Tenant broken boiler, refusing me access to check it

Tenant broken boiler, refusing me access to check it

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Groat

5,310 posts

79 months

Wednesday 12th May
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Bear-n said:
I'm not getting involved too much in this, but Groat you're not right in everything you say. Minor-ish details that you've got wrong throughout, but nevertheless you're not the oracle on this matter I'm afraid - and despite your extensive LL experience which I don't doubt, it would be nice to see bit of considered and informed advice rather than "OMG how STUPID are YOU!" and then give advice which has holes in it.

It's very tricky to unpick what's happened here, without the required detail (which none of us will get, including Mr Sheep), but I do feel for the OP and think he's being sensible in wanting the path of least resistance right now - as I mentioned before, if she's after a deposit and you think she's serious about moving, she has DHP avenue.

That post previously about the high court avenue was interesting - although I have no knowledge or idea as to whether it's currently supported by legislation.
You're probably right. But please do be more specific about these 'minor -ish details.' I've given him what I can based on the details available which is far from either consistent or complete. And it would be rather more 'helpful' if you could straighten out my minor-ish mistakes and add in some advice on how to get his rent sorted.

IF this UC rent disaster turns out to be error on UC's part (which I doubt) he MAY have a chance of getting it repaid to him. But on what's been described I'd say they're going to turn round and say "no mate, we had no idea this was going on because nobody made us aware of it". Time will tell.

Incidentally, if you think in the circumstances she'll get anywhere near a DHP payment given she's already misappropriated some 1000's of ££s of HB money, whether by 'overpayment' or simply retaining rather than paying it, you're dreaming.



Chipstick

132 posts

8 months

Wednesday 12th May
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Are you going to continue using the agent in the mean time?

Keep on to UC. Ring write ring write.

This has been a matter of principle for months now, keep at it.


thebraketester

11,325 posts

106 months

Wednesday 12th May
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TheBinarySheep said:
Response from tenant.

"See you in court"

Looking forward to it.
More lies. They won’t turn up.

Groat

5,310 posts

79 months

Wednesday 12th May
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TheBinarySheep said:
Response from tenant.

"See you in court"

Looking forward to it.
When's the preliminary hearing?

Tankrizzo

5,990 posts

161 months

Wednesday 12th May
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TheBinarySheep said:
Response from tenant.

"See you in court"

Looking forward to it.
They won't show. There will be some inevitable sob story and the court date will get pushed back as many times as they can manage.

These people are utter scum.

eldar

16,676 posts

164 months

Wednesday 12th May
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TheBinarySheep said:
eldar said:
Landlord action, detailed by nikaiyo2 at 16:34.
ah you mean the people that we engaged to issue a section 8? Advice I didn't ignore BTW.
Fair enough, hope it goes well & quickly.

Muzzer79

5,056 posts

155 months

Thursday 13th May
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Bear-n said:
I'm not getting involved too much in this, but Groat you're not right in everything you say. Minor-ish details that you've got wrong throughout, but nevertheless you're not the oracle on this matter I'm afraid - and despite your extensive LL experience which I don't doubt, it would be nice to see bit of considered and informed advice rather than "OMG how STUPID are YOU!" and then give advice which has holes in it.
The OP has had multiple constructive suggestions throughout this thread on how to sort out his issue but has (intentionally or not) ignored a lot of the advice.

Frustration is therefore building amongst those trying to give advice especially when he is then considering paying the tenant, who owes him thousands in rent, to leave.

I feel for the OP - he's out of his depth. But stick at it Binary - you'll win in the end.


NickCQ

4,714 posts

64 months

Thursday 13th May
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Muzzer79 said:
he is then considering paying the tenant, who owes him thousands in rent, to leave.
Wasn't this Groat's advice early on? Meet them in person (with backup), get them out and put a couple of hundred quid in their pocket for them to be on their way?

Simpo Two

75,682 posts

233 months

Thursday 13th May
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thebraketester said:
TheBinarySheep said:
Response from tenant.

"See you in court"

Looking forward to it.
More lies. They won’t turn up.
Makes it easier - the judge is almost certain to find in your favour. They might appeal the judgement saying they didn't get the letter, but that defence can't last forever.

Groat

5,310 posts

79 months

Thursday 13th May
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Muzzer79 said:
The OP has had multiple constructive suggestions throughout this thread on how to sort out his issue but has (intentionally or not) ignored a lot of the advice.

Frustration is therefore building amongst those trying to give advice especially when he is then considering paying the tenant, who owes him thousands in rent, to leave.

I feel for the OP - he's out of his depth. But stick at it Binary - you'll win in the end
100%. It's a good feeling returning these back to normal operation - a bit like equity investors must feel following a crash or a year of bad performance etc.

Of course he might become convinced to abandon the rent pursuit, run up the eviction costs and sell the thing at a thumping loss.

Truly, who knows?

ETA: That carry-on with the 'agent' - paying them retainer fee for apparently doing nothing effective - is just batst crackers. What s they must be.

Edited by Groat on Thursday 13th May 13:15

TheBinarySheep

Original Poster:

568 posts

19 months

Friday 18th June
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Not much of an update, but we've finally managed to get Universal Credit to setup payment to us.

I submitted a UC47 back in January, but the tenants circumstances changes days later and the payment arrangement was cancelled without anyone telling me. I submitted another UC47, and after not hearing anything from UC I spent 3-4 weeks constantly ringing them to get it sorted. Apparently they had no record of my second UC47 despite me providing evidence that I'd submitted it successfully via their website. Got a phone call a couple of days ago to finally confirm they've setup up the rent to come to us as from next month, along with extra payment to arrears.

We've also heard that the local council has set aside £6m which they're going to use the buy some of the properties, knock them down and sell the land onto developers. We're hoping that doesn't impact our ability to sell the property, because who's going to buy it knowing that potentially could be pulled down in the not so distant future. If we had some idea of when the council plans to start pulling these houses down, it might have made sense to leave the tenant in while we're getting rent and let the council buy it, but I suspect it could be years away.

Link to an article discussing regeneration of the area https://www.eastdurhamnews.co.uk/2021/03/23/6m-reg...

Fastpedeller

3,377 posts

114 months

Friday 18th June
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OP - try to get the 'inside view' (maybe speak to council officers and express your interest in the area regeneration?), however you do it, try to get as much info as possible and 'make some buddies' in high places and be first in the queue when payments for properties become available. If you have a sitting tenant the authorities or developer may be forced or inclined to offer a higher price. If you don't ask you probably won't get!

Mr Pointy

8,458 posts

127 months

Friday 18th June
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That's good news OP. I admire your stoicism in the face of such a stty situation with both your tenants & the responses from some posters on here.

SydneyBridge

5,932 posts

126 months

Friday 18th June
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Do reckon the tenant will think it is time to move out when the diggers start rolling up...

lonny

347 posts

211 months

Friday 18th June
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Chat to the councillor for the ward - they should have/be able to get all the info about future plans for the area.

TheBinarySheep

Original Poster:

568 posts

19 months

Friday 18th June
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Now that we're going to be getting rent, we were thinking of trying to sell the property with the tenant in place, but I guess that's going to be almost impossible if we can't get access to the property as we'll need photographs and I'm assuming any purchaser will want to carry out their own checks/survey.

Meeten-5dulx

1,713 posts

24 months

Friday 18th June
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TheBinarySheep said:
Now that we're going to be getting rent, we were thinking of trying to sell the property with the tenant in place, but I guess that's going to be almost impossible if we can't get access to the property as we'll need photographs and I'm assuming any purchaser will want to carry out their own checks/survey.
Or just let it lie, collect the rent and when the council come to bulldoze the place, hope the tennants are still inside ......

On a more seriosu note, I'm glad that you arenow being paid - I'm sure you will be keeping a close eye on this going forward!

NickCQ

4,714 posts

64 months

Friday 18th June
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TheBinarySheep said:
Now that we're going to be getting rent, we were thinking of trying to sell the property with the tenant in place, but I guess that's going to be almost impossible if we can't get access to the property as we'll need photographs and I'm assuming any purchaser will want to carry out their own checks/survey.
Unless you need the cash I would just let the rent accumulate. Compulsory purchase won't be for years and it's not a terrible outcome anyway. You'll end up disclosing the history with the tenant which will put your property squarely into the "below market value" bucket at auction.

bristoltype603

219 posts

15 months

Friday 18th June
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Well done OP! Congratulations on struggling through with this. Also it sounds with compulsory purchase on the horizon that you may have a golden parashute out of this.

Joe M

511 posts

213 months

Friday 18th June
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TheBinarySheep said:
Not much of an update, but we've finally managed to get Universal Credit to setup payment to us.

I submitted a UC47 back in January, but the tenants circumstances changes days later and the payment arrangement was cancelled without anyone telling me. I submitted another UC47, and after not hearing anything from UC I spent 3-4 weeks constantly ringing them to get it sorted. Apparently they had no record of my second UC47 despite me providing evidence that I'd submitted it successfully via their website. Got a phone call a couple of days ago to finally confirm they've setup up the rent to come to us as from next month, along with extra payment to arrears.

We've also heard that the local council has set aside £6m which they're going to use the buy some of the properties, knock them down and sell the land onto developers. We're hoping that doesn't impact our ability to sell the property, because who's going to buy it knowing that potentially could be pulled down in the not so distant future. If we had some idea of when the council plans to start pulling these houses down, it might have made sense to leave the tenant in while we're getting rent and let the council buy it, but I suspect it could be years away.

Link to an article discussing regeneration of the area https://www.eastdurhamnews.co.uk/2021/03/23/6m-reg...
Are the tenants "circumstances" about to change again?