Misfits, Dad's Army Types et al...

Misfits, Dad's Army Types et al...

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BossHogg

3,821 posts

128 months

Friday 22nd November 2019
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GOATever said:
From a monkey, to an ape laugh
Monkey to a womble actually. wink

BossHogg

3,821 posts

128 months

Friday 22nd November 2019
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vantara said:
BossHogg, I’m also ex service police (navy - 29yrs) and now a HETO. Which area are you if you don’t mind me asking (I’m in the south east).
I'm North West, one of my colleagues is ex RNP wink

GOATever

2,140 posts

17 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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Oldred_V8S said:
And those unfortunate to suffer PTSD, who refused to fight were often shot as cowards. Thankfully we are slightly more enlightened today.
Governments start wars, not the poor unfortunates that have to fight them where it is often kill or be killed.
‘Shell shock’ as it was then. It’s an issue that non psychopaths, are expected to be able to function as psychopaths. The training tries to bust everyone down to zero, then mould them as psychopaths, but in reality ( especially during the conscription era ) that was never going to fly. It still holds today, but the biff chit exit strategy takes care of the ones who really can’t do it now.

Crossflow Kid

11,644 posts

141 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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GOATever said:
‘Shell shock’ as it was then. It’s an issue that non psychopaths, are expected to be able to function as psychopaths. The training tries to bust everyone down to zero, then mould them as psychopaths, but in reality ( especially during the conscription era ) that was never going to fly. It still holds today, but the biff chit exit strategy takes care of the ones who really can’t do it now.
You’re a bit odd.

GOATever

2,140 posts

17 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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Crossflow Kid said:
You’re a bit odd.
Yep.

LimaDelta

4,141 posts

168 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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Oldred_V8S said:
And those unfortunate to suffer PTSD, who refused to fight were often shot as cowards. Thankfully we are slightly more enlightened today.
Governments start wars, not the poor unfortunates that have to fight them where it is often kill or be killed.
Not quite right. During the course of WWI there were only a handful shot for cowardice, and not that many more for desertion, and even then it was generally reserved for serial deserters. The total was about 300 out of 660,000 (0.05%) killed during the four years of fighting. I'm not saying it was right, but the way people talk about it today you would think it was a common occurrence. It was not.

Dont like rolls

2,132 posts

4 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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LimaDelta said:
Not quite right. During the course of WWI there were only a handful shot for cowardice, and not that many more for desertion, and even then it was generally reserved for serial deserters. The total was about 300 out of 660,000 (0.05%) killed during the four years of fighting. I'm not saying it was right, but the way people talk about it today you would think it was a common occurrence. It was not.
Agree

https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/...

Red 4

7,393 posts

137 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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Oldred_V8S said:
And those unfortunate to suffer PTSD, who refused to fight were often shot as cowards. Thankfully we are slightly more enlightened today.
Governments start wars, not the poor unfortunates that have to fight them where it is often kill or be killed.
You think we are more enlightened today ?

I have PTSD but mine is mild compared to some people.

I've got a mate who is an ex-para.

He served in Iraq and went through hell. I'll spare you the details of what happened to him.

The army treated him like st.

That is not uncommon.

The only people who really understand PTSD are organisations like Combat Stress.

The NHS, for example, are pretty clueless.


Edited by Red 4 on Saturday 23 November 22:17

GOATever

2,140 posts

17 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v...

Priceless. “I can’t remember my army number, or which operation I was on”?

Edited by GOATever on Monday 2nd December 11:32

Frank7

4,340 posts

37 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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GOATever said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v...

Priceless. “I can’t remember my army number, or which operation I was on”?

Edited by GOATever on Monday 2nd December 11:32
I have no comment to make on the guy in the video, but I still remember my elder son’s service number from when he was in the army and I wrote to him, and he’s been out for over 30 years.
Please God his younger brother, in the Signals back then, doesn’t ask if I remember his, as I don’t.

The Mad Monk

6,376 posts

67 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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What do these WM types do? Do they buy a cap badge and a beret online and then a bit of army/service uniform and wear it to a gathering, hoping they won't be challenged?

98elise

15,741 posts

111 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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GOATever said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v...

Priceless. “I can’t remember my army number, or which operation I was on”?

Edited by GOATever on Monday 2nd December 11:32
I've never met an ex-serviceman that couldn't remember their number. I left 30 years ago and I can recall it without hesitation.

yellowjack

12,706 posts

116 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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The Mad Monk said:
What do these WM types do? Do they buy a cap badge and a beret online and then a bit of army/service uniform and wear it to a gathering, hoping they won't be challenged?
Probably. I mean, you can buy pretty much anything, these days. Or fake it up online. I recall seeing a veteran badge in a local 'antique' shop last year. I wish i'd bought it too, as I seem to have lost mine in a recent house move.

I can't get too excited about this to be honest. Some of these Walts seem to have serious issues, and are deserving of some sympathy and compassion, especially if their lives are so empty that they have time, and the inclination, to play dress-up. The only ones I have a serious problem with are those that use fictitious service to gain confidence, or in fraud/theft attempts.

Service persons are not all good people either, to be fair. Back in the early 1990s about half a dozen soldiers in my Squadron were discharged and some served prison sentences for fraud/theft. They were using hired-in minibuses and army fuel to go around various pubs in the area rattling collecting tins for a fictitious charity. They even took in some well-meaning volunteers who were also subject to investigation, but had genuinely believed they were collecting for legitimate causes. A couple of the ringleaders were on the up, too, career-wise, but threw away good careers and decent pensions for a share of a few thousand quid "for the sick kiddies". After all, none of the armed services puts it's potential recruits through a 'hero filter' before signing them up. So the services are simply a cross-section of the society from which they recruit, including violent thugs, burglars, fraudsters, rapists, etc. They're just the ones who haven't been caught yet.

The Mad Monk

6,376 posts

67 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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98elise said:
I left 30 years ago and I can recall it without hesitation.
62 years ago. Any advance?

GOATever

2,140 posts

17 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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The Mad Monk said:
What do these WM types do? Do they buy a cap badge and a beret online and then a bit of army/service uniform and wear it to a gathering, hoping they won't be challenged?
Pretty much. Except it gets really brazen sometimes. They march in remembrance parades, with fake eBay medals, lay wreaths, and try and blag it at reunions, and places like the RBL

GOATever

2,140 posts

17 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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This is where the line gets blurred between bit of a tw@, and downright dangerous levels of Walty idiocy.

https://ibasouthpacific.com/#team



https://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/The_Baron_of_Castlesh...

This clown is well known, but still he tries this stuff on.

Scabutz

2,455 posts

30 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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GOATever said:
This is where the line gets blurred between bit of a tw@, and downright dangerous levels of Walty idiocy.

https://ibasouthpacific.com/#team



https://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/The_Baron_of_Castlesh...

This clown is well known, but still he tries this stuff on.
Hes a weapons grade lunatic.

I know its fiction, but his website offers a counter sniper course. Who in all honesty needs protection to that level (I mean who needs it all) and would take someone who has been on a course. Sire, we have two candidates for your protection detail. One a formal Royal Marine sniper, 18 years service, including 8 in the SBS, 2 tours of Irag, 2 in Afghanistan. Or we have Graham who went on a 2 day course and got a made up diploma. Worth about as much as his Guns and Ammo subscription.

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

49 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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I tell you one thing chaps - I did the first day of my Blue Lights Response Driving Course today - it's really interesting, a bit stressful and a bit nervy but also cracking fun when the traffic just parts in front of you. I've sat in the passenger seat on plenty of call-outs boggling at some of the decisions people make when an emergency vehicle pops up behind them, different dimension when you're in control.

BossHogg

3,821 posts

128 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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98elise said:
I've never met an ex-serviceman that couldn't remember their number. I left 30 years ago and I can recall it without hesitation.
Exactly, I've had my number since 1984 and can still rattle it off without thinking. Spluttering it out during training in the gas chamber made sure I never forgot it! laugh

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

49 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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BossHogg said:
98elise said:
I've never met an ex-serviceman that couldn't remember their number. I left 30 years ago and I can recall it without hesitation.
Exactly, I've had my number since 1984 and can still rattle it off without thinking. Spluttering it out during training in the gas chamber made sure I never forgot it! laugh
Same here - any serviceperson who says they can't remember it without a significant medical excuse is a liar.