Is anyone moving now?

Is anyone moving now?

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156651

10,187 posts

49 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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fesuvious said:
You actually end that making the case for frustration.

You need to sit down with vendor/buyer.

Actually get round a table. Keep lawyers and agents out of it and talk, properly.

Unchartered waters untested times.

Take the contracts out of it for a moment. The world is (albeit temporarily) changed. Go communicate.
I spoke to the agent last week, refused to speak to the vendors about it, so no idea what their intention is (and no direct method of communication).

Discussions are one thing, but if agreement cannot be reached, then what?

Anyone have a view on whether it is reasonable for the buyer in such a circumstance to expect at least some contribution to their ongoing costs from the vendor? I can imagine we would be told to get lost if we asked for it, but not sure why we should be the ones shouldering the £1700 a month loss and not them.

156651

10,187 posts

49 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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V8 Stang said:
But you would still have to pay the rent surely if you did not move.


If i do not move on Thursday, i will end up having to pay both rent and a mortgage, which would not be affordable.
Presumably if you do not complete you do not have to pay your mortgage.

If you do complete but don't move, that's trickier.

fesuvious

6,234 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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I say this as a friend,

BULLst.

you're telling me you can't write to them, or knock the door, or look on social media?

I shall say to you as I have to thousands of movers. There is NO RULE preventing you from contacting them.

V8 Stang

4,132 posts

147 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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156651 said:
Presumably if you do not complete you do not have to pay your mortgage.

If you do complete but don't move, that's trickier.
I have already completed, just need to move everything so that i can move in and depart rental!

156651

10,187 posts

49 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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fesuvious said:
I say this as a friend,

BULLst.

you're telling me you can't write to them, or knock the door, or look on social media?

I shall say to you as I have to thousands of movers. There is NO RULE preventing you from contacting them.
Well I am not allowed outside so cannot knock on their door. They are in their 80s so doubt they have social media. I'm sure if I pressed hard enough I could get a telephone number out of the agent, but ultimately we still intend to move so if they are to have difficulties completing, they should reach out to us, not us to them.

No comment on who should be liable for costs? It isn't yet clear to me what the reasonable position to adopt is.

GT89

265 posts

77 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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Perfect timing for me to ask, for a friend not myself I hasten to add.

Chain was set to exchange last week, didn't happen and the buyers of their house (1st time threatened to pull out) they exchanged on risk.

We spent yesterday moving their house contents into storage, calling it a day around 1600. After listening to Boris we decided the best thing to do was complete moving all their stuff last night and them move into our spare room (this was always the plan incase exchange above didn't happen) at 0300 this morning we had moved everything in storage and got the hire van back home.

Solicitors/estate agents have said they are working remotely from home, doing remote key drops etc so don't see an issue with completing the chain on Friday.

I'm still very dubious about this happening but don't want to be the voice of doom.

They have not yet exchange the chain, the top of the chain want to exchange and complete the same day (friday)

What's the odds of all this happening ?

fesuvious

6,234 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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156651 said:
fesuvious said:
I say this as a friend,

BULLst.

you're telling me you can't write to them, or knock the door, or look on social media?

I shall say to you as I have to thousands of movers. There is NO RULE preventing you from contacting them.
Well I am not allowed outside so cannot knock on their door. They are in their 80s so doubt they have social media. I'm sure if I pressed hard enough I could get a telephone number out of the agent, but ultimately we still intend to move so if they are to have difficulties completing, they should reach out to us, not us to them.

No comment on who should be liable for costs? It isn't yet clear to me what the reasonable position to adopt is.
I agree.
However, they're in their eighties. Maybe they don't know how.

Reasonable? I don't know either. I suspect frustration might be your best option. Then again if you really want the house why not ask for a reduction of 'x' per month?

Personally, I feel your best option by far is to put thee legwork in and be nice, contact them.

Your posting comes across justifiably annoyed and peeved. This won't serve you well however for a great outcome.

Breathe, and please remember it isn't 'you VS them' . It's you, and them, both trying to move home

fesuvious

6,234 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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GT89 said:
Perfect timing for me to ask, for a friend not myself I hasten to add.

Chain was set to exchange last week, didn't happen and the buyers of their house (1st time threatened to pull out) they exchanged on risk.

We spent yesterday moving their house contents into storage, calling it a day around 1600. After listening to Boris we decided the best thing to do was complete moving all their stuff last night and them move into our spare room (this was always the plan incase exchange above didn't happen) at 0300 this morning we had moved everything in storage and got the hire van back home.

Solicitors/estate agents have said they are working remotely from home, doing remote key drops etc so don't see an issue with completing the chain on Friday.

I'm still very dubious about this happening but don't want to be the voice of doom.

They have not yet exchange the chain, the top of the chain want to exchange and complete the same day (friday)

What's the odds of all this happening ?
Legally, yes. CHAPS system working. All possible.

EA's shut, movers likely shut. So you won't have them.

Let's hope no contagion on surfaces in the house.....

GT89

265 posts

77 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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Ea have said at the moment they work from home making it ok, we self moved their stuff into storage.
One above put his stuff in storage yesterday as well but top of the chain have not

All received an email this morning saying movers can work still working within the 2m guidelines (personally this seems false to me)

fesuvious

6,234 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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HA!
No they're not.
They're ignoring MHCLG 'house moves' shouldn't happen.

Wholly irresponsible. I would imagine potentially has insurance implications given they're not essential and shouldn't be out.

Not too mention, contagion. Both ways. All items being handled, breathed on, coughed near etc etc etc. Mattresses, sofas, cushions, it's a long list. Plus surfaces in both properties.

Utterly barmy

And I haven't even started on the house the kit they're using was in the day before, and day before that

156651

10,187 posts

49 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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fesuvious said:
HA!
No they're not.
They're ignoring MHCLG 'house moves' shouldn't happen.

Wholly irresponsible. I would imagine potentially has insurance implications given they're not essential and shouldn't be out.

Not too mention, contagion. Both ways. All items being handled, breathed on, coughed near etc etc etc. Mattresses, sofas, cushions, it's a long list. Plus surfaces in both properties.

Utterly barmy
I think the risk of infections from items must be low. Online deliveries are allowed. We can buy food in supermarkets. Receive post. Go to work if necessary. Etc.

sir humphrey appleby

1,479 posts

186 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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We exchanged 3 weeks ago. Completing Friday. I spoke to removal co today. They said they will still come in, but we need to keep away.
I have the contract in front of me, if I cancel tomorrow they will keep 90% of the fee I paid. I would hope in the light of cv, they will wave this.
If it was cancelled I would try to hire a van and do it myself, if I could.
If they wouldn't waive the fee then presumably go down the court route, but I can't imagine a company would risk their reputation in doing so.

fesuvious

6,234 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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Point is this goes against all guidance and instruction.

I'm stunned public would want unknown individuals in their homes right now.

Not too mention the risks go the other way.

Sweaty palms, brows. And how do you as house holder know one of those guys doesn't have it?

Plus, those protective covers were in a different house yesterday.

The short period of lockdown should be respected. Or it will fk all of us up

Edited by fesuvious on Tuesday 24th March 22:06

the cueball

564 posts

19 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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fesuvious said:
Point is this goes against all guidance and instruction.

I'm stunned public would want unknown individuals in their homes right now.

Not too mention the risks go the other way.

Sweaty palms, brows. And how do you as house holder know one of those guys doesn't have it?

Plus, those protective covers were in a different house yesterday.

The short period of lockdown should be respected. Or it will fk all of us up

Edited by fesuvious on Tuesday 24th March 22:06
Basically what I said to the MIL.

everyone wanting her move to go ahead is making money from her.

None of them will pay for her funeral / grieve for her if someone gives her the virus that she will not survive given her age and condition.


Edited by the cueball on Wednesday 25th March 09:09

fesuvious

6,234 posts

205 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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Kev_Mk3

2,015 posts

59 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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Chrisgr31 said:
Kev_Mk3 said:
Most valuations are remote now not sending people to the property. saves costs for lenders
You sure? One reason for having a valuation is to ensure the property actually exists, isnt falling down etc. How do you do that remotely?
Yes I have had 2 done within the last month and a half. 1 on the house we are buying and 2 on my house i'm drawing funds from.

I was actually shocked TBH but apparently its very common. This is for valuation BTW. Survey's different matter if you have one done.




Our agents closed and are working from home. Cancelled the viewings we had booked on our property and can see why, to be rebooked at a later date. No actual idea whats going on with our purchase as we are waiting on the vendor now. We are going to send her a message today to see if everything is ok but we cant really move in with everything as i cant move it all on my own.

rdjohn

4,837 posts

159 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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The sister of a friend is moving to her new home today.

Another friend put his father’s bungalow on the market last week. Agent showed one round on Saturday, but now the agent is unable to show 2 other interested people around.

So, I guess things will complete, but new sales will dive.

MrVert

Original Poster:

3,679 posts

203 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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Blimey. Really feel for everyone on here with the current situation.

When I started this thread yesterday, it was only just coming into peoples thoughts that moves may not take place..and now..

Michael Gove now told people not to exchange...

156651

10,187 posts

49 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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Spoke to my conveyancer today, her view is that as of right now completions are going ahead (with quite a few already happened this week and two more today), albeit they are no longer advising clients to exchange. She doesn't foresee an immediate problem, but is going to talk to the vendor's solicitors. If there is an issue, she suggested to complete and seek to agree a licence to occupy. Not particularly comfortable with that tbh - who knows how long this might last, and we would own a house we hadn't seen since last November and that someone else was living in - whilst house prices might be crashing around us!

She wasn't keen on discussing the risk of frustration, for obvious reasons. It is something that we need to think about if the vendors cannot complete and agreement cannot be reached.

Michael Gove seems to say don't exchange but if you have, you can complete.

Edited by 156651 on Wednesday 25th March 10:12

156651

10,187 posts

49 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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156651 said:
Spoke to my conveyancer today, her view is that as of right now completions are going ahead (with quite a few already happened this week and two more today), albeit they are no longer advising clients to exchange. She doesn't foresee an immediate problem, but is going to talk to the vendor's solicitors. If there is an issue, she suggested to complete and seek to agree a licence to occupy. Not particularly comfortable with that tbh - who knows how long this might last, and we would own a house we hadn't seen since last November and that someone else was living in - whilst house prices might be crashing around us!

She wasn't keen on discussing the risk of frustration, for obvious reasons. It is something that we need to think about if the vendors cannot complete and agreement cannot be reached.

Michael Gove seems to say don't exchange but if you have, you can complete.

Edited by 156651 on Wednesday 25th March 10:12
Spoke to the agent: vendors (who are elderly and underlying health conditions) are in self-isolation and their family can therefore no longer help with the move. They have booked a removal company who are apparently able to do the move on 6 April. This seems very unlikely. Suggested we bring completion forward, but not sure how quickly solicitors can draw down funds and whether the developer of the new build they are buying can move as quickly too.

Difficult times.