How do you justify holiday costs?
Discussion
GetCarter said:
Yea... overcrowded and s
t weather.
We do the Outer Hebrides every year - like most things in life, it's just a question of timing:
...and before you suggest, she's sunbathing, not dead
Beautiful! Unfortunately days like this are too infrequent ... plan anything in the midst of summer and you still have more than a 60% chance of getting piss wet throught weather.We do the Outer Hebrides every year - like most things in life, it's just a question of timing:
...and before you suggest, she's sunbathing, not dead
Edited by GetCarter on Thursday 6th February 13:17
227bhp said:
GetCarter said:
Yea... overcrowded and st weather.
We do the Outer Hebrides every year - like most things in life, it's just a question of timing:
Holidays abroad aren't a 'question of timing' that's why we do them.t weather.We do the Outer Hebrides every year - like most things in life, it's just a question of timing:
NRS said:
You're doing it wrong if you have to worry about the assets like you say. Of course they have a cost, but it should be a lot lower than the profit (or it's not worth having them!). And if you're doing it right you just throw the money in long term and forget about it, and don't try and time the market. So it's very little work.
The big problem for my generation is likely to be the "you could die tomorrow" attitude - too many assume they'll just work until the drop - in reality lots will be fired in their 50's/60's and then too old to get a new job. They'll have little savings, and so have to scrape together a living at the end of their life instead. You might die tomorrow, but statistically you'll live until the average age of around 80 or so, which needs to be funded. And even if you died tomorrow then you're not around to regret not having more holidays after, whereas if the money runs out for the last 10 years of your life you have a long time to face that.
And don't get me wrong - just back from 3.5 weeks in Australia, and was in China for the same back in September, so am doing travelling etc. But it is an important balance and it's likely swung back the other way, with too many thinking they will die soon when they won't, and so will run out of money late in life.
It's an age old argument that gets played out on here every few weeks. There is no right and wrong way to live your life, but there are many holiday activities which you can do when you're young that you can't when you're old. I know there are exceptions to every rule, but whenever i've been:The big problem for my generation is likely to be the "you could die tomorrow" attitude - too many assume they'll just work until the drop - in reality lots will be fired in their 50's/60's and then too old to get a new job. They'll have little savings, and so have to scrape together a living at the end of their life instead. You might die tomorrow, but statistically you'll live until the average age of around 80 or so, which needs to be funded. And even if you died tomorrow then you're not around to regret not having more holidays after, whereas if the money runs out for the last 10 years of your life you have a long time to face that.
And don't get me wrong - just back from 3.5 weeks in Australia, and was in China for the same back in September, so am doing travelling etc. But it is an important balance and it's likely swung back the other way, with too many thinking they will die soon when they won't, and so will run out of money late in life.
Edited by NRS on Wednesday 5th February 21:16
Backpacking
Getting off my tits on various things every night for three weeks solid (that was a while ago!)
Watching the sun come up on some idyllic island somewhere (probably something to do with the above)
Skiing
Swimming with turtles and dolphins
Scuba diving
Snorkelling on a reef
Standing on the edge of a volcano with it burning the soles of my trainers
Swimming across freezing cold lakes to reach islands
Quad biking across the desert
Riding a camel
and a horse
and Lord knows what else, there weren't any grey haired people around with me enjoying it too.
They were sitting by a pool like old lizards which is what i'll be doing in the future.
227bhp said:
NRS said:
You're doing it wrong if you have to worry about the assets like you say. Of course they have a cost, but it should be a lot lower than the profit (or it's not worth having them!). And if you're doing it right you just throw the money in long term and forget about it, and don't try and time the market. So it's very little work.
The big problem for my generation is likely to be the "you could die tomorrow" attitude - too many assume they'll just work until the drop - in reality lots will be fired in their 50's/60's and then too old to get a new job. They'll have little savings, and so have to scrape together a living at the end of their life instead. You might die tomorrow, but statistically you'll live until the average age of around 80 or so, which needs to be funded. And even if you died tomorrow then you're not around to regret not having more holidays after, whereas if the money runs out for the last 10 years of your life you have a long time to face that.
And don't get me wrong - just back from 3.5 weeks in Australia, and was in China for the same back in September, so am doing travelling etc. But it is an important balance and it's likely swung back the other way, with too many thinking they will die soon when they won't, and so will run out of money late in life.
It's an age old argument that gets played out on here every few weeks. There is no right and wrong way to live your life, but there are many holiday activities which you can do when you're young that you can't when you're old. I know there are exceptions to every rule, but whenever i've been:The big problem for my generation is likely to be the "you could die tomorrow" attitude - too many assume they'll just work until the drop - in reality lots will be fired in their 50's/60's and then too old to get a new job. They'll have little savings, and so have to scrape together a living at the end of their life instead. You might die tomorrow, but statistically you'll live until the average age of around 80 or so, which needs to be funded. And even if you died tomorrow then you're not around to regret not having more holidays after, whereas if the money runs out for the last 10 years of your life you have a long time to face that.
And don't get me wrong - just back from 3.5 weeks in Australia, and was in China for the same back in September, so am doing travelling etc. But it is an important balance and it's likely swung back the other way, with too many thinking they will die soon when they won't, and so will run out of money late in life.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 5th February 21:16
Backpacking
Getting off my tits on various things every night for three weeks solid (that was a while ago!)
Watching the sun come up on some idyllic island somewhere (probably something to do with the above)
Skiing
Swimming with turtles and dolphins
Scuba diving
Snorkelling on a reef
Standing on the edge of a volcano with it burning the soles of my trainers
Swimming across freezing cold lakes to reach islands
Quad biking across the desert
Riding a camel
and a horse
and Lord knows what else, there weren't any grey haired people around with me enjoying it too.
They were sitting by a pool like old lizards which is what i'll be doing in the future.
An old mate of mine, in both senses, and his Mrs are down under just now, been there since 1st week in January. A few days in Perth, after the direct flight from LHR, a week in the East Coast of Aus then a few weeks in the Northern part of the South Island before the last week or two around Auckland and North of there. Then home via Singapore.
Does something similar every year, between 6 and 12 weeks wandering around the globe. Rarely a pool in sight!
They’re not the only ones.
GetCarter said:
Yea... overcrowded and st weather.
We do the Outer Hebrides every year - like most things in life, it's just a question of timing:
...and before you suggest, she's sunbathing, not dead
Dinner for the midgies? t weather.We do the Outer Hebrides every year - like most things in life, it's just a question of timing:
...and before you suggest, she's sunbathing, not dead
Edited by GetCarter on Thursday 6th February 13:17
I think the general point is that you have more chance of better weather going somewhere warm than you do in the UK.
I used to balk at spending 'big' money on a holiday over the standard 2 weeks in Europe. But in the last few years, we've all found we just weren't enjoying them. Me and other half getting bored and kids just not stimulated enough so ending up with heads in screens.
So we've since gone on some USA holidays which have probably cost double the Europe ones. Yes, for £7-8k we could purchase something physical but the whole family have had amazing holidays. We book hotels, car etc. separately so control the costs. I'd rather spend £8k on a great holiday than £4k on one I was bored on.
So, I can't justify the cost but they don't put us in debt and I've started to think slightly differently about their 'worth'.
So we've since gone on some USA holidays which have probably cost double the Europe ones. Yes, for £7-8k we could purchase something physical but the whole family have had amazing holidays. We book hotels, car etc. separately so control the costs. I'd rather spend £8k on a great holiday than £4k on one I was bored on.
So, I can't justify the cost but they don't put us in debt and I've started to think slightly differently about their 'worth'.
Bill said:
I think attitudes have changed in the last decade or two and older people are more adventurous now.blueg33 said:
GetCarter said:
Yea... overcrowded and st weather.
We do the Outer Hebrides every year - like most things in life, it's just a question of timing:
...and before you suggest, she's sunbathing, not dead
Dinner for the midgies? t weather.We do the Outer Hebrides every year - like most things in life, it's just a question of timing:
...and before you suggest, she's sunbathing, not dead
Edited by GetCarter on Thursday 6th February 13:17
I think the general point is that you have more chance of better weather going somewhere warm than you do in the UK.
To the O/P... it's piss cheap!
Welshbeef said:
borcy said:
I think it depends on how old they are, depends if your talking about a 2 year old or 9 year old.
This + having 3 kids on a plane makes it double difficult Mind you for all the views on going away to different places I'm sure there's lots of people that go away to the same places year in year out. Especially those with a holiday home or a static caravan, I'd imagine you'd have to keep going to get value for money.
ro250 said:
I used to balk at spending 'big' money on a holiday over the standard 2 weeks in Europe. But in the last few years, we've all found we just weren't enjoying them. Me and other half getting bored and kids just not stimulated enough so ending up with heads in screens.
So we've since gone on some USA holidays which have probably cost double the Europe ones. Yes, for £7-8k we could purchase something physical but the whole family have had amazing holidays. We book hotels, car etc. separately so control the costs. I'd rather spend £8k on a great holiday than £4k on one I was bored on.
So, I can't justify the cost but they don't put us in debt and I've started to think slightly differently about their 'worth'.
2 weeks in Aug in day Majorca on 4* is at least £2k per person adult or child. So our family we’d be looking at c£10k. Plus with 5 it’s actually difficult to find accommodation in resort (you need a junior suite- we wouldn’t do adjoining rooms). Or go villa which against isn’t cheap and the pool is deep For the kids. Usually the pool is small too nothing like a hotel complex with 100m odd pools slash parks etc. So a small ish non heated pool (or £1k a week to have it heated) plus normally the villas are not beachfront so car hire is a must. So we've since gone on some USA holidays which have probably cost double the Europe ones. Yes, for £7-8k we could purchase something physical but the whole family have had amazing holidays. We book hotels, car etc. separately so control the costs. I'd rather spend £8k on a great holiday than £4k on one I was bored on.
So, I can't justify the cost but they don't put us in debt and I've started to think slightly differently about their 'worth'.
It’s why we sacked off last summer bought an amazing tent and if I’m honest we all had WAY more fun on that than all bad the Skiing and Africa holidays.
GetCarter said:
Zero midges (of course - people don't seem to get when midges are a problem. Do you think she'd lie there if she was being bitten?). But you are right re better weather elsewhere. We generally go to the Hebrides when it's empty and warm. It's easy from here, but I appreciate you can't book ahead.
To the O/P... it's piss cheap!
When are the midges a problem? I thought it was June-September? ie the warmer months. To the O/P... it's piss cheap!
I do plan on visiting the Hebrides in the next couple of years.
I've booked my 5 night cruise to Belgium and Holland over the Easter break, and have accepted that travel insurance £70+ , port car parking £80+, one excursion £70+ , is just part and parcel of a cruise. It will probably be £2K all in for 5 nights so I hope the weather is good and I enjoy it
NRS said:
Also likely depends where you are/who you know. Here in Norway there is plenty of oldies that keep going. It's a bit embarrassing when you're doing a friendly cross-country ski race at 30 and doing say 20km, and there is a bunch of 70 year olds off doing a 100km version instead!
A friend just sent a video of himself off piste in some lovely powder at 72. They're staying in their motorhome and the biggest concession to age they've made is getting electric bikes.Gassing Station | Holidays & Travel | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff