Flat Earthers- what to do with em
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Of all conspiracies I think flat earth is the worst. As someone said above what is for "people" to gain by pretending its round? Even some 9/11 conspiracies have a possible reason behind them, even if the actual process is clearly bulls
t. I have a similar problem on my FB feed from someone who is an ant-vaxer. In the end I un-followed so I don't have to see it
My favourite piece of flat earth lore is that at the edge of the earth NASA people are there to stop people falling off.
t. I have a similar problem on my FB feed from someone who is an ant-vaxer. In the end I un-followed so I don't have to see itMy favourite piece of flat earth lore is that at the edge of the earth NASA people are there to stop people falling off.
i once also got into a debate with a Jehovas witness (friend of a friend on a group walk in Derbyshire and he latched on) about dinosaurs, fossils and so forth. crux of that discussion is that scientists are part of some background conspiracy against their religions beliefs. What suprised me then was the absolute certainty of a very well educated and well spoken guy who to all intents and purposes could argue politely and clearly with his own proof system and explain away hundreds of years of research etc.
200Plus Club said:
It's very bizarre. It used to be illuminati stuff all the time. I just ignore it and accept he just thinks differently. But the flat earth stuff (to someone with an engineers brain) seems just too far out there
I'm tempted to ask what "they" are gaining from deceiving us all, it must have cost trillions to do so.
He can see the moon at night, that's round, how do they explain that one away?
Puzzling lol
They will argue the moon is just a flat disc like a record ( for us oldies) or DVD discs for the moderns!I'm tempted to ask what "they" are gaining from deceiving us all, it must have cost trillions to do so.
He can see the moon at night, that's round, how do they explain that one away?
Puzzling lol
Russian Troll Bot said:
The thing that has always confused me is, even if the world is flat, what reason or gain would governments have to hide it from us? At least with other conspiracy theories like Area 51 or JFK you could make a logical argument as to why it would be kept secret.
Exactly. i'm tempted to ask him this purely out of interest, i suspect its tied in with some of his other 9/11 and Illuminati type "shares"Dark85 said:
1.)Suggest a holiday to Tenby
2.) Take him to this bandstand https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6721395,-4.69370...
3.) Look East and see the Gower on the horizon, it looks like an island but it's the end of a peninsular, the google picture is a little messed up but it's there.
4.) Go down to the jetty people are using to the lower right - look in the same direction and you'll see nothing but open water.
5.) Ask him to explain where the Gower has gone.
Theey 'explain' this phenomonon as 'atmospheric lensing' whereby over distance the atmosphere acts like a giant lens..2.) Take him to this bandstand https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6721395,-4.69370...
3.) Look East and see the Gower on the horizon, it looks like an island but it's the end of a peninsular, the google picture is a little messed up but it's there.
4.) Go down to the jetty people are using to the lower right - look in the same direction and you'll see nothing but open water.
5.) Ask him to explain where the Gower has gone.
It must be true because I saw a YT video explaining it with a model consisting of a picture of a city skyline and a lens
Russian Troll Bot said:
The thing that has always confused me is, even if the world is flat, what reason or gain would governments have to hide it from us? At least with other conspiracy theories like Area 51 or JFK you could make a logical argument as to why it would be kept secret.
Check out the political climate change threads on here. People on here are convinced that the government and scientists and people like NASA are in on a scam and the scientists are on the take.
It’s like any cult. People ignore or discredit all evidence, try to discredit experts and only read ‘facts’ that support their world view.
The problem is now that we have too much information online. There’s no baseline for facts anymore. You can find articles that support any world view you have. Then algorithms on google and Facebook and search engines and news feeds etc reinforce your bias by showing you more from the same sources.
Before if you wanted facts you went to a library or checked out your encyclopaedia. Now people get their facts from bloggers, fringe scientists and biased news sources and people on YouTube.
That’s why politics are so polarised, people just get their own views reflected back at them online all the time. Confirming their own biases. We’re all just in our own online bubbles, then we’re shocked when we come into contact with someone from a different online bubble with totally different biases from different sources to our own.
If you find yourself saying that NASA etc are in on some sort of scam and you believe fringe bloggers instead, it really ought to ring some kind of alarm though.
This resurgence in FE arguments is simple to me. People want 'followers' on the internet, for various reasons. They 'publish' 'facts' on the net, which get sad peoples attention. People without something else going on in their life that they can attach to.
the underlying reason is to get traffic to various sites for advertising revenue. How many people watch these videos and presentations? How much revenue is produced that then funds these 'publishers' to live a life of sitting around smoking dope and spouting crap?
it used to be done by publishing books. Now its traffic to revenue producing sites. The site itself might not be covered in adverts, but there will be links to 'source material' hosted on the likes of youtube.
the more publicity that gets generated on MSM about these FE weirdo's, the more traffic is directed at them. You get it moving, and it starts working like a pyramid scheme. before you know it your charging gullible people subscription fees for a news letter or something.
there is no other logical reason for this to resurface in my view, other than someone somewhere saying to themselves " I wonder if I can make money from saying something stupid to the millions of gullible people out there".... sell them something to fill their minds with.
much like religion. but that market's pretty much saturated.
the underlying reason is to get traffic to various sites for advertising revenue. How many people watch these videos and presentations? How much revenue is produced that then funds these 'publishers' to live a life of sitting around smoking dope and spouting crap?
it used to be done by publishing books. Now its traffic to revenue producing sites. The site itself might not be covered in adverts, but there will be links to 'source material' hosted on the likes of youtube.
the more publicity that gets generated on MSM about these FE weirdo's, the more traffic is directed at them. You get it moving, and it starts working like a pyramid scheme. before you know it your charging gullible people subscription fees for a news letter or something.
there is no other logical reason for this to resurface in my view, other than someone somewhere saying to themselves " I wonder if I can make money from saying something stupid to the millions of gullible people out there".... sell them something to fill their minds with.
much like religion. but that market's pretty much saturated.
There are an AWFUL lot of really, really, REALLY thick people out there - social media tends to expose us to people like this that we wouldn't normally come across.
Moon hoax conspiracy theorists are right up there with flat earthers, people with absolutely no idea what they are on about. The comments sections on FB Nasa 360 posts are a goldmine for these types, and if you want to see the general state of thes on the internet you need look no further than the comments section of most Youtube videos. Or Lily Allen's twitter feed.
They walk among us.
Moon hoax conspiracy theorists are right up there with flat earthers, people with absolutely no idea what they are on about. The comments sections on FB Nasa 360 posts are a goldmine for these types, and if you want to see the general state of the
s on the internet you need look no further than the comments section of most Youtube videos. Or Lily Allen's twitter feed.They walk among us.
thinking about it, you are probably right that the underlying reasons are revenue generating linked, and the appear to work pulling in a lot of people who can be led. the 9/11 conspiracy theorists have at least some tangible evidence from previous subterfuge schemes i suppose to give them a basis to work from and to argue day and night.
i suppose it makes life on the net interesting at least lol
i suppose it makes life on the net interesting at least lol
kambites said:
Stu08 said:
Or is the moon disc shaped; we just coincidentally see it from the correct angle for it to appear spherical...........
Well it is tidally locked to the earth so we do always see the same side. However, if it was flat, you'd be able to see the turtle's head sticking out. Just want to start off by pointing out I also think the FE theory is odd. So many ways to debunk it - their map has Australia the same size as Russia, where in reality Russia is 6,000 miles long and Australia is only 2,500 miles long. Also we know how long plane flights take, for example I can book a Qantas flight from Jo-berg to Sydney with no stops and it'll take 11hrs 40 minutes. Look at the FE map they've drawn up, it would take about 4 times longer by their theory.
As for why would governments and agencies want to keep it a secret if it were true... hard to say really. Imagine if it were real and it got out, people would doubt everything they were ever told. I'll keep my opinions on certain events in recent times to myself but I for one don't believe absolutely everything we're told but I don't believe the earth is flat, logic and science debunks it.
As for why would governments and agencies want to keep it a secret if it were true... hard to say really. Imagine if it were real and it got out, people would doubt everything they were ever told. I'll keep my opinions on certain events in recent times to myself but I for one don't believe absolutely everything we're told but I don't believe the earth is flat, logic and science debunks it.
Hoofy said:
Sure he's not trolling? I considered doing it for a giggle on FB but I'm no good at keeping something like that up for a long time.
Exactly.Most flat earthers and their websites are obviously iirony and people quite clearly taking the piss.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/9/16424622/reddit...
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BoRED S2upid said:
Is this chap educated at all? Can’t believe they haven’t thought it through. He obviously hasn’t been in an aeroplane when the sun rises you can see the curve or is that just some sort of optical illusion to them?
being fair, he's a decent guy,runs his own business (hands on type work but very good at it), builds cars and engines as a hobby, has other interests, and is not someone i would class as thick or anything. There's always been a history of "anti" govt/illuminati type stuff on his feed, and 9/11 stuff. Obviously a lot of posts telling people they need to do their own research, and sharing links and stuff he obviously picked up doing his own. Hence my puzzlement at the FE stuff, when i assume like me he has flown literally hours in planes to get to places etc. There is just no credible reasons i've seen him or others post as to why the FE deception would be ongoing, and how. I can understand the conspiracy stuff about 9/11 to a degree, and have chuckled at the Moon landing stuff, but we are after all in space, i can see the ISS flash by on occasion with my binoculars, i cant however see Ice walls and NASA staff running the show! Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff