When will we be able to go to the pub again?
Discussion
Went to my local last night for a few: no bookings needed, write your 'name' on a slip of paper when you enter, no time limits, try to remember to wear a mask when you go for a piss and that’s about it.
It's not perfect and I could do without the mask and signing in nonsense but if the last year has taught me anything it's that getting pissed off about things you can't control just leads to stress. Laugh at the bulls
t the government and bed-wetting types come out with and try to live as best as you can.
I enjoyed many nice pints of real ale and a good chat/the normal pub-based silly conversations.
My missus and I sit outside all year round when we go to the pub as we are both filthy smokers so the cold weather is not an issue – just wear a decent jacket (Mountain Equipment Lightline FTW).
Mind, I’m not feeling my best today…
It's not perfect and I could do without the mask and signing in nonsense but if the last year has taught me anything it's that getting pissed off about things you can't control just leads to stress. Laugh at the bulls
t the government and bed-wetting types come out with and try to live as best as you can.I enjoyed many nice pints of real ale and a good chat/the normal pub-based silly conversations.
My missus and I sit outside all year round when we go to the pub as we are both filthy smokers so the cold weather is not an issue – just wear a decent jacket (Mountain Equipment Lightline FTW).
Mind, I’m not feeling my best today…
I find it interesting the government want to give time between each removal of restrictions to see the effect on infections.
As opposed to the almost daily scattergun approach of implementing them last year.
As soon as we see infections rising, no matter the vaccination process, no matter the age groups involved. Controls will either be delayed, or we will revert back to an existence over winter. Its the primary response to infection control for the Government. And if it isn't infections, it will be extreme caution on variants. Something that in theory will never go away.
I feel very sorry for publicans and the breweries, a huge shadow cast over them that will possibly be there for years. Whilst lots avoid the controls and rules, and drink in everyone's garden pubs.
As opposed to the almost daily scattergun approach of implementing them last year.
As soon as we see infections rising, no matter the vaccination process, no matter the age groups involved. Controls will either be delayed, or we will revert back to an existence over winter. Its the primary response to infection control for the Government. And if it isn't infections, it will be extreme caution on variants. Something that in theory will never go away.
I feel very sorry for publicans and the breweries, a huge shadow cast over them that will possibly be there for years. Whilst lots avoid the controls and rules, and drink in everyone's garden pubs.
Lord Marylebone said:
Are they doing it badly? Yes.
Are they sometimes incompetent? Yes.
Are they making poor decisions along the way? Yes.
Are they backtracking on stuff and changing their minds as they go? Yes.
You have a barely competent government being their usual barely competent selves, but that's about the top and bottom of it.
This is where I've been all along. I don't subscribe to the more outlandish theories, however, with that said. I do believe, as I've said a few times, that there will be people and organisations taking advantage of the crisis to drive their own agenda.Are they sometimes incompetent? Yes.
Are they making poor decisions along the way? Yes.
Are they backtracking on stuff and changing their minds as they go? Yes.
You have a barely competent government being their usual barely competent selves, but that's about the top and bottom of it.
As has been done since time immemorial.
Dog Star said:
I'm probably being paranoid, but I can see them shutting hospitality down again anyway; the tiniest upward movement and they'll just whack-a-mole it. It's the easiest thing for them to say "look! We are controlling the virus".
If they don't get shut down again I'll be surprised. If I owned a pub in such circumstances this would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back.
Honestly, people will just go to houses and have drinks, as they have been doing for the past 12 months, which has caused this virus to spread even more than it would normally.If they don't get shut down again I'll be surprised. If I owned a pub in such circumstances this would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back.
They know this, I really fail to understand it, it's like they want hospitality shut, but that sounds like I'm a conspiracy loon.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
If it wasn’t for the fact that the numbers of people in hospital and (particularly ) in ICUs is actually currently 4 times higher in the U.K. than at the previous ‘low water mark’ there might have been a chance that people would be given all their freedoms back a bit sooner. Unfortunately ( yet again ) too many people decided lockdown wasn’t for them, too soon, and now we’re all paying for it ( again ). It seems that far too many people think this situation is some sort of comedy, that they don’t need to take at all seriously. Well if there are repeats of last year’s performances when restrictions were lifted, and anything unexpected happens with the virus, and / or vaccination programme, we’ll be back to another batch of restrictions on our lives, and the dream of being able to get back to the pub, or whatever, like we used to, will be pushed away again.
The lowest point, (22nd August 2020) was 72 - in the height of summer. Lets assume that's your "low water mark". Last published data point on the 6th of April 2021 (frosty cold spring) is 221. That's 3.08.Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Tuesday 13th April 01:22
I hope to God your occupation doesn't require you to use maths.
But, on the upshot, at least we know you unquestioningly accept information that conforms to your existing paradigm.
Interestingly, your forum handle - I assume inspired by Maximus Decimus Meridius? A man noted for his... Blind adherence to tyranny? Or wait, no no, that's right - a maverick who disobeyed authority that betrayed him and he felt it unjust. Just a thought.
Leicester Loyal said:
Honestly, people will just go to houses and have drinks, as they have been doing for the past 12 months, which has caused this virus to spread even more than it would normally.
They know this, I really fail to understand it, it's like they want hospitality shut, but that sounds like I'm a conspiracy loon.
I don’t believe there’s any thinking involved on their part. They just believe that because they aren’t getting caught / fined, that’s all that matters.They know this, I really fail to understand it, it's like they want hospitality shut, but that sounds like I'm a conspiracy loon.
Uggers said:
I find it interesting the government want to give time between each removal of restrictions to see the effect on infections.
As opposed to the almost daily scattergun approach of implementing them last year.
As soon as we see infections rising, no matter the vaccination process, no matter the age groups involved. Controls will either be delayed, or we will revert back to an existence over winter. Its the primary response to infection control for the Government. And if it isn't infections, it will be extreme caution on variants. Something that in theory will never go away.
I feel very sorry for publicans and the breweries, a huge shadow cast over them that will possibly be there for years. Whilst lots avoid the controls and rules, and drink in everyone's garden pubs.
^This exactly.As opposed to the almost daily scattergun approach of implementing them last year.
As soon as we see infections rising, no matter the vaccination process, no matter the age groups involved. Controls will either be delayed, or we will revert back to an existence over winter. Its the primary response to infection control for the Government. And if it isn't infections, it will be extreme caution on variants. Something that in theory will never go away.
I feel very sorry for publicans and the breweries, a huge shadow cast over them that will possibly be there for years. Whilst lots avoid the controls and rules, and drink in everyone's garden pubs.
I believe that the onus is going to be put on published infection rates as of now, rather than hospitalisations / deaths, as that’s seen as shutting the stable doors after the horse has bolted. I’m really hoping this all works as planned this time, as I’ve got a lot of stuff to do, which has been delayed by this stuff.
Mr_Megalomaniac said:
The lowest point, (22nd August 2020) was 72 - in the height of summer. Lets assume that's your "low water mark". Last published data point on the 6th of April 2021 (frosty cold spring) is 221. That's 3.08.
I hope to God your occupation doesn't require you to use maths.
But, on the upshot, at least we know you unquestioningly accept information that conforms to your existing paradigm.
Interestingly, your forum handle - I assume inspired by Maximus Decimus Meridius? A man noted for his... Blind adherence to tyranny? Or wait, no no, that's right - a maverick who disobeyed authority that betrayed him and he felt it unjust. Just a thought.
3.08 and 4 aren’t a million miles away from each other. I was quoting a senior health official, who was being interviewed on the BBC news yesterday.I hope to God your occupation doesn't require you to use maths.
But, on the upshot, at least we know you unquestioningly accept information that conforms to your existing paradigm.
Interestingly, your forum handle - I assume inspired by Maximus Decimus Meridius? A man noted for his... Blind adherence to tyranny? Or wait, no no, that's right - a maverick who disobeyed authority that betrayed him and he felt it unjust. Just a thought.
there will be no return to any restrictions now, its a one way train and its bolted already.
People wont accept another lockdown, once everyones been offered a vax, thats it, normal life.
I live in town by liverpool street, its buzzing and back to normal, shoreditch last night was normal saturday night levels of people.
edit: i went to the pub also, £7 a beer!
People wont accept another lockdown, once everyones been offered a vax, thats it, normal life.
I live in town by liverpool street, its buzzing and back to normal, shoreditch last night was normal saturday night levels of people.
edit: i went to the pub also, £7 a beer!
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
^This exactly.
I believe that the onus is going to be put on published infection rates as of now, rather than hospitalisations / deaths, as that’s seen as shutting the stable doors after the horse has bolted. I’m really hoping this all works as planned this time, as I’ve got a lot of stuff to do, which has been delayed by this stuff.
I think if restricted hospitality had been left open I think ignoring of the rules would have been reduced as people would have accepted seeing friends/loved ones in a controlled environment for a longer period of time. I believe that the onus is going to be put on published infection rates as of now, rather than hospitalisations / deaths, as that’s seen as shutting the stable doors after the horse has bolted. I’m really hoping this all works as planned this time, as I’ve got a lot of stuff to do, which has been delayed by this stuff.
That they decided to stop nearly all meaningful human contact with others for 4 months, meant people over time thought f
k it and see their family and friends in their homes. But then that's common sense to know that's what people would do and to be honest completely understandable IMO. Maximus_Meridius101 said:
3.08 and 4 aren’t a million miles away from each other. I was quoting a senior health official, who was being interviewed on the BBC news yesterday.
The thing is we have to accept numbers. We might have got down to 72 admissions a day at the lowpoint but that doesn't mean that is a number we have to aspire to and hold the country to ransom for if we don't achieve that. Spread over the various hospitals that is tiny numbers and as an endemic virus we have to live with it.
Trying to convince the population of that is going to be very hard to reverse due to the government scare campaign.
Maybe (just maybe) seeing people in bars enjoying themselves again will convince them that normality (and acceptance of deaths/risk) has to return. It just has to.
bad company said:
Oh joy, the shops have also reopened. Seriously why are we putting up with this c**p. 
I was travelling through Heathrow on Monday when the shops (or some of them) opened. In a way they must be losing even more money opening up now as there just isn't anyone here.
As time goes on the shops and bars with the most easy going take on the rules will be the ones that do the best. Human nature to take the path of least resistance.
z4RRSchris said:
there will be no return to any restrictions now, its a one way train and its bolted already.
People wont accept another lockdown, once everyones been offered a vax, thats it, normal life.
I live in town by liverpool street, its buzzing and back to normal, shoreditch last night was normal saturday night levels of people.
edit: i went to the pub also, £7 a beer!
I was going to meet a friend at London Bridge but he told me the wait time was an hour to sit on a tiny bench outside plus it was £5 per 330ml bottle so we went Tesco instead got 3 500ml bottles for a fiver and had a drink by the ThamesPeople wont accept another lockdown, once everyones been offered a vax, thats it, normal life.
I live in town by liverpool street, its buzzing and back to normal, shoreditch last night was normal saturday night levels of people.
edit: i went to the pub also, £7 a beer!
Was quite peaceful till going back up to the station where it was fully mental with females pissing in the street and the atmosphere feeling like it would kick off at any time.
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