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There is in reality no connection between the Marcos name and the cars now as compared to the marque when Jeremy Marsh and Frank Costin started it all off for Marcos. Not that I do not wish the project anything but good luck. I do hope it is good enough to succeed and good luck to the builders of the car. But in reality there is nothing of the old Marcos in design ethic, materials or build. Just in the use of the name.
Steffan said:
There is in reality no connection between the Marcos name and the cars now as compared to the marque when Jeremy Marsh and Frank Costin started it all off for Marcos. Not that I do not wish the project anything but good luck. I do hope it is good enough to succeed and good luck to the builders of the car. But in reality there is nothing of the old Marcos in design ethic, materials or build. Just in the use of the name.
Agreed.Podie said:
Steffan said:
There is in reality no connection between the Marcos name and the cars now as compared to the marque when Jeremy Marsh and Frank Costin started it all off for Marcos. Not that I do not wish the project anything but good luck. I do hope it is good enough to succeed and good luck to the builders of the car. But in reality there is nothing of the old Marcos in design ethic, materials or build. Just in the use of the name.
Agreed.I visited Tony's workshop (I took the two pics above from inside his workshop) and spent a while chatting about it. I visited for a quick chat about the car to do the article, but must have spent nearly two hours there. Nice chap.
I also wish it all the best.
Volker said:
Ohh, I don't think the name and badge will help a lot to sell this vehicle.
It's totally different in style and appearance to what people expect from Marcos...
I grant you, the looks are very aggressive, the car sat very square. Quite wide, but then it has a short wheelbase. I saw Marcos shapes in the back end, which were more obvious before the spoiler was on. I think part of the appeal for me is that there really is nothing that looks like it on the market.It's totally different in style and appearance to what people expect from Marcos...
I do have some other pics, but they aren't the best. I will ask Tony if he minds if I post them. To be fair, and by his own admission the car is a little way from the road ready version, it would be unfair to judge the car based on my rubbish pictures!
The Kit Car market is loaded with new models every year. Specialist Sports Cars are just as bad. Very very few last. I wish the builders well. This is not a cheap car and I am personally very doubtful that there is a market for such a car.
Just look at the TVR tragedy and the Lotus debacle currently. If the builders just want to make a few cars because they can good luck to them. Whether it will last is in the lap of the Gods.
Just look at the TVR tragedy and the Lotus debacle currently. If the builders just want to make a few cars because they can good luck to them. Whether it will last is in the lap of the Gods.
Steffan said:
The Kit Car market is loaded with new models every year. Specialist Sports Cars are just as bad. Very very few last. I wish the builders well. This is not a cheap car and I am personally very doubtful that there is a market for such a car.
Just look at the TVR tragedy and the Lotus debacle currently. If the builders just want to make a few cars because they can good luck to them. Whether it will last is in the lap of the Gods.
It's a shame, but I agree. That said, Tony isn't aiming at huge production, perhaps that may be what could help make it viable.Just look at the TVR tragedy and the Lotus debacle currently. If the builders just want to make a few cars because they can good luck to them. Whether it will last is in the lap of the Gods.
Time will tell, if the car's good enough it may have a chance.
jpf said:
No, it's not a Marcos.
Fron end reminded me of shortened Toyota MR2. Back end has a familiar look--but escapes me at the moment.
Small thoughts of a VEMAC too...
Its reminiscent of a lot of modern sports cars and I agree has definite Toyota MR2 similarities. Derivative designs are one of the consequences of every manufacturer needing to provide crumple zones, passenger safety, use toughly the same suspension and low profile tyres and limited drivetrain choice etc.Fron end reminded me of shortened Toyota MR2. Back end has a familiar look--but escapes me at the moment.
Small thoughts of a VEMAC too...
Most modern small cars look very similar because they are very similar. I do wish these car builders well, but I think any adventure into Car Building in low volume specialist sports car manufacturing, is a very brave move in the current UK economic climate. I cannot see the Marcos connection helping much but at least somebody is trying to build a car in the UK!
Dimski said:
Actually, Tony has had input from Jeremy Marsh on this project, and some support from the Marcos Owners club.
I visited Tony's workshop (I took the two pics above from inside his workshop) and spent a while chatting about it. I visited for a quick chat about the car to do the article, but must have spent nearly two hours there. Nice chap.
I also wish it all the best.
I had seen the news article saying that Jem had been giving technical direction to the project and given the scale of his involvement with Tony Stelliga and his age I was somewhat surprised. Jem celebarated his 83rd birthday not so long ago and there was a gathering at his house to which I was fortunate enough to be invited. I decided to ask him about this new project. He told me that many people had spoken to him about this and he knew nothing about it.I visited Tony's workshop (I took the two pics above from inside his workshop) and spent a while chatting about it. I visited for a quick chat about the car to do the article, but must have spent nearly two hours there. Nice chap.
I also wish it all the best.
I genuinely wish this project all the best and would welcome a new Marcos but IF Jem has really had no input I think it is naughty to link his name to the design of the car.
Ignoring the marketing hype and the apparent attempts to associate this car with Jem Marsh, the car will surely be judged on its own merit. Kit car enthusiasts and buyers looking for a really well balanced sensibly priced UK kit car should IMO look at the latest offering from Stuart Mills of MEV fame, the Replicar at http://www.mevowners.proboards.com/thread/3761/bui... and http://www.mevltd.co.uk/mev_replicarkitprice.htm
As an Aston Martin tribute car (Stuart is an avid Aston Martin fan!), but without any suggestion that AM is involved, this does seem to me to be a truly exceptional design and available at an unbeatable price as a kit of £4995 + VAT. Allowing for the door vehicle the whole effort could be completed for significantly unless than £10,000 and WHAT a car that would be! Stylish with excellent detailing, flowing lines and a really svelte appearance. I should add that I have no connection whatsoever with MEV or Mr Mills, I just think his kits are exceptionally good designs and exceptionally good value. Certainly one of the kits I will be examining in detail at Stoneleigh!
As an Aston Martin tribute car (Stuart is an avid Aston Martin fan!), but without any suggestion that AM is involved, this does seem to me to be a truly exceptional design and available at an unbeatable price as a kit of £4995 + VAT. Allowing for the door vehicle the whole effort could be completed for significantly unless than £10,000 and WHAT a car that would be! Stylish with excellent detailing, flowing lines and a really svelte appearance. I should add that I have no connection whatsoever with MEV or Mr Mills, I just think his kits are exceptionally good designs and exceptionally good value. Certainly one of the kits I will be examining in detail at Stoneleigh!
It's easy for people to say "It's not a Marcos", but was the Mini Marcos or the 70's Mantis?
Of course they were and this seems to owe a bit to the concept (if little else) of the Mini and also some of the earliest 750MC racers.
It's not the traditional coupe shape we've all been familiar with for so log and seems to owe next to nothing to the heritage of the company in reality (although that's hardly unique in the history of specialist marques), but it's nice to see the rights to the name having been locked in a cupboard never to see the light of day again.
At least there is a car, I guess whether it's a blind alley that goes nowhere beyond a prototype or a new direction for the Marcos name will remain to be seen.
I wish them luck.
M.
Of course they were and this seems to owe a bit to the concept (if little else) of the Mini and also some of the earliest 750MC racers.
It's not the traditional coupe shape we've all been familiar with for so log and seems to owe next to nothing to the heritage of the company in reality (although that's hardly unique in the history of specialist marques), but it's nice to see the rights to the name having been locked in a cupboard never to see the light of day again.
At least there is a car, I guess whether it's a blind alley that goes nowhere beyond a prototype or a new direction for the Marcos name will remain to be seen.
I wish them luck.
M.
marcosgt said:
It's easy for people to say "It's not a Marcos", but was the Mini Marcos or the 70's Mantis?
Of course they were and this seems to owe a bit to the concept (if little else) of the Mini and also some of the earliest 750MC racers.
It's not the traditional coupe shape we've all been familiar with for so log and seems to owe next to nothing to the heritage of the company in reality (although that's hardly unique in the history of specialist marques), but it's nice to see the rights to the name having been locked in a cupboard never to see the light of day again.
At least there is a car, I guess whether it's a blind alley that goes nowhere beyond a prototype or a new direction for the Marcos name will remain to be seen.
I wish them luck.
M.
I agree lets look forward and be hopeful that the name is still going and creates something great. Its this kind of entrepreneurial spirit that has driven the British sports car industry.Of course they were and this seems to owe a bit to the concept (if little else) of the Mini and also some of the earliest 750MC racers.
It's not the traditional coupe shape we've all been familiar with for so log and seems to owe next to nothing to the heritage of the company in reality (although that's hardly unique in the history of specialist marques), but it's nice to see the rights to the name having been locked in a cupboard never to see the light of day again.
At least there is a car, I guess whether it's a blind alley that goes nowhere beyond a prototype or a new direction for the Marcos name will remain to be seen.
I wish them luck.
M.
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