Fitted Air conditioning

Fitted Air conditioning

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Andeh1

6,548 posts

174 months

Saturday 5th June
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Has anyone ever tried the ebay route, loads of place's offering supply & fit within xxmiles for a around £900?

ChocolateFrog

13,397 posts

141 months

Saturday 5th June
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mfmman said:
You may not plan to, but if you use that unit in heat pump mode it will rain freezing water on him and all over your window as well
Atleast that bit is another 1.5m from the neighbours. I guess he's unlikely to be sat outside if it's cold enough to put the heating on.

PhilboSE

2,659 posts

194 months

Saturday 5th June
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LocoBlade said:
My wife needs a split aircon unit fitted for year round heating/cooling in a ~30sqm outbuilding used for her business. The building is a brick built studio and reasonably well insulated with decent double glazing and loft insulation. I think it will be a simple install, the studio has it's own consumer unit with space on the bar if the unit is too juicy to be plugged in, there's space around the back for the outside unit to hang on the wall and only needs a 3-4m pipe runs to where the internal unit would be mounted on an external wall, so the condensate pipe can go straight back out and not require pumps etc.

We've had a quote to fit a 3.5kw Daikin FTXM35R for ~£1650 inc VAT from a local firm excluding electrics but she doesn't want to spend that kind of money so I started looking at alternatives including stuff mentioned here. I see that Cooleasy mentioned in this thread sell a 3.5kw easy fit Comfee unit for £500 and offer a commissioning service for £300 (they cover our area in Hants) which being less than half the cost of their install service I assume means I'd sort out the physical install mounting the units etc and they'd come in, check it over and connect up the gas pipework? Going this route works out under half the cost of the Daikin, so accepting the Daikin is probably a better quality unit and I'll have to do some donkey work it still seems a no brainer unless I'm missing something?
I’ve been quoted £1560 all in for a Panasonic split system for a similar sized garden room.

Cold Turkey chic

5,072 posts

88 months

Saturday 5th June
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LocoBlade said:
My wife needs a split aircon unit fitted for year round heating/cooling in a ~30sqm outbuilding used for her business. The building is a brick built studio and reasonably well insulated with decent double glazing and loft insulation. I think it will be a simple install, the studio has it's own consumer unit with space on the bar if the unit is too juicy to be plugged in, there's space around the back for the outside unit to hang on the wall and only needs a 3-4m pipe runs to where the internal unit would be mounted on an external wall, so the condensate pipe can go straight back out and not require pumps etc.

We've had a quote to fit a 3.5kw Daikin FTXM35R for ~£1650 inc VAT from a local firm excluding electrics but she doesn't want to spend that kind of money so I started looking at alternatives including stuff mentioned here. I see that Cooleasy mentioned in this thread sell a 3.5kw easy fit Comfee unit for £500 and offer a commissioning service for £300 (they cover our area in Hants) which being less than half the cost of their install service I assume means I'd sort out the physical install mounting the units etc and they'd come in, check it over and connect up the gas pipework? Going this route works out under half the cost of the Daikin, so accepting the Daikin is probably a better quality unit and I'll have to do some donkey work it still seems a no brainer unless I'm missing something?
In answer to both your and Andeh's questions - there is a risk of unexpected "add-ons" - if the commissioning engineer finds some crucial work that needs done, he's going to have you over a barrel for whatever he wants to do.
Andeh - are the Ebay guys actually F-gas registered, or just handymen who will fit the unit? Anyone DIY minded can do it themselves with no or minimal spend on tools, and the units very rarely fail - think of how many they bang out of the factory under various badges every year.

JustADay

185 posts

94 months

Saturday 5th June
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LocoBlade said:
I see that Cooleasy mentioned in this thread sell a 3.5kw easy fit Comfee unit for £500 and offer a commissioning service for £300 (they cover our area in Hants) which being less than half the cost of their install service I assume means I'd sort out the physical install mounting the units etc and they'd come in, check it over and connect up the gas pipework? Going this route works out under half the cost of the Daikin, so accepting the Daikin is probably a better quality unit and I'll have to do some donkey work it still seems a no brainer unless I'm missing something?
This is exactly what I did a few weeks ago. I went for the following model as the power is run to the internal unit which was easier for my installation:

https://www.cooleasy.co.uk/categories/easy-fit-air...

The Comfee range require power to the outside unit instead.

Cooleasy put me in touch with a local supplier who came and did the commissioning once I’d installed the unit. The guy checked the installation over, connected the outdoor end of the pipes and tidied them up, then did a pressure test, released the gas and provided an installation certificate so that I could activate the warranty. To be honest there wasn’t really anything he did that I couldn’t have, however given this was the first time I’ve installed one of these it was good to have it checked over.

I completely understand why people do the entire installation themselves, I think I could have too, but this approach gave a good compromise of a lower cost along with making sure I’d not messed anything up! The lowest price I’d had for having the whole thing installed was over £2k for a lower powered model so this was definitely a big saving.

LocoBlade

6,211 posts

224 months

Saturday 5th June
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Thanks all, looks like that's the way to go then.

JustADay, good to know your experience is exactly what I envisaged, I didn't look too closely at the different models they sell but good point about the wiring requirements of the Comfee, it also only comes with 3m of hose compared to 4m on the other you bought.

Also although the quote we had specced a 3.5kw unit that size seems to be marginal for a 30sqm room especially one that's detached from the house on its own so I may go for a larger 5kw unit as well.

JustADay said:
This is exactly what I did a few weeks ago. I went for the following model as the power is run to the internal unit which was easier for my installation:

https://www.cooleasy.co.uk/categories/easy-fit-air...

The Comfee range require power to the outside unit instead.

Cooleasy put me in touch with a local supplier who came and did the commissioning once I’d installed the unit. The guy checked the installation over, connected the outdoor end of the pipes and tidied them up, then did a pressure test, released the gas and provided an installation certificate so that I could activate the warranty. To be honest there wasn’t really anything he did that I couldn’t have, however given this was the first time I’ve installed one of these it was good to have it checked over.

I completely understand why people do the entire installation themselves, I think I could have too, but this approach gave a good compromise of a lower cost along with making sure I’d not messed anything up! The lowest price I’d had for having the whole thing installed was over £2k for a lower powered model so this was definitely a big saving.

eliot

9,519 posts

222 months

Saturday 5th June
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JustADay said:
This is exactly what I did a few weeks ago. I went for the following model as the power is run to the internal unit which was easier for my installation:

https://www.cooleasy.co.uk/categories/easy-fit-air...

The Comfee range require power to the outside unit instead.

Cooleasy put me in touch with a local supplier who came and did the commissioning once I’d installed the unit. The guy checked the installation over, connected the outdoor end of the pipes and tidied them up, then did a pressure test, released the gas and provided an installation certificate so that I could activate the warranty. To be honest there wasn’t really anything he did that I couldn’t have, however given this was the first time I’ve installed one of these it was good to have it checked over.

I completely understand why people do the entire installation themselves, I think I could have too, but this approach gave a good compromise of a lower cost along with making sure I’d not messed anything up! The lowest price I’d had for having the whole thing installed was over £2k for a lower powered model so this was definitely a big saving.
How much did the commissioning engineer cost?

LocoBlade

6,211 posts

224 months

Saturday 5th June
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Cooleasy say £250+VAT for commissioning

scottyp123

2,628 posts

24 months

Saturday 5th June
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Got a reply from me E-mail surprisingly.

It is new regulations that have come into force

We cannot despatch air con units without the F Gas installers details

Kind regards,

Alex

Senior Sales Advisor

JustADay

185 posts

94 months

Saturday 5th June
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eliot said:
How much did the commissioning engineer cost?
Yup, as above, £250. I got the impression that the amount they charge is dependant on the individual fitter and how much work you do yourself, i.e. if you put all the pipes in yourself so they don’t need to lift the indoor unit off the wall it saves a bit of time/cost.

LocoBlade

6,211 posts

224 months

Sunday 6th June
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JustADay said:
This is exactly what I did a few weeks ago. I went for the following model as the power is run to the internal unit which was easier for my installation:

https://www.cooleasy.co.uk/categories/easy-fit-air...
What's the WiFi solution like on this, is the app any good? Also does it need a dedicated electrical supply or does it plug in to a socket?


Edited by LocoBlade on Sunday 6th June 10:53

JustADay

185 posts

94 months

Sunday 6th June
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LocoBlade said:
What's the WiFi solution like on this, is the app any good? Also does it need a dedicated electrical supply or does it plug in to a socket?


Edited by LocoBlade on Sunday 6th June 10:53
To be honest I haven’t tried the WiFi, there is an app available however the manual also says it works with Google Home and Alexa so that’s probably an easier way.

The indoor unit came with a standard 3 core connection but without a plug, wires only. I wired it to a switched fused spur, however I don’t see why you couldn’t put a plug on the end as even at full load it only takes about 7A.

fastbikes76

2,309 posts

90 months

Sunday 6th June
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I have the app on my ElectriX 3 way split and it’s brilliant. I can turn the AC on/off and control temp etc from anywhere at all. Never dropped out and never failed yet. I did find a trick to seeing what the actual room temp was which they don’t usually show. If i just select ‘Fan’ mode it shows the room temp, so you can decide if you want to turn ac on remotely or not.


LocoBlade

6,211 posts

224 months

Sunday 6th June
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Cheers both. We've used Google Home routines before so that sounds like a way forward if the wife doesn't like the app for some reason.

Edited by LocoBlade on Sunday 6th June 12:51

Tlandcruiser

2,514 posts

166 months

Sunday 6th June
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How much do they cost to have regassed with R32?

Cold Turkey chic

5,072 posts

88 months

Sunday 6th June
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Tlandcruiser said:
How much do they cost to have regassed with R32?
That depends on why it degassed itself...

Tlandcruiser

2,514 posts

166 months

Sunday 6th June
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Cold Turkey chic said:
That depends on why it degassed itself...
If a pipe is split from building work or something similar

Cold Turkey chic

5,072 posts

88 months

Sunday 6th June
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Tlandcruiser said:
If a pipe is split from building work or something similar
You'll need an F-gas fitter which will be £300 up to start with, then add costs for any pipework he replaces, then add more for the gas (multi split or single unit?), then add more because it's summer and everyone suddenly wants air con. If it's a cheapie and you are DIY capable it might be cheaper to replace it with another cheapie.

Cleverley

42 posts

2 months

Sunday 6th June
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A local to you ac engineer shouldn’t cost nowhere near £300 to repair a unit, if it was a simple pipe split/damage

Call out, pressure test,repair,re test, vac out and re gas R410 or R32. Easy job and £250 plus vat is only for London I would of thought.

Back on the smack chic

5,072 posts

88 months

Sunday 6th June
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I'm far from London and far from London pricing, and you wouldn't get me coming near it for less than £300 in June!