Wood Burners and Installation

Wood Burners and Installation

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Acorn1

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902 posts

28 months

Thursday 28th November
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I currently have an elderly gas fire in an awful fireplace at the moment. There is no chimney and the gas fire is just vented through the outside wall.

What sort of money should i be expecting to pay to replace it with a wood burner?

Is it something I would need a specialist for or would a good local bulder be able to do it if i bought the stove seperately?

TIA


Simpo Two

87,186 posts

273 months

Thursday 28th November
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Depends how many laws you want to break!

You could choose the stove you like, carefully note the installation requirements eg clearances, and pass them to the builder so they can build something that's safe and effective. At least you don't have a flue to worry about, which is what most people have kittens over.

Road2Ruin

5,517 posts

224 months

Thursday 28th November
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Simpo Two said:
Depends how many laws you want to break!

You could choose the stove you like, carefully note the installation requirements eg clearances, and pass them to the builder so they can build something that's safe and effective. At least you don't have a flue to worry about, which is what most people have kittens over.
No flue! How are they going to vent the gas and smoke? Not sure you can do it the same way a balanced flue works with a gas fire.

trickywoo

12,389 posts

238 months

Thursday 28th November
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If you can run a flue up the wall you'd be looking at £3k to start depending on the burner you go for.

It would be very easy to spend a lot more too.

Lotobear

7,204 posts

136 months

Thursday 28th November
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trickywoo said:
If you can run a flue up the wall you'd be looking at £3k to start depending on the burner you go for.

It would be very easy to spend a lot more too.
Agreed, was going to pitch around the same as a realistic budget

...twin wall flues can get expensive especially the bends and offsets

and OP you need a HETAS installer and building regulations will apply.

Lotobear

7,204 posts

136 months

Thursday 28th November
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...and if you get a cowboy this can happen




dickymint

25,943 posts

266 months

Thursday 28th November
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Lotobear said:
...and if you get a cowboy this can happen

I can't see/tell what flue system that is (assuming it is a 'proper' twin wall flue wink ) but I can see 2 x 45 bends that shouldn't be a problem?

Mr Pointy

11,889 posts

167 months

Thursday 28th November
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Acorn1 said:
I currently have an elderly gas fire in an awful fireplace at the moment. There is no chimney and the gas fire is just vented through the outside wall.

What sort of money should i be expecting to pay to replace it with a wood burner?

Is it something I would need a specialist for or would a good local bulder be able to do it if i bought the stove seperately?
Do you particularly want a wood burner or would a gas stove that looks a bit like a wood burner be an option?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gas+stoves+fires&t=f...

Lotobear

7,204 posts

136 months

Thursday 28th November
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dickymint said:
Lotobear said:
...and if you get a cowboy this can happen

I can't see/tell what flue system that is (assuming it is a 'proper' twin wall flue wink ) but I can see 2 x 45 bends that shouldn't be a problem?
A sprung/incorrectly fitted joint was the problem - new roof required, probably a £60k insurance claim in total

dickymint

25,943 posts

266 months

Thursday 28th November
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Lotobear said:
dickymint said:
Lotobear said:
...and if you get a cowboy this can happen

I can't see/tell what flue system that is (assuming it is a 'proper' twin wall flue wink ) but I can see 2 x 45 bends that shouldn't be a problem?
A sprung/incorrectly fitted joint was the problem - new roof required, probably a £60k insurance claim in total
Not doubting you one bit but I couldn't see the problem from that photo and no explanation - New roof....ouch !! Was it signed off?

Lotobear

7,204 posts

136 months

Thursday 28th November
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the issue was corrected but by then the damage was done - fortunately the occupant was not killed by CO but the stove had been venting straight into the loft unknown for months - smoke leaking out of the tiles externally eventually gave the game away.

..HETAS installer and signed off, so no guarantee of non cowboy activity.

I'm tasked with sorting it all out.

Simpo Two

87,186 posts

273 months

Thursday 28th November
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Road2Ruin said:
No flue! How are they going to vent the gas and smoke? Not sure you can do it the same way a balanced flue works with a gas fire.
I was thinking of a conventional chimney with a liner. This one goes out horizontally though I agree it would need to go up to a certain height. The only thing I don't like about external silver tubes is that make the house look a bit industrial.

Mr Pointy

11,889 posts

167 months

Thursday 28th November
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Hence suggesting a gas stove with a rear exit balanced flue.

Road2Ruin

5,517 posts

224 months

Thursday 28th November
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Mr Pointy said:
Hence suggesting a gas stove with a rear exit balanced flue.
Gas stove...that's like having a gas barbecue. wink

Chumley.mouse

454 posts

45 months

Thursday 28th November
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loskie

5,716 posts

128 months

Thursday 28th November
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You dont need a HETAS installer but it will be easier.

If you don't use one you must have it signed off by the Building Inspector. The regs requirements are easy to work out.


BEWARE though. If you have to buy your fuel rather than pinch, sorry harvest it yourself it's very expensive. If it's not a main heat source then that's less of an issue.

Get in quick before they are banned as most decent things are these days.

lost in espace

6,304 posts

215 months

Thursday 28th November
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loskie said:
You dont need a HETAS installer but it will be easier.

If you don't use one you must have it signed off by the Building Inspector. The regs requirements are easy to work out.


BEWARE though. If you have to buy your fuel rather than pinch, sorry harvest it yourself it's very expensive. If it's not a main heat source then that's less of an issue.

Get in quick before they are banned as most decent things are these days.
I am having a builder bag of dry logs delivered tomorrow for £75 in Herts. Probably quite a bit more expensive than gas, but we don't use it every night.

loskie

5,716 posts

128 months

Thursday 28th November
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They are lovely things to have. I have two (don't use both at the same time) but do use as a primary heat as much as I can.

For a change I bought a bag of peat nuggets on Saturday. Burns lovely
https://www.peatheat.co.uk/

Bill

54,367 posts

263 months

Thursday 28th November
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dickymint said:
Not doubting you one bit but I couldn't see the problem from that photo and no explanation - New roof....ouch !! Was it signed off?
The colour of the trusses is a giveaway.

Bill

54,367 posts

263 months

Thursday 28th November
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loskie said:
BEWARE though. If you have to buy your fuel rather than pinch, sorry harvest it yourself it's very expensive. If it's not a main heat source then that's less of an issue.
This. Lovely to have but a luxury.