When will we be able to go to the pub again?
Discussion
jakesmith said:
Life must be very difficult for you if you can’t see that:
- life isn’t perfect
- information used to make decisions changes
- the public mood needs to be considered in a free society to maintain public order
- As I’ve already told you the government has tried to balance the economy and health which is essentially always going to produce victims in both areas
- ‘the science’ is not a consolidated consensus that stays constant as a situation develops. It is a myriad of different views and models.
You strike me as the sort of person who would complain no matter what happens, making your experience of life very hard for yourself and others around you.
Suffice to say everything you’ve written above I disagree with half of it is complete nonsense.
Probably best to agree to disagree at this stage
Hang on, you are that John Lewis bloke from other threads?- life isn’t perfect
- information used to make decisions changes
- the public mood needs to be considered in a free society to maintain public order
- As I’ve already told you the government has tried to balance the economy and health which is essentially always going to produce victims in both areas
- ‘the science’ is not a consolidated consensus that stays constant as a situation develops. It is a myriad of different views and models.
You strike me as the sort of person who would complain no matter what happens, making your experience of life very hard for yourself and others around you.
Suffice to say everything you’ve written above I disagree with half of it is complete nonsense.
Probably best to agree to disagree at this stage
Yep agreed, let's not discuss this any more
Carrot said:
jakesmith said:
Life must be very difficult for you if you can’t see that:
- life isn’t perfect
- information used to make decisions changes
- the public mood needs to be considered in a free society to maintain public order
- As I’ve already told you the government has tried to balance the economy and health which is essentially always going to produce victims in both areas
- ‘the science’ is not a consolidated consensus that stays constant as a situation develops. It is a myriad of different views and models.
You strike me as the sort of person who would complain no matter what happens, making your experience of life very hard for yourself and others around you.
Suffice to say everything you’ve written above I disagree with half of it is complete nonsense.
Probably best to agree to disagree at this stage
Hang on, you are that John Lewis bloke from other threads?- life isn’t perfect
- information used to make decisions changes
- the public mood needs to be considered in a free society to maintain public order
- As I’ve already told you the government has tried to balance the economy and health which is essentially always going to produce victims in both areas
- ‘the science’ is not a consolidated consensus that stays constant as a situation develops. It is a myriad of different views and models.
You strike me as the sort of person who would complain no matter what happens, making your experience of life very hard for yourself and others around you.
Suffice to say everything you’ve written above I disagree with half of it is complete nonsense.
Probably best to agree to disagree at this stage
Yep agreed, let's not discuss this any more
No wonder you can’t get your head around being given some basic instructions that change over the course of a year!!!
Sorry had I know it was you I’d have ignored you like how everyone else does! Take care and probably best you don’t try and use the kettle or anything LOL
jakesmith said:
Carrot said:
jakesmith said:
Life must be very difficult for you if you can’t see that:
- life isn’t perfect
- information used to make decisions changes
- the public mood needs to be considered in a free society to maintain public order
- As I’ve already told you the government has tried to balance the economy and health which is essentially always going to produce victims in both areas
- ‘the science’ is not a consolidated consensus that stays constant as a situation develops. It is a myriad of different views and models.
You strike me as the sort of person who would complain no matter what happens, making your experience of life very hard for yourself and others around you.
Suffice to say everything you’ve written above I disagree with half of it is complete nonsense.
Probably best to agree to disagree at this stage
Hang on, you are that John Lewis bloke from other threads?- life isn’t perfect
- information used to make decisions changes
- the public mood needs to be considered in a free society to maintain public order
- As I’ve already told you the government has tried to balance the economy and health which is essentially always going to produce victims in both areas
- ‘the science’ is not a consolidated consensus that stays constant as a situation develops. It is a myriad of different views and models.
You strike me as the sort of person who would complain no matter what happens, making your experience of life very hard for yourself and others around you.
Suffice to say everything you’ve written above I disagree with half of it is complete nonsense.
Probably best to agree to disagree at this stage
Yep agreed, let's not discuss this any more
No wonder you can’t get your head around being given some basic instructions that change over the course of a year!!!
Sorry had I know it was you I’d have ignored you like how everyone else does! Take care and probably best you don’t try and use the kettle or anything LOL
Can we just get back to this:
Some people, not just Tonker, are making statements that claim that the government somehow want to delay hospitality/shops opening for reasons other than the virus, or that they want pubs to close down, or they want to somehow use the virus as an excuse to control us.
No one has managed to put forward any kind of a coherent argument as to why the government would want to do any of those things.
It makes absolutely no sense that they would deliberately annoy the public, bankrupt businesses, and decimate certain business sectors unless they believed they were doing it for reasons of public health.
In order to get voted back in, the government need popularity, public support, and businesses/employees to feel like they support them and trust them, otherwise it's game over and the other parties get a shot at running the country next time around.
We can argue all day as to whether they are are incompetent or being overly cautious with the medical data, but that isn't what we are talking about. Some are saying they are saying that they are deliberately gaslighting us, misleading us, and trying to keep us out of pubs, shops, holidays etc for some mysterious reason, and I do no believe that is true for one moment.
It is in the governments own interest to open everything back up as quickly as possible.
My view is this: The government fears bad press from people dying and hospitals being full more than they fear the bad press from businesses going bust and people losing jobs, so they are veering fairly heavily towards 'playing it safe' with regards to public health.
anonymous said:
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jakesmith said:
You know on social media I'd just ignore that comment but you're an intelligent man so I have to ask - to what end? It is hardly making them popular or bolstering treasury tax take. It may all well get delayed but it will be through incompetence or circumstances, not deliberately to exercise 'control' surely.
Becuase that right there is really interesting.Some people, not just Tonker, are making statements that claim that the government somehow want to delay hospitality/shops opening for reasons other than the virus, or that they want pubs to close down, or they want to somehow use the virus as an excuse to control us.
No one has managed to put forward any kind of a coherent argument as to why the government would want to do any of those things.
It makes absolutely no sense that they would deliberately annoy the public, bankrupt businesses, and decimate certain business sectors unless they believed they were doing it for reasons of public health.
In order to get voted back in, the government need popularity, public support, and businesses/employees to feel like they support them and trust them, otherwise it's game over and the other parties get a shot at running the country next time around.
We can argue all day as to whether they are are incompetent or being overly cautious with the medical data, but that isn't what we are talking about. Some are saying they are saying that they are deliberately gaslighting us, misleading us, and trying to keep us out of pubs, shops, holidays etc for some mysterious reason, and I do no believe that is true for one moment.
It is in the governments own interest to open everything back up as quickly as possible.
My view is this: The government fears bad press from people dying and hospitals being full more than they fear the bad press from businesses going bust and people losing jobs, so they are veering fairly heavily towards 'playing it safe' with regards to public health.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 2nd March 09:18
I still find it impossible to believe that with deaths at a low level and dropping, positive tests doing the same, hospitalisations at 1/3rd of peak and 20 million vaccinated it is still illegal to visit your neighbour in their garden.
And as for pubs not being able to properly open until at least late June, I find myself questioning the Government's motives at every level.
Well before that date in June we could easily be at single figure deaths per day, certainly low double digits, and positive tests in the few hundreds. These are simply not figures that can possibly warrant the duration involved.
And as for pubs not being able to properly open until at least late June, I find myself questioning the Government's motives at every level.
Well before that date in June we could easily be at single figure deaths per day, certainly low double digits, and positive tests in the few hundreds. These are simply not figures that can possibly warrant the duration involved.
SCEtoAUX said:
I still find it impossible to believe that with deaths at a low level and dropping, positive tests doing the same, hospitalisations at 1/3rd of peak and 20 million vaccinated it is still illegal to visit your neighbour in their garden.
And as for pubs not being able to properly open until at least late June, I find myself questioning the Government's motives at every level.
Well before that date in June we could easily be at single figure deaths per day, certainly low double digits, and positive tests in the few hundreds. These are simply not figures that can possibly warrant the duration involved.
Please please please explain what your ideas are around potential malign government intentions for delaying pub opening, and even more importantly, why they are doing it and how you think it will benefit them or in fact anyone. Should be good for a laugh! And as for pubs not being able to properly open until at least late June, I find myself questioning the Government's motives at every level.
Well before that date in June we could easily be at single figure deaths per day, certainly low double digits, and positive tests in the few hundreds. These are simply not figures that can possibly warrant the duration involved.
Dog Star said:
Anyone remember this time about 50 or so weeks ago - everyone was thinking "yeah, we will be back up and running again by June or July" and putting their holidays back til August and September? 
Oh the naivety!
The number of people who thought we would be still in this sort of locked down state for 14 months would have been very small, and they'd have been derided as pessimistic fools.
I did put my holiday back to August last year and did go to the Nürburgring for a week. So what was naive about that? Oh the naivety!The number of people who thought we would be still in this sort of locked down state for 14 months would have been very small, and they'd have been derided as pessimistic fools.
Elatino1 said:
I did put my holiday back to August last year and did go to the Nürburgring for a week. So what was naive about that?
Excellent good for you. You were fully aware this was going to go on for 18months and took the chances of going for it because of that? Not everyone can just change dates and work around delayed holidays. A lot of people had to cancel completely hoping to book again later in the year. Then there was the opening and closing of travel corridors which didn't exactly encourage you to book anything. If a corridor could be closed with a few days notice.
I was travelling through airports all the time with work last summer, even the hubs seemed to be at 30-40% of what they usually are. A lot of people didn't do a holiday abroad last year.
I was one of the naive, just like probably most of us that it would be done and dusted by Summer 2020 and normality returns. Very wrong on that one.
Elatino1 said:
Well I certainly wouldn't have wanted to get on a plane at the height of a pandemic (still wouldn't) but didn't see much harm in an 8hr drive isolated in a car.
It's just the sweeping statement that anyone that went away or wanted to go away was somehow naive.
We did 2 driving holidays last year. No problems at all as with just 2 of us in the car very low risk.It's just the sweeping statement that anyone that went away or wanted to go away was somehow naive.
bad company said:
Elatino1 said:
Well I certainly wouldn't have wanted to get on a plane at the height of a pandemic (still wouldn't) but didn't see much harm in an 8hr drive isolated in a car.
It's just the sweeping statement that anyone that went away or wanted to go away was somehow naive.
We did 2 driving holidays last year. No problems at all as with just 2 of us in the car very low risk.It's just the sweeping statement that anyone that went away or wanted to go away was somehow naive.
And the Isle of Man is back into fullockdown, four weeks after the pubs opened again (with everything else)
Contact tracing has today identified one packed music venue on Friday night and a pub the a person who today tested positive was in for 8 hours on Saturday night.
17 cases today and it looks like its going to snowball as there was zero distancing, masks etc.
Contact tracing has today identified one packed music venue on Friday night and a pub the a person who today tested positive was in for 8 hours on Saturday night.
17 cases today and it looks like its going to snowball as there was zero distancing, masks etc.
Davetheraver said:
And the Isle of Man is back into fullockdown, four weeks after the pubs opened again (with everything else)
Contact tracing has today identified one packed music venue on Friday night and a pub the a person who today tested positive was in for 8 hours on Saturday night.
17 cases today and it looks like its going to snowball as there was zero distancing, masks etc.
Thats a sContact tracing has today identified one packed music venue on Friday night and a pub the a person who today tested positive was in for 8 hours on Saturday night.
17 cases today and it looks like its going to snowball as there was zero distancing, masks etc.
t deal......Davetheraver said:
My phone says I have been in 42 different drink and eating venues in February. 132 total visits.
Probably shows how people are liable to go nuts when able to (we had only been locked down for three weeks since June, and people still went nuts)
Imagine what it's going to be like in Leicester, we'll have been locked down for 14 months by the time the pubs reopen, it's gonna be chaos, I can't wait!Probably shows how people are liable to go nuts when able to (we had only been locked down for three weeks since June, and people still went nuts)
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