Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 3]

Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 3]

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TheLordJohn

5,746 posts

147 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Someone has been watching Guy Martin.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

245 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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StevieBee said:
If an Ai programmer wrote a bit code or an algorithm for a driverless car whilst he was drunk and as a result, some time in the future, that car whilst operating in driverless mode killed a pedestrian, would the programmer be done for drink-driving?

(For the sake of the question, let's assume it can be proven the programmer was drunk at the time he wrote the code).
Programmers are expected to make coding errors, that's what QA departments are for.

StevieBee

12,964 posts

256 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Einion Yrth said:
StevieBee said:
If an Ai programmer wrote a bit code or an algorithm for a driverless car whilst he was drunk and as a result, some time in the future, that car whilst operating in driverless mode killed a pedestrian, would the programmer be done for drink-driving?

(For the sake of the question, let's assume it can be proven the programmer was drunk at the time he wrote the code).
Programmers are expected to make coding errors, that's what QA departments are for.
And what if the QA department misses the error?

I guess the wider question is where does the limit of liability extend in Ai? You can't prosecute a robot or computer!

JustinF

6,795 posts

204 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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StevieBee said:
Einion Yrth said:
StevieBee said:
If an Ai programmer wrote a bit code or an algorithm for a driverless car whilst he was drunk and as a result, some time in the future, that car whilst operating in driverless mode killed a pedestrian, would the programmer be done for drink-driving?

(For the sake of the question, let's assume it can be proven the programmer was drunk at the time he wrote the code).
Programmers are expected to make coding errors, that's what QA departments are for.
And what if the QA department misses the error?

I guess the wider question is where does the limit of liability extend in Ai? You can't prosecute a robot or computer!
With the directors of the company, would bear similarities to corporate manslaughter.

DRFC1879

3,446 posts

158 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Jonboy_t said:
Jonnny said:
How does a Super Market decide how much to discount something by? Do they take it down to their cost, is it below cost to make something rather than bin it? Does the out of date stuff go in the bin? Does the oik on the gun have control or is it now computerised centrally and he just prints the ticket?
There's LOADS of factors around what drives it - way too many to really list! Sometimes it is just discounted by whatever the bods in Commercial think they can get away with without losing money. Other times it does actually lose money, but the losses are outweighed by incremental sales (called a Loss Leader - drives punters in and they buy other stuff while they're there).

Most big ones will have rebate agreements with suppliers too, whereby they say "we usually buy this pen at £1 cost price, but if we sell 1million of them, you need to give us a 10% back based on the quantity we bought". They can then use this 10% rebate to offset against the reduced profits from discounting the product.

Bear in mind that most big chains will generally have a margin of about 30% on anything they sell (so they buy the pen for £1 and sell it for £1.30), so there is plenty of room for them to drop the price to drive the sales in order to get that lost revenue back through their rebate agreement.

With out of date stuff, it depends on the stock type really. If it's perishable, they can be required by law to bin it safely. If it's something like a chair or a table, it's down to the store and/or Commercial people to agree how to manage it. I work for a big retailer and the majority of our stock is non-perishable, so we produce a big list every month/quarter/year of all our clearance stock that's out of date or out of season, give the store the cost price back to their P&L for it and then tell them to skip it/donate it to a local charity.

Price label wise, usually it's centrally loaded onto store databases, but that varies from retailer to retailer depending on what type of system they use.
All correct. Additionally on seasonal stock e.g. advent calendars, choc Santas etc, which I used to sell there would be a residual agreement written into the contract e.g. anything left after 25th December, sell it off at half price on zero margin and we'll pay the difference between this and the price you paid us for the stock.

On everyday groceries I know one retailer sells products on promotion in numerous stores where they don't have an ongoing listing and has an algorithm which works out a price per unit to clear out remaining stock within a set time period post promo. E.g. if a big store sells 10 units a day and has 15 left over at the end of a promo there may be a few pence reduction but a smaller conveience store sells four a day and has 15 left over it'll go to half price to clear out swiftly. The supplier will agree a clearance sum for these promos.

Nimby

4,636 posts

151 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Johnspex said:
They've got all the answers except 49n in HT. Lower and upper case as shown originally.
You are Dave Gorman and you aren't catching me again.

JuniorD

8,637 posts

224 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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SpeckledJim said:
Wiccan of Darkness said:
Yes Yes No No No Maybe
6 nuns sitting in a bath. Which ones are alcoholics?

The ones with a Black Bush





Wiccan of Darkness

1,847 posts

84 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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JuniorD said:
SpeckledJim said:
Wiccan of Darkness said:
Yes Yes No No No Maybe
6 nuns sitting in a bath. Which ones are alcoholics?

The ones with a Black Bush
And the ones with a...

handpaper

1,301 posts

204 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Only out by an order of magnitude on the area of the steel cube, and a factor of ~1.5 on the size of the marble (did you model it with the density of steel?)

I'd finish the coffee before designing anything critical whistle
RizzoTheRat said:
The paper will hit terminal velocity sooner, but the terminal velocity for the lead will be higher


Think about 2 objects of the same dimensions but different densities.

There are 2 main forces acting on it, gravity and drag

Acceleration due to gravity is constant so both objects will start falling at the same acceleration, but the force acting on the object is Mass x Acceleration, so the denser one has a greater force

Drag is proportional to Velocity squared x Area x Coefficient of Drag. So as they're both the same shape it's purely related to velocity squared.

An object will reach terminal velocity when the drag is equal to the force due to gravity, which will be therefore be higher for the denser object.

If it was a 200kg anvil and a 200kg cannon ball, the ball would land first due to its lower drag and therefore higher terminal velocity, but for a 200kg anvil and a 5g marble, we'd need to work out the anvil's drag coefficient.

However as I have a cup of coffee on the go...

If it was a 200kg iron cube, it would have a drag coefficient of about 1, and an area of about 0.0864m^2

At terminal velocity at standard sea level air density (1.225 kg/m3):

Force = mass x Acc = Cd x Area x (air density x Velocity squared) / 2

F= 200 x 9.81 = 1 x 0.0864 x (1.225 x V^2)/2 Therefore terminal velocity is about 192m/s, or about 433 mph.

For a 5g, 1.5 cm marble

F = 0.005 x 9.81 = 0.5 x 0.00018 x (1.225 x V^2)/2 Therefore terminal velocity is about 9.4m/s, or about 21 mph

Therefore the cube would hit the ground first, and I would expect an anvil to also be quicker than the marble.

Jonnny

29,403 posts

190 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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DRFC1879 said:
Jonboy_t said:
Jonnny said:
How does a Super Market decide how much to discount something by? Do they take it down to their cost, is it below cost to make something rather than bin it? Does the out of date stuff go in the bin? Does the oik on the gun have control or is it now computerised centrally and he just prints the ticket?
There's LOADS of factors around what drives it - way too many to really list! Sometimes it is just discounted by whatever the bods in Commercial think they can get away with without losing money. Other times it does actually lose money, but the losses are outweighed by incremental sales (called a Loss Leader - drives punters in and they buy other stuff while they're there).

Most big ones will have rebate agreements with suppliers too, whereby they say "we usually buy this pen at £1 cost price, but if we sell 1million of them, you need to give us a 10% back based on the quantity we bought". They can then use this 10% rebate to offset against the reduced profits from discounting the product.

Bear in mind that most big chains will generally have a margin of about 30% on anything they sell (so they buy the pen for £1 and sell it for £1.30), so there is plenty of room for them to drop the price to drive the sales in order to get that lost revenue back through their rebate agreement.

With out of date stuff, it depends on the stock type really. If it's perishable, they can be required by law to bin it safely. If it's something like a chair or a table, it's down to the store and/or Commercial people to agree how to manage it. I work for a big retailer and the majority of our stock is non-perishable, so we produce a big list every month/quarter/year of all our clearance stock that's out of date or out of season, give the store the cost price back to their P&L for it and then tell them to skip it/donate it to a local charity.

Price label wise, usually it's centrally loaded onto store databases, but that varies from retailer to retailer depending on what type of system they use.
All correct. Additionally on seasonal stock e.g. advent calendars, choc Santas etc, which I used to sell there would be a residual agreement written into the contract e.g. anything left after 25th December, sell it off at half price on zero margin and we'll pay the difference between this and the price you paid us for the stock.

On everyday groceries I know one retailer sells products on promotion in numerous stores where they don't have an ongoing listing and has an algorithm which works out a price per unit to clear out remaining stock within a set time period post promo. E.g. if a big store sells 10 units a day and has 15 left over at the end of a promo there may be a few pence reduction but a smaller conveience store sells four a day and has 15 left over it'll go to half price to clear out swiftly. The supplier will agree a clearance sum for these promos.
Excellent, so what about out of date? Why are some things only 20p off, say a posh ready meal.. Yet some things are 10p to buy, would this be difference in cost price between the two items?

mickk

28,984 posts

243 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Johnspex said:
I did that all wrong didn't I? I knew what it stood for in the example shown ,obviously, but equally obviously, that isn't the correct answer. So it's obviously not nuns in a hot tub but what is it?
Just got in from work and was hoping someone had answered this, been bugging me all day.

Halmyre

11,253 posts

140 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Einion Yrth said:
StevieBee said:
If an Ai programmer wrote a bit code or an algorithm for a driverless car whilst he was drunk and as a result, some time in the future, that car whilst operating in driverless mode killed a pedestrian, would the programmer be done for drink-driving?

(For the sake of the question, let's assume it can be proven the programmer was drunk at the time he wrote the code).
Programmers are expected to make coding errors, that's what QA departments are for.
Hah; as if a QA department could find a coding error even when they're not sitting with their feet up on piles of ISO manuals, picking their noses and dreaming up yet more paperwork in which to drown hard-working engineers.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

262 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Why is Meghan Markle described as 'mixed race' while President Obama is described as 'black'?

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Dr Jekyll said:
Why is Meghan Markle described as 'mixed race' while President Obama is described as 'black'?
Obama looks black, but Meghan does not?

V8mate

45,899 posts

190 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Ayahuasca said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Why is Meghan Markle described as 'mixed race' while President Obama is described as 'black'?
Obama looks black, but Meghan does not?
I wrote and then deleted three different responses to this question.

I resolved to take the 'popcorn' option and resist any further damage to my already tarnished reputation biglaugh

grumbledoak

31,566 posts

234 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Me too.


Johnspex

4,350 posts

185 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Nimby said:
Johnspex said:
They've got all the answers except 49n in HT. Lower and upper case as shown originally.
You are Dave Gorman and you aren't catching me again.
I haven't got a clue what that is supposed to mean.

Nimby

4,636 posts

151 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Johnspex said:
Nimby said:
Johnspex said:
They've got all the answers except 49n in HT. Lower and upper case as shown originally.
You are Dave Gorman and you aren't catching me again.
I haven't got a clue what that is supposed to mean.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...

MartG

20,714 posts

205 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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How many MPs do not have private health insurance, and rely solely on the NHS provision they provide for the rest of us ?

Johnspex

4,350 posts

185 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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Nimby said:
Johnspex said:
Nimby said:
Johnspex said:
They've got all the answers except 49n in HT. Lower and upper case as shown originally.
You are Dave Gorman and you aren't catching me again.
I haven't got a clue what that is supposed to mean.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...
Come on Guys, this has got to be simple to the massed brains of PH. I've found that it's actually 49N in HT. Put an old man out of his misery .
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