Misfits, Dad's Army Types et al...
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kowalski655 said:
But the drinker you are, the higher up that scale any woman goes
Frank,are you outing your grandson as a Walt ( or maybe "Valt",as he is German
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No, that wasn’t my intention, and it would appear that as he served in the German Armed Forces, and is still on reserve, that he’s doing nothing wrong in honouring his German ancestors by wearing a tiny Iron Cross lapel pin, albeit he wasn’t awarded one himself.Frank,are you outing your grandson as a Walt ( or maybe "Valt",as he is German
)Edited by kowalski655 on Wednesday 20th November 18:59
I just wondered how the cognoscenti on here saw it.
My irreverent son, the one who is now a German citizen, said that Iron Crosses were given out freely, rather like, (according to him), Americans getting Purple Hearts for stubbing their toe in the queue for coffee in the PX.
My grandson tells me however, that they were awarded for bravery.
shed driver said:
Many people wore their father's medals on the right side, what would the reaction have been if your father was German and you did the remembrance parade with a chest full of German medals from WW2?
It's still commemorating veterans - has anyone ever seen this?
SD.
I haven't seen it "for real", as it were, but whenever I have seen documentaries where (admittedly western, I've not seen any involving eastern) Allied veterans have met German veterans, there has only been respect and understanding. It's still commemorating veterans - has anyone ever seen this?
SD.
Frank7 said:
No, that wasn’t my intention, and it would appear that as he served in the German Armed Forces, and is still on reserve, that he’s doing nothing wrong in honouring his German ancestors by wearing a tiny Iron Cross lapel pin, albeit he wasn’t awarded one himself.
The iron cross is the insignia of the Bundeswehr anyway, so he can wear it regardless of ancestor’s awards.shed driver said:
Many people wore their father's medals on the right side, what would the reaction have been if your father was German and you did the remembrance parade with a chest full of German medals from WW2?
It's still commemorating veterans - has anyone ever seen this?
SD.
Wow, that would be something, I’d pay to see that.It's still commemorating veterans - has anyone ever seen this?
SD.
It’s not quite the same I guess, but my son, ex R.C.T. and living in Germany, visited his German wife’s uncle’s grave in Bielefeld, with his, (my son’s), family, and his in-laws, on Volkstrauerstag, (German Remembrance Day), and proudly wore a poppy.
He said no one seemed bothered, they all seemed happy that a British ex soldier attended the remembrance of a WW2 Wehrmacht veteran.
shed driver said:
Many people wore their father's medals on the right side, what would the reaction have been if your father was German and you did the remembrance parade with a chest full of German medals from WW2?
It's still commemorating veterans - has anyone ever seen this?
SD.
The Remembrance / Armistice events, are for remembering those who sacrificed themselves, to stop the aggressors, in various conflicts. The aggressors have their own events. Having someone parade German medals, would be akin to having a murderer turn up to their victims funeral.It's still commemorating veterans - has anyone ever seen this?
SD.
I was in Germany on Remembrance Day a number of years ago. I had a poppy in my jacket button hole and stepped outside at 11:00 for a couple of minutes to myself.
One of the older German staff came over and asked me if I was OK. I said what I was doing and he joined me. He later told me that he served in the Army in the later stages of the war and faced the British. He respected them and was happy to remember the sacrifice.
Since then I have thought if both sides in the conflicts of conventional wars. The soldiers are doing the political bidding other others and deserve respect.
Walts who want to make out they served deserve to be called out. Those that claim to have decorations deserve to be shamed and ridiculed. The 4x4 responders that ferry medical staff around without the look ay me trapping deserve thanks. Those that wear hi-viz and sleep with 1 eye open deserve some level of pitty.
One of the older German staff came over and asked me if I was OK. I said what I was doing and he joined me. He later told me that he served in the Army in the later stages of the war and faced the British. He respected them and was happy to remember the sacrifice.
Since then I have thought if both sides in the conflicts of conventional wars. The soldiers are doing the political bidding other others and deserve respect.
Walts who want to make out they served deserve to be called out. Those that claim to have decorations deserve to be shamed and ridiculed. The 4x4 responders that ferry medical staff around without the look ay me trapping deserve thanks. Those that wear hi-viz and sleep with 1 eye open deserve some level of pitty.
The Mad Monk said:
Frank7 said:
my son, ex R.C.T. and living in Germany, visited his German wife’s uncle’s grave in Bielefeld, with his, (my son’s), family, and his in-laws,
Why does my head keep hurting?
I met a man who could wear decorations from both sides in the same conflict.
He was a naval surgeon in the Falklands war and saved the lives of the injured regardless of nationality. After the war, Argentina awarded him a medal. He told me that he asked for advice on wearing it. The message back from Buckingham palace was that he was to wear it with pride alongside his British medals.
The man in question was called Rick Jolly. He died last year. An inspirational man.
He was a naval surgeon in the Falklands war and saved the lives of the injured regardless of nationality. After the war, Argentina awarded him a medal. He told me that he asked for advice on wearing it. The message back from Buckingham palace was that he was to wear it with pride alongside his British medals.
The man in question was called Rick Jolly. He died last year. An inspirational man.
GOATever said:
The Remembrance / Armistice events, are for remembering those who sacrificed themselves, to stop the aggressors, in various conflicts. The aggressors have their own events. Having someone parade German medals, would be akin to having a murderer turn up to their victims funeral.
To me remberance events are about reminding us how terrible wars are and honouring those who sacrificed themselves on behalf of their fellow citizens.On that basis, to me it doesn't matter what side you were on, who started it or who won. It's a far more powerful commemoration when you stand side by side with your ex-foe and remember all those who fell.
janesmith1950 said:
GOATever said:
The Remembrance / Armistice events, are for remembering those who sacrificed themselves, to stop the aggressors, in various conflicts. The aggressors have their own events. Having someone parade German medals, would be akin to having a murderer turn up to their victims funeral.
To me remberance events are about reminding us how terrible wars are and honouring those who sacrificed themselves on behalf of their fellow citizens.On that basis, to me it doesn't matter what side you were on, who started it or who won. It's a far more powerful commemoration when you stand side by side with your ex-foe and remember all those who fell.
janesmith1950 said:
o me remberance events are about reminding us how terrible wars are and honouring those who sacrificed themselves on behalf of their fellow citizens.
On that basis, to me it doesn't matter what side you were on, who started it or who won. It's a far more powerful commemoration when you stand side by side with your ex-foe and remember all those who fell.
No, absolutely not. You’d have been shot at dawn for that thinking, during WW1. Creeping liberalism has it’s place. Remembrance events aren’t it. Ze Germans / Japs / Argies / Iraqis / Taliban / whatever, can have their own versions if they want, but mixing it up, is as bad as urinating on the graves of the fallen in my book.On that basis, to me it doesn't matter what side you were on, who started it or who won. It's a far more powerful commemoration when you stand side by side with your ex-foe and remember all those who fell.
Edited by GOATever on Thursday 21st November 08:22
BossHogg said:
It used to form part of my arrest statement for drunkenness. His speech was slurred, his eyes were glazed, his gait was unsteady and his breath smelled strongly of alcoholic liquor, he was drunk.
Just how often did you get arrested for drunkenness to have your own statement?GOATever said:
No, absolutely not. You’d have been shot at dawn for that thinking, during WW1. Creeping liberalism has it’s place. Remembrance events aren’t it. Ze Germans / Japs / Argies / Iraqis / Taliban / whatever, can have their own versions if they want, but mixing it up, is as bad as urinating on the graves of the fallen in my book.
You may not have noticed, but WW1 finished some time ago. We're no longer at war with Germany, Japan, Argentina, Iraq or Afghanistan. Edited by GOATever on Thursday 21st November 08:22
The whole idea of remembrance is to remember the futility of war and honour those who died.
BossHogg said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Just how often did you get arrested for drunkenness to have your own statement?
It was me doing the arresting. 
Is the HA job just a top up to the pension?
I know it's personal, but I am always interested in other people's careers. I toyed with the idea of joining the police when I came out of the services, but.....
GOATever said:
janesmith1950 said:
o me remberance events are about reminding us how terrible wars are and honouring those who sacrificed themselves on behalf of their fellow citizens.
On that basis, to me it doesn't matter what side you were on, who started it or who won. It's a far more powerful commemoration when you stand side by side with your ex-foe and remember all those who fell.
No, absolutely not. You’d have been shot at dawn for that thinking, during WW1. Creeping liberalism has it’s place. Remembrance events aren’t it. Ze Germans / Japs / Argies / Iraqis / Taliban / whatever, can have their own versions if they want, but mixing it up, is as bad as urinating on the graves of the fallen in my book.On that basis, to me it doesn't matter what side you were on, who started it or who won. It's a far more powerful commemoration when you stand side by side with your ex-foe and remember all those who fell.
Edited by GOATever on Thursday 21st November 08:22
t yourself with apoplexy?GOATever said:
janesmith1950 said:
o me remberance events are about reminding us how terrible wars are and honouring those who sacrificed themselves on behalf of their fellow citizens.
On that basis, to me it doesn't matter what side you were on, who started it or who won. It's a far more powerful commemoration when you stand side by side with your ex-foe and remember all those who fell.
No, absolutely not. You’d have been shot at dawn for that thinking, during WW1. Creeping liberalism has it’s place. Remembrance events aren’t it. Ze Germans / Japs / Argies / Iraqis / Taliban / whatever, can have their own versions if they want, but mixing it up, is as bad as urinating on the graves of the fallen in my book.On that basis, to me it doesn't matter what side you were on, who started it or who won. It's a far more powerful commemoration when you stand side by side with your ex-foe and remember all those who fell.
Edited by GOATever on Thursday 21st November 08:22
stickleback123 said:
GOATever said:
janesmith1950 said:
o me remberance events are about reminding us how terrible wars are and honouring those who sacrificed themselves on behalf of their fellow citizens.
On that basis, to me it doesn't matter what side you were on, who started it or who won. It's a far more powerful commemoration when you stand side by side with your ex-foe and remember all those who fell.
No, absolutely not. You’d have been shot at dawn for that thinking, during WW1. Creeping liberalism has it’s place. Remembrance events aren’t it. Ze Germans / Japs / Argies / Iraqis / Taliban / whatever, can have their own versions if they want, but mixing it up, is as bad as urinating on the graves of the fallen in my book.On that basis, to me it doesn't matter what side you were on, who started it or who won. It's a far more powerful commemoration when you stand side by side with your ex-foe and remember all those who fell.
Edited by GOATever on Thursday 21st November 08:22
Or in other words "Es ist geschehen, und folglich kann es wieder geschehen. Darin liegt der Kern dessen, was wir zu sagen haben"
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