbour already committed criminal damage by destroying the plants/bushes? Essentially NOT a police matter but a civil one so consult a solicitor initially who can help and advise.
However....these disputes can easily escalate and aspects become a police matter. Neighbour can report you as causing criminal damage if you pull the fence down. Relationships deteriorate and a war of tit for tat escalates resulting in police called to intervene. We had some really childish behaviour in some cases and both parties told to grow up and not act like children in some cases.
So....legal advice and get evidence of the before and after to use by your so.i ivor with any and all documentation.
Get ready for a reaction from the neighbour and ask solicitor for how to deal with it.
Above all work hard at being restrained in your dealings so as not to give the neighbour grounds to claim against you. Not easy but by keeping that way you maintain the upper hand.
Best of luck!
Why couldn't he just remove the fence which was illegally placed on his land if he chose to?
. . . because, as mentioned countless times, the aim is to behave maturely to maintain the upper hand, and NOT let emotions take hold, albeit the potentially more expensive route (solicitors etc). Any tit-for-tat behaviour has the potential to escalate very quickly in the wrong direction.
Digger said:
. . . because, as mentioned countless times, the aim is to behave maturely to maintain the upper hand, and NOT let emotions take hold, albeit the potentially more expensive route (solicitors etc). Any tit-for-tat behaviour has the potential to escalate very quickly in the wrong direction.
Yes of course, I'm not suggesting it is the best way of doing it, but it seems a bit odd if it turned out cutting down the bushes and placing a fence on the neighbours land isn't considered criminal damage when calling the police about it, yet ripping the fence out of your own land is? I assume it wasn't meant that way, but sospan wrote "Neighbour can report you as causing criminal damage if you pull the fence down.", doesn't this make it a criminal damage case that the bushes were all cut down without agreements up front?
Digger said:
Having said that, some edited highlights would be most welcome, so if the OP could kindly set up a covert camera facing the area for when it all kicks off, I’m sure we’d all be most grateful.
I second this and can recommend a good IP camera to use if you like 
IanA2 said:
I read this thread yesterday before my wife came back from a (very cheap) nursery with two small trees.
Extrapolating from their cost, the cost to replace a mature boundary hedge would indeed be absolutely eye-watering.
And no boundary hassle, he replaces your hedge where it was.
Simple and effective, he destroyed it, he replaces it, can't see any wriggle room.
OT, buying trees 'bare root' is a lot cheaper.Extrapolating from their cost, the cost to replace a mature boundary hedge would indeed be absolutely eye-watering.
And no boundary hassle, he replaces your hedge where it was.
Simple and effective, he destroyed it, he replaces it, can't see any wriggle room.
Lazermilk said:
But hasn't the neighbour already committed criminal damage by destroying the plants/bushes?
Why couldn't he just remove the fence which was illegally placed on his land if he chose to?
Interested in your answer to this sospan?? If one is criminal damage then so is the other...Why couldn't he just remove the fence which was illegally placed on his land if he chose to?
Dromedary. Yes, there is potential to claim the neighbour has committed criminal damage by cutting down the trees/shrubs on the OP property. However, this could be used as leverage by the solicitor to frighten the neighbour into back pedalling. Taking down the fence before an initial warning etc could be seen as tit-for-tat and cause the wrong route forward. Also, if the fence builders cut them down they could be made liable for actually doing the cutting. Again they might help out, if pressed, to indicate what the neighbour instructed them to do, hopefully in a written request/quote. It gets complicated indeed. Just be aware that despite knowing they are in the wrong the neighbours might dig their heels in. There was a local case to us here where someone either did not get good advice or ignored it, the case going to the High Court. They lost and ended up getting their home possessed to cover the victim neighbours costs and compensation.
So...just hope the early stages have the desired effect. The OP should get all this from his solicitor re how to proceed, ideally with an initial advice to start the process before the solicitor ramps it up and costs escalate.
So...just hope the early stages have the desired effect. The OP should get all this from his solicitor re how to proceed, ideally with an initial advice to start the process before the solicitor ramps it up and costs escalate.
not quite on the subject- but it might make you laugh
with regard to a social housing tenant- an officer of mine is trying to get her to cut her hedges.
tnt is refusing- saying the tops and sides of the hedges (obviously growing into her garden/on the fence line) are not within her garden.
you know, like every other normal person in the world treats as their own and cuts.
of course what should be a nice 5' high privet is about 12' high and looks like its exploding.
with regard to a social housing tenant- an officer of mine is trying to get her to cut her hedges.
tnt is refusing- saying the tops and sides of the hedges (obviously growing into her garden/on the fence line) are not within her garden.
you know, like every other normal person in the world treats as their own and cuts.
of course what should be a nice 5' high privet is about 12' high and looks like its exploding.
desolate said:
Both are.
If the police are there then one is active and they are more compelled to do something.
Depends on the copper. Most would be desperate to get away.
The first one does not negate the second, and there is likely to be more evidence of the second...If the police are there then one is active and they are more compelled to do something.
Depends on the copper. Most would be desperate to get away.
Bullies and people that take the piss know how to play the system if you retaliate and also know how much more effort it is to sort things out properly and hope you haven't got the means or patience to pursue it.
Toltec said:
IanA2 said:
I read this thread yesterday before my wife came back from a (very cheap) nursery with two small trees.
Extrapolating from their cost, the cost to replace a mature boundary hedge would indeed be absolutely eye-watering.
And no boundary hassle, he replaces your hedge where it was.
Simple and effective, he destroyed it, he replaces it, can't see any wriggle room.
OT, buying trees 'bare root' is a lot cheaper.Extrapolating from their cost, the cost to replace a mature boundary hedge would indeed be absolutely eye-watering.
And no boundary hassle, he replaces your hedge where it was.
Simple and effective, he destroyed it, he replaces it, can't see any wriggle room.
so 1870's or thereabouts, although I think the oak is around three hundred years old.
Many are fruit, peach, fig, apple, quince, pear, apricot, cherry amongst others.
But thanks for the advice anyway.
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