Discussion
Radec said:
When I was younger I heard about a little girl who got sucked into her TV and lots of other crazy things that happened in the house like furniture moving around by itself and a ghost walking down the stairs.
The called some little old lady to banish the spirits and bring back the girl from the other side.
Then the whole house just curled up into a ball and vanished into thin air.
Apparently the house was built on a ancient Indian burial ground.
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they're here...The called some little old lady to banish the spirits and bring back the girl from the other side.
Then the whole house just curled up into a ball and vanished into thin air.
Apparently the house was built on a ancient Indian burial ground.
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tRoofless Toothless said:
conkerman said:
I'm one in the 'does not exist' category.
Humans are just crap observers. And considering the number of cameras everywhere in todays society, there is still no verifiable evidence.
I have worked at a few sites that are supposed to be haunted, but nothing.
I think the desire for this to be real is so strong that 'I want to believe' becomes, 'It must be, because I believe it.'
There is so much amazing real stuff in the world, why invent new intangibles?
Yet the very first story on here describes photographic evidence.Humans are just crap observers. And considering the number of cameras everywhere in todays society, there is still no verifiable evidence.
I have worked at a few sites that are supposed to be haunted, but nothing.
I think the desire for this to be real is so strong that 'I want to believe' becomes, 'It must be, because I believe it.'
There is so much amazing real stuff in the world, why invent new intangibles?
I also remember the previous thread on here about ghosts, and how it was spoiled by vituperative posts by non believers, and how they would refuse to give any credence at all to the testimony of others.
8Ace said:
I don't get why it's just the recent ones we see - Victorian Spinsters, knights etc. If ghosts are a possibility there should be millions of them around, including ones frm the Bronze age / Black Death / Cro Magnon times
The population was very much smaller way back when. Logical that there are more ‘modern’ apparitions than older ones. paulguitar said:
I'd like to see the OP's CCTV.
Yes, my first thought as well. But my point is that the vehemence of the non believers was so strong that it lead them to simply deny any other argument or 'evidence' that contradicted them, and ruined the thread.I have no experiences to report that could enlighten this debate, so I am quite prepared to keep an open mind about it all. Yet that was picked up by the 'deniers' as something risible.
I wonder why?
Roofless Toothless said:
Yes, my first thought as well. But my point is that the vehemence of the non believers was so strong that it lead them to simply deny any other argument or 'evidence' that contradicted them, and ruined the thread.
I have no experiences to report that could enlighten this debate, so I am quite prepared to keep an open mind about it all. Yet that was picked up by the 'deniers' as something risible.
I wonder why?
I think as humans we really don't like the stuff we can't explain or don't understand. Having said that, I think there is a logical explanation for these things. Last week, for example, I experienced something called 'Hypnagogic hallucinations' and saw some visions resembling cartoon characters. It was completely real to me at the time.I have no experiences to report that could enlighten this debate, so I am quite prepared to keep an open mind about it all. Yet that was picked up by the 'deniers' as something risible.
I wonder why?
I wouldn't for a moment deny that decent, honest people can sincerely believe they've seen something inexplicable. I just tend to be more drawn to the fact that after decades, still, nobody has been able to take the million dollars off James Randi to be able to demonstrate anything supernatural.
I actually do believe in them.
Few experiences I've had go back to when I was a student in Sheffield.
I lived in a shared student house, one time I was quite ill so had gone to sleep early then I woke up in the middle of the night and swear I heard 2 people sat at the end of my bed talking, it wasn't English but something eastern European.
Other times we could hear footsteps upstairs when we were all sat in the living room.
The worst was there was one of those old telephones that you turn to dial that was stuck on the wall at the top of the stairs, it wasn't connected and the wire was just hanging off it.
Every once in a while it would actually ring.
We got used to it but used to tell this to visitors we had over.
I remember telling one of our housemates friends that had come over about it, proper big double hard bd type bloke, que the you're all pussies and no such things like ghosts and laughter from him.
Later on the phone rang and he heard it and shat himself, he actually went and had a piss in the garden rather use the toilet upstairs.
We gave him some proper stick after.
Few experiences I've had go back to when I was a student in Sheffield.
I lived in a shared student house, one time I was quite ill so had gone to sleep early then I woke up in the middle of the night and swear I heard 2 people sat at the end of my bed talking, it wasn't English but something eastern European.
Other times we could hear footsteps upstairs when we were all sat in the living room.
The worst was there was one of those old telephones that you turn to dial that was stuck on the wall at the top of the stairs, it wasn't connected and the wire was just hanging off it.
Every once in a while it would actually ring.
We got used to it but used to tell this to visitors we had over.
I remember telling one of our housemates friends that had come over about it, proper big double hard b
d type bloke, que the you're all pussies and no such things like ghosts and laughter from him.Later on the phone rang and he heard it and shat himself, he actually went and had a piss in the garden rather use the toilet upstairs.
We gave him some proper stick after.
My previous house had an old person that used to wander around. They would mutter but nothing distinguishable. More of a shadow than a bright picture. I thought it was a he and he would be around more when things at home were stressed. Only ever caught a glimpse. Never a full on ghost buster moment.
Best totally unexplained thing that used to happen was watching the stereo volume button turn by itself and get louder. It wasn’t motorised. Then the middle of the night my big stack turned itself on blasting and scaring the ste out of me. I put it down to a timer that had been set. But all timers didn’t have that particular time of night set. I still have that stack system and its never had an issue with any preset timers since.
The following night after the blasting sound system downstairs the small CD player I had in the bedroom at the time did exactly the same thing. That didn’t have the ability to set a turn on timer.
As a kid I used to do a paper round. One Sunday morning one of the neighbours that always said morning young man if I saw him tending his front garden said his usual morning young man and I said hello back. Didn’t think anything of it. Mum was friendly with his family and I over heard her chatting saying he had recently passed away. I butted in saying I said hello to him only this morning. Mum thought I was winding her up as he had died during the week.
Something exists that is unexplained that I’m sure. What or how it works I don’t know. I personally don’t go looking for it. It just happens periodically. I don’t take drugs and don’t suffer any mental illness that could cause hallucinations.
Best totally unexplained thing that used to happen was watching the stereo volume button turn by itself and get louder. It wasn’t motorised. Then the middle of the night my big stack turned itself on blasting and scaring the s
te out of me. I put it down to a timer that had been set. But all timers didn’t have that particular time of night set. I still have that stack system and its never had an issue with any preset timers since. The following night after the blasting sound system downstairs the small CD player I had in the bedroom at the time did exactly the same thing. That didn’t have the ability to set a turn on timer.
As a kid I used to do a paper round. One Sunday morning one of the neighbours that always said morning young man if I saw him tending his front garden said his usual morning young man and I said hello back. Didn’t think anything of it. Mum was friendly with his family and I over heard her chatting saying he had recently passed away. I butted in saying I said hello to him only this morning. Mum thought I was winding her up as he had died during the week.
Something exists that is unexplained that I’m sure. What or how it works I don’t know. I personally don’t go looking for it. It just happens periodically. I don’t take drugs and don’t suffer any mental illness that could cause hallucinations.
RobXjcoupe said:
My previous house had an old person that used to wander around. They would mutter but nothing distinguishable. More of a shadow than a bright picture. I thought it was a he and he would be around more when things at home were stressed. Only ever caught a glimpse. Never a full on ghost buster moment.
Best totally unexplained thing that used to happen was watching the stereo volume button turn by itself and get louder. It wasn’t motorised. Then the middle of the night my big stack turned itself on blasting and scaring the ste out of me. I put it down to a timer that had been set. But all timers didn’t have that particular time of night set. I still have that stack system and its never had an issue with any preset timers since.
The following night after the blasting sound system downstairs the small CD player I had in the bedroom at the time did exactly the same thing. That didn’t have the ability to set a turn on timer.
As a kid I used to do a paper round. One Sunday morning one of the neighbours that always said morning young man if I saw him tending his front garden said his usual morning young man and I said hello back. Didn’t think anything of it. Mum was friendly with his family and I over heard her chatting saying he had recently passed away. I butted in saying I said hello to him only this morning. Mum thought I was winding her up as he had died during the week.
Something exists that is unexplained that I’m sure. What or how it works I don’t know. I personally don’t go looking for it. It just happens periodically. I don’t take drugs and don’t suffer any mental illness that could cause hallucinations.
For the neighbour, that could be a false memory. A frequent greeting for a period of time conflated with the day he died over the years?Best totally unexplained thing that used to happen was watching the stereo volume button turn by itself and get louder. It wasn’t motorised. Then the middle of the night my big stack turned itself on blasting and scaring the s
te out of me. I put it down to a timer that had been set. But all timers didn’t have that particular time of night set. I still have that stack system and its never had an issue with any preset timers since. The following night after the blasting sound system downstairs the small CD player I had in the bedroom at the time did exactly the same thing. That didn’t have the ability to set a turn on timer.
As a kid I used to do a paper round. One Sunday morning one of the neighbours that always said morning young man if I saw him tending his front garden said his usual morning young man and I said hello back. Didn’t think anything of it. Mum was friendly with his family and I over heard her chatting saying he had recently passed away. I butted in saying I said hello to him only this morning. Mum thought I was winding her up as he had died during the week.
Something exists that is unexplained that I’m sure. What or how it works I don’t know. I personally don’t go looking for it. It just happens periodically. I don’t take drugs and don’t suffer any mental illness that could cause hallucinations.
I once saw something at my parents house when I still lived there.
One night my parents were away and I was going to bed, when outside my bedroom door on the hallway was a black shadow that appeared in front of me as I was on the hallway. I couldn't guess the sex but it was certainly person shaped and enough for me to put my arm up to shield myself as it had taken me by surprise.
I like to think I have a rationale mind and there is no place in science for ghosts, and that part of me says it's not possible that it was a ghost, I was tired and likely imagined it. However I believe what I saw in front of me so I don't know quite what to think with it.
One night my parents were away and I was going to bed, when outside my bedroom door on the hallway was a black shadow that appeared in front of me as I was on the hallway. I couldn't guess the sex but it was certainly person shaped and enough for me to put my arm up to shield myself as it had taken me by surprise.
I like to think I have a rationale mind and there is no place in science for ghosts, and that part of me says it's not possible that it was a ghost, I was tired and likely imagined it. However I believe what I saw in front of me so I don't know quite what to think with it.
Killer2005 said:
I like to think I have a rationale mind and there is no place in science for ghosts
Who knows, with all what's talked about with string theory and multiple/parallel universes and using science to prove these exist.Could it be that somehow, sometimes these universes may overlap or cross into ours and produce these phenomena.
Just because we can't explain stuff at the moment doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Mysteries of universe we may be able to explain or comprehend one day far in the future or I might just be chatting s
t.Who knows lol
Radec said:
Killer2005 said:
I like to think I have a rationale mind and there is no place in science for ghosts
Who knows, with all what's talked about with string theory and multiple/parallel universes and using science to prove these exist.Could it be that somehow, sometimes these universes may overlap or cross into ours and produce these phenomena.
Just because we can't explain stuff at the moment doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Mysteries of universe we may be able to explain or comprehend one day far in the future or I might just be chatting s
t.Who knows lol
It's something I can get on board with as a potential 'explanation' albeit raising more questions yet upon reading a bit into differing universe theories I fear it's the same reason(s) I used to get on board with religion when younger.
Still, it's better than "God did it" I suppose.
A lady I used to know told me a story about how she was driving to work one day when she saw one of her colleagues driving the opposite way. Her work colleague wasn’t looking in the same direction, but she waved anyway and the little girl in the passenger seat smiled and waved back.
Once at work my friend told her colleague how she had seen her earlier and the little girl in the passenger seat waved back, but the other lady claimed she was alone, definitely no passenger at all.
Apparently the description of the little girl matched her colleagues younger sister who had died in a car accident some years earlier.
Both ladies were very upset about what had happened, not a pleasant experience for either.
Once at work my friend told her colleague how she had seen her earlier and the little girl in the passenger seat waved back, but the other lady claimed she was alone, definitely no passenger at all.
Apparently the description of the little girl matched her colleagues younger sister who had died in a car accident some years earlier.
Both ladies were very upset about what had happened, not a pleasant experience for either.
Robotron-2084 said:
A lady I used to know told me a story about how she was driving to work one day when she saw one of her colleagues driving the opposite way. Her work colleague wasn’t looking in the same direction, but she waved anyway and the little girl in the passenger seat smiled and waved back.
Once at work my friend told her colleague how she had seen her earlier and the little girl in the passenger seat waved back, but the other lady claimed she was alone, definitely no passenger at all.
Apparently the description of the little girl matched her colleagues younger sister who had died in a car accident some years earlier.
Both ladies were very upset about what had happened, not a pleasant experience for either.
This is a great example of how nebulous these things tend to be and how high the chance a demonstration of why eyewitness accounts are considered in the legal system so unreliable.Once at work my friend told her colleague how she had seen her earlier and the little girl in the passenger seat waved back, but the other lady claimed she was alone, definitely no passenger at all.
Apparently the description of the little girl matched her colleagues younger sister who had died in a car accident some years earlier.
Both ladies were very upset about what had happened, not a pleasant experience for either.
These kinds of episodes are so, so much more likely to be simple cases of mistaken identity than ethereal spirits!
Personally I don't believe, but I do like a good ghost yarn.
I find it interesting how other cultures are superstitious and how they perceive ghosts and spirits though.
Many years ago when I was about 8 years old, my Dad worked in Oman, we were at the SON Naval base in Muscat and went to the Stores, where they were dismantling 3 mannequins, I asked why, Dad told me that they had been on display in a "shop" window, so the Jundi's could see how they should wear their uniform, but it turned out that they were all scared of them and they believed the mannequins would be imbued with ghosts , come to life and steal their own spirits at night, so much so that a group of them had been on voluntary armed "stag" ready to shoot them if they saw any movement.
Similar to the reason we wouldn't take photo's of people if out in the villages, the Omanis thought the camera was stealing their souls.
They also believed in "modern" ghosts, and the belief was perhaps more widespread and had more credence than perhaps we do in our culture.
I find it interesting how other cultures are superstitious and how they perceive ghosts and spirits though.
Many years ago when I was about 8 years old, my Dad worked in Oman, we were at the SON Naval base in Muscat and went to the Stores, where they were dismantling 3 mannequins, I asked why, Dad told me that they had been on display in a "shop" window, so the Jundi's could see how they should wear their uniform, but it turned out that they were all scared of them and they believed the mannequins would be imbued with ghosts , come to life and steal their own spirits at night, so much so that a group of them had been on voluntary armed "stag" ready to shoot them if they saw any movement.
Similar to the reason we wouldn't take photo's of people if out in the villages, the Omanis thought the camera was stealing their souls.
They also believed in "modern" ghosts, and the belief was perhaps more widespread and had more credence than perhaps we do in our culture.
I live in an area that used to have a stone circle.
Don't know if that's connected?
But every now and again there will be a bang in the house like someone dropped a heavy book on the floor
Nothing will be obvious, nothing has moved, windows and doors shut.
I live by myself so can rule out anyone playing tricks.
Happens less than once a year.....
Don't know if that's connected?
But every now and again there will be a bang in the house like someone dropped a heavy book on the floor
Nothing will be obvious, nothing has moved, windows and doors shut.
I live by myself so can rule out anyone playing tricks.
Happens less than once a year.....
It is an interesting one. I'd put myself in the category of 'open minded sceptic.'
Never had any experiences of anything supernatural myself, and nobody I know has (That they've ever mentioned anyway).
One possible explanation for some sightings at the 'shadowy figure' and feelings of unease end of the scale, is infra-sound. Low frequency sound that you can't hear, but can affect your vision (causing greyish shadows in your peripheral vision), and can generate an adrenaline response giving you that 'uneasy' feeling. That in turn can make you very aware of things that normally wouldn't register (Was that sound a creaking floorboard etc). This clearly doesn't explain doors flying open, lights switching themselves on and off etc.
There's an interesting documentary on YouTube about the prevalence of 'ghostly' sightings on the underground in London. The tube, incidentally, is a hotbed for the aforementioned infra-sound....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bf_bxfE5gw
Never had any experiences of anything supernatural myself, and nobody I know has (That they've ever mentioned anyway).
One possible explanation for some sightings at the 'shadowy figure' and feelings of unease end of the scale, is infra-sound. Low frequency sound that you can't hear, but can affect your vision (causing greyish shadows in your peripheral vision), and can generate an adrenaline response giving you that 'uneasy' feeling. That in turn can make you very aware of things that normally wouldn't register (Was that sound a creaking floorboard etc). This clearly doesn't explain doors flying open, lights switching themselves on and off etc.
There's an interesting documentary on YouTube about the prevalence of 'ghostly' sightings on the underground in London. The tube, incidentally, is a hotbed for the aforementioned infra-sound....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bf_bxfE5gw
texaxile said:
I find it interesting how other cultures are superstitious and how they perceive ghosts and spirits though.
Yup, I've sailed with a few Filipinos who were very much believers in ghosts... They wouldn't go down the focsle store (right at the front of the ship, went right down to the bottom!) either alone or at night because of ghosts. They were convinced someone had died down there and were haunting it!
Areas like that on ships do have poor ventilation though, and there have been deaths from lack of oxygen and so on, so its not completely daft.
8Ace said:
I don't get why it's just the recent ones we see - Victorian Spinsters, knights etc. If ghosts are a possibility there should be millions of them around, including ones frm the Bronze age / Black Death / Cro Magnon times
In the 1970’s the Guinness Book of Records had a lot of entries it has since taken out; one of them was ‘oldest recorded ghost’ which, IIRC, was the ghost of a Roman Centurion. I *think* it was in York or somewhere like that.I’d love ghosts to exist, but let’s face it, they really don’t do they?
robsa said:
8Ace said:
I don't get why it's just the recent ones we see - Victorian Spinsters, knights etc. If ghosts are a possibility there should be millions of them around, including ones frm the Bronze age / Black Death / Cro Magnon times
In the 1970’s the Guinness Book of Records had a lot of entries it has since taken out; one of them was ‘oldest recorded ghost’ which, IIRC, was the ghost of a Roman Centurion. I *think* it was in York or somewhere like that.I’d love ghosts to exist, but let’s face it, they really don’t do they?
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