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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Roofless Toothless said:
But my point is that the vehemence of the non believers was so strong that it lead them to simply deny any other argument or 'evidence' that contradicted them, and ruined the thread.
But there is no evidence. That's the problem. Anecdotes aren't evidence. The OP claims to have footage, but the footage has never made the news, despite the fact that proof of ghosts, or any supernatural event, would be the biggest news story in human history. Might even get Dominic Cummings off the front page. For years we've been regaled with stories of moving furniture, flying objects, babies crawling on the ceiling, and all sorts. Now we have tens of millions of CCTV cameras across the world, in homes, offices and shops and......not a sausage.
Most people who think they've seen a ghost will say "I'm, a believer, I've seen one". If I saw a ghost, my first thought would be have I got a brain tumor/ some other illness causing hallucinations/carbon monoxide poisoning/ a prankster close by putting drugs in my food etc etc. That's because there's actual evidence of brain tumors, pranksters etc. existing.
A good ghost story is fine, but let's not give up on critical thinking.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Taylor James said:
Technology has done for UFOs,
UFOs exist, there's no argument about that. Unfortunately, some people hear UFOs and assume that means alien spaceships.Triumph Man said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Taylor James said:
Technology has done for UFOs,
UFOs exist, there's no argument about that. Unfortunately, some people hear UFOs and assume that means alien spaceships.r159 said:
Racing rabbit said:
Yep, seen one.
Used to live in Buckingham, fairly new houses. I was round at a neighbours one evening, they were smoking in the kitchen, I was standing by the door in to the living room.
Out of the corner of my eye, I saw a young girl walk down the stairs into the living room. Thought nothing of it as they had a young daughter, looked further round the corner and noboby was there
Neighbours then said about lights being switched on while they were at work, neighbours hearing someone running up and down the stairs.
Can't explain it, no chance of lights swinging across room due to were house was etc. They'd never said anything so had no preconception of a ghost
Wasn’t the Badgers estate was it?Used to live in Buckingham, fairly new houses. I was round at a neighbours one evening, they were smoking in the kitchen, I was standing by the door in to the living room.
Out of the corner of my eye, I saw a young girl walk down the stairs into the living room. Thought nothing of it as they had a young daughter, looked further round the corner and noboby was there
Neighbours then said about lights being switched on while they were at work, neighbours hearing someone running up and down the stairs.
Can't explain it, no chance of lights swinging across room due to were house was etc. They'd never said anything so had no preconception of a ghost
I think there is an awful lot about the universe and life that we do not yet understand or even know about.
Things quite rightly are only accepted in the scientific world when they are proven, unfortunately beliefs and ideas outside this realm are often shunned and branded as hokum.
With regards to extraterrestrial life it is well worth reading up on the Fermi paradox.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
Makes you think, could we really just be a unique accident?
Things quite rightly are only accepted in the scientific world when they are proven, unfortunately beliefs and ideas outside this realm are often shunned and branded as hokum.
With regards to extraterrestrial life it is well worth reading up on the Fermi paradox.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
Makes you think, could we really just be a unique accident?
I've had a few experiences over the years from early childhood up to fairly recently.
The early experiences were relating to seeing my deceased Grandparents on numerous occasions after we had moved into my mothers family home.
We, my parents, brothers and myself would regularly hear footsteps on the stairs or in the attic.
On one occasion, around 1974/75, a Saturday night ca., 2:00am, as I lay in bed, I heard noises down stairs which I put down to one of my brother arriving home from a night out boozing.
I heard him bump and bang his way through the living room and kitchen, Open the door to the stairs, (yes it was a strange house), make his way upstairs and open the door to the bedroom we both shared.
He then bumped into the bottom of my bed and so a physical movement.
I expected him to walk diagonally across the room to the head of his bed but instead, walked to the foot end.
It sounded like he then proceeded to get undressed.
To my surprise, he then opened his wardrobe door and what sounded like him climbing into the wardrobe!!??
I lay in bed thinking, "The sfb has climbed into the wardrobe???!!!
Then the sound of a crash as he fell back out again.
I jumped out of bed and switching the light on turned to see that the hanging rail in the wardrobe had snapped, and, as the clothes fell, they pushed the wardrobe door open allowing the cloths to fall to the floor.
No brother in the room, nothing but the pile of cloths?
On another occasion, in ca., 2006, I had been on a business trip in North America.
Every day a meeting in a different city, evening flights, late dinners and very long hours.
Got to my next hotel, too my room at around 12:45 am.
Absolutely knackered, I couldn't wait to get to bed.
I lay down, pulling the covers over and resting my head on this wonderful pillow.
As the comfort came over me, a child's voice right behind me said, " Hello", and I felt the side of the mattress compress as if someone was leaning against it.
WTF, were the unspoken words as I managed to slide horizontally down the bed until my head was under the covers.
The early experiences were relating to seeing my deceased Grandparents on numerous occasions after we had moved into my mothers family home.
We, my parents, brothers and myself would regularly hear footsteps on the stairs or in the attic.
On one occasion, around 1974/75, a Saturday night ca., 2:00am, as I lay in bed, I heard noises down stairs which I put down to one of my brother arriving home from a night out boozing.
I heard him bump and bang his way through the living room and kitchen, Open the door to the stairs, (yes it was a strange house), make his way upstairs and open the door to the bedroom we both shared.
He then bumped into the bottom of my bed and so a physical movement.
I expected him to walk diagonally across the room to the head of his bed but instead, walked to the foot end.
It sounded like he then proceeded to get undressed.
To my surprise, he then opened his wardrobe door and what sounded like him climbing into the wardrobe!!??
I lay in bed thinking, "The sfb has climbed into the wardrobe???!!!
Then the sound of a crash as he fell back out again.
I jumped out of bed and switching the light on turned to see that the hanging rail in the wardrobe had snapped, and, as the clothes fell, they pushed the wardrobe door open allowing the cloths to fall to the floor.
No brother in the room, nothing but the pile of cloths?
On another occasion, in ca., 2006, I had been on a business trip in North America.
Every day a meeting in a different city, evening flights, late dinners and very long hours.
Got to my next hotel, too my room at around 12:45 am.
Absolutely knackered, I couldn't wait to get to bed.
I lay down, pulling the covers over and resting my head on this wonderful pillow.
As the comfort came over me, a child's voice right behind me said, " Hello", and I felt the side of the mattress compress as if someone was leaning against it.
WTF, were the unspoken words as I managed to slide horizontally down the bed until my head was under the covers.
Edited by so called on Thursday 28th May 12:08
PPEhero said:
Following on from the conspiracy thread....
Does anyone believe in ghosts?
I know Ill get slated for this but I used to work in an old pub, parts of the building dated back to the 15th century. Always found it abit spooky when I was there on my own late on an evening.
One night when the pub was closed I was sat at the bar with 2 friends the landlord and landlady, out the corner of my eye I thought I saw someone by the pool table, thinking we’d locked the doors with someone still in I had a look...nobody there.
About an hour later the landlord went flying backwards off the bar stool and smashed his head on the wall behind, was just as if someone had just shoved him in the chest. He was massively shook up and convinced someone had just pushed him off the chair. You could see the fear in his eyes.
We watched it back on the CCTV and you could clearly see his chest moving in as if he had been pushed. His feet were dangling free at the side of the chair so there was no way he could of jumped so far back in the way he did. He refused to ever watch it back.
The next day when we spoke he said he didn’t believe in any of that sort of that stuff but had always thought odd things had being happening leading upto it. Nothing has happened in the years since, he thinks it was some spirit or something and that was it’s last goodbye.
I never believed anything like that and still choose not too, although that can’t be explained in my eyes.
Anyone got any stories???
Why not upload the CCTV footage?Does anyone believe in ghosts?
I know Ill get slated for this but I used to work in an old pub, parts of the building dated back to the 15th century. Always found it abit spooky when I was there on my own late on an evening.
One night when the pub was closed I was sat at the bar with 2 friends the landlord and landlady, out the corner of my eye I thought I saw someone by the pool table, thinking we’d locked the doors with someone still in I had a look...nobody there.
About an hour later the landlord went flying backwards off the bar stool and smashed his head on the wall behind, was just as if someone had just shoved him in the chest. He was massively shook up and convinced someone had just pushed him off the chair. You could see the fear in his eyes.
We watched it back on the CCTV and you could clearly see his chest moving in as if he had been pushed. His feet were dangling free at the side of the chair so there was no way he could of jumped so far back in the way he did. He refused to ever watch it back.
The next day when we spoke he said he didn’t believe in any of that sort of that stuff but had always thought odd things had being happening leading upto it. Nothing has happened in the years since, he thinks it was some spirit or something and that was it’s last goodbye.
I never believed anything like that and still choose not too, although that can’t be explained in my eyes.
Anyone got any stories???
- cue the xfiles music*
Edited by PPEhero on Wednesday 27th May 14:25
Personally I'm sure there is something we can't explain, wouldn't say I believe in all the conspiracies around ghosts though. Certainly those ghost hunter TV programs are all BS however.
I'm sure we all (well, most) have some sort of creepy story to tell.
My parents are Vietnamese and my mum in particular is very superstitious and also believes in ghosts.
I’d say up until around 50-60 years ago, most countries in the Far East weren’t as developed as the West. Healthcare wasn’t as good and infant mortality was a lot higher than it was in other, moe developed countries.
My grandmother on my mother’s side suffered a number of miscarriages. Perhaps these may not have happened if the healthcare was better or if they lived in the West. Perhaps to deal with the heartache of miscarriages, the people in Vietnam used to believe that bad spirits had taken those babies away. In order to appease the spirits, offerings were laid out and prayers were said whenever women were pregnant. This believed may have helped people deal with the grief of losing a young baby and perhaps provide some sort of skewed logic to it.
For some reason, when we we’re growing up as kids, we were taught to call my grandma by her first name rather than gran. This seemed strange to some people, but we were later told that it was to confuse the spirits so they didn’t take any subsequent babies in the family.
Even now, on certain Buddhist key dates, my mum will leave out cakes and sweets as offerings for the spirits of her deceased siblings as she was once told by a fortune teller that they were still around to protect her.
I’d say up until around 50-60 years ago, most countries in the Far East weren’t as developed as the West. Healthcare wasn’t as good and infant mortality was a lot higher than it was in other, moe developed countries.
My grandmother on my mother’s side suffered a number of miscarriages. Perhaps these may not have happened if the healthcare was better or if they lived in the West. Perhaps to deal with the heartache of miscarriages, the people in Vietnam used to believe that bad spirits had taken those babies away. In order to appease the spirits, offerings were laid out and prayers were said whenever women were pregnant. This believed may have helped people deal with the grief of losing a young baby and perhaps provide some sort of skewed logic to it.
For some reason, when we we’re growing up as kids, we were taught to call my grandma by her first name rather than gran. This seemed strange to some people, but we were later told that it was to confuse the spirits so they didn’t take any subsequent babies in the family.
Even now, on certain Buddhist key dates, my mum will leave out cakes and sweets as offerings for the spirits of her deceased siblings as she was once told by a fortune teller that they were still around to protect her.
gr1340 said:
Why are there no giant dinosaur ghosts roaming about?
Or 10s of millions of ghosts from ww1 and ww2 (plus other wars)?
If there is an estimated 100+ billion dead on this planet, there should be ghosts everywhere.
In a similar vein, I’ll be expecting to see lots of face mask wearing, social distancing ghosts making a hell of a racket at 8pm every Thursday night.Or 10s of millions of ghosts from ww1 and ww2 (plus other wars)?
If there is an estimated 100+ billion dead on this planet, there should be ghosts everywhere.
so called said:
On another occasion, in ca., 2006, I had been on a business trip in North America.
Every day a meeting in a different city, evening flights, late dinners and very long hours.
Got to my next hotel, too my room at around 12:45 am.
Absolutely knackered, I couldn't wait to get to bed.
I lay down, pulling the covers over and resting my head on this wonderful pillow.
As the comfort came over me, a child's voice right behind me said, " Hello", and I felt the side of the mattress compress as if someone was leaning against it.
WTF, were the unspoken words as I managed to slide horizontally down the bed until my head was under the covers.
As you said....absolutely knackered. That would explain it. You might as well have said "having taken the LSD" or "having finished off the 3rd bottle of wine." Humans are unreliable. More so when they are very tired. Every day a meeting in a different city, evening flights, late dinners and very long hours.
Got to my next hotel, too my room at around 12:45 am.
Absolutely knackered, I couldn't wait to get to bed.
I lay down, pulling the covers over and resting my head on this wonderful pillow.
As the comfort came over me, a child's voice right behind me said, " Hello", and I felt the side of the mattress compress as if someone was leaning against it.
WTF, were the unspoken words as I managed to slide horizontally down the bed until my head was under the covers.
Edited by so called on Thursday 28th May 12:08
gr1340 said:
Why are there no giant dinosaur ghosts roaming about?
Or 10s of millions of ghosts from ww1 and ww2 (plus other wars)?
If there is an estimated 100+ billion dead on this planet, there should be ghosts everywhere.
What appears to be ghosts from the American Civil War have been filmed and uploaded to Youtube. Or 10s of millions of ghosts from ww1 and ww2 (plus other wars)?
If there is an estimated 100+ billion dead on this planet, there should be ghosts everywhere.
The problem with this thread topic, seen it over the years, is that there are two split camps, those who have no experience or knowledge and therefore deny the existence of anything and everything and those that have some reported information or first hand knowledge of something that they cannot explain.
My brother in law, a chef, was a pr1ck in life and it would not surprise if he didnt try to continue his pr1ckyness in death. My kitchen has granite worktops and they are damn noisy if anything is dropped on them, there have been plenty of times when I have been in the kitchen, back turned to the worktops and there has been a crash behind me, sounds like cutlery being dropped on them, I turn around and there is nothing to see.
Edited by Robbo 27 on Thursday 28th May 15:04
so called said:
Got to my next hotel, too my room at around 12:45 am.
As the comfort came over me, a child's voice right behind me said, " Hello", and I felt the side of the mattress compress as if someone was leaning against it.
I hope you got a discounted room rate for having to share it with a stranger!?!As the comfort came over me, a child's voice right behind me said, " Hello", and I felt the side of the mattress compress as if someone was leaning against it.
I don't believe in ghosts per se but I do think our brain can play tricks on us and makes us think, believe, see things that are difficult to explain. The brain then processes that information in what is the most likely explanation, many times ghosts.
I think we know so little of the universe, it's laws that is perfectably possible that a lot of phenomena are just unexplainable to us at this present in time.
When one thinks of reality what does it mean? The real world we live in, in the sense of the world that we can explain some of the physics, etc. When we zoom out and start to thing of the universe, how it started, why it exists, why do even matter exists or a single atom. The explanation to that, well I don't think we ever get there before extinction but that would break our minds, perhaps. I would love just to know the beginning of it all.
That could only happen if a much more advanced race visited us but that alone is almost impossible because our existence in terms of time is a a mere flicker of light in the universe timeline.
On the other hand if a visited of such advanved race happened we would be going to their "zoo".
I think we know so little of the universe, it's laws that is perfectably possible that a lot of phenomena are just unexplainable to us at this present in time.
When one thinks of reality what does it mean? The real world we live in, in the sense of the world that we can explain some of the physics, etc. When we zoom out and start to thing of the universe, how it started, why it exists, why do even matter exists or a single atom. The explanation to that, well I don't think we ever get there before extinction but that would break our minds, perhaps. I would love just to know the beginning of it all.
That could only happen if a much more advanced race visited us but that alone is almost impossible because our existence in terms of time is a a mere flicker of light in the universe timeline.
On the other hand if a visited of such advanved race happened we would be going to their "zoo".
TwigtheWonderkid said:
so called said:
On another occasion, in ca., 2006, I had been on a business trip in North America.
Every day a meeting in a different city, evening flights, late dinners and very long hours.
Got to my next hotel, too my room at around 12:45 am.
Absolutely knackered, I couldn't wait to get to bed.
I lay down, pulling the covers over and resting my head on this wonderful pillow.
As the comfort came over me, a child's voice right behind me said, " Hello", and I felt the side of the mattress compress as if someone was leaning against it.
WTF, were the unspoken words as I managed to slide horizontally down the bed until my head was under the covers.
As you said....absolutely knackered. That would explain it. You might as well have said "having taken the LSD" or "having finished off the 3rd bottle of wine." Humans are unreliable. More so when they are very tired. Every day a meeting in a different city, evening flights, late dinners and very long hours.
Got to my next hotel, too my room at around 12:45 am.
Absolutely knackered, I couldn't wait to get to bed.
I lay down, pulling the covers over and resting my head on this wonderful pillow.
As the comfort came over me, a child's voice right behind me said, " Hello", and I felt the side of the mattress compress as if someone was leaning against it.
WTF, were the unspoken words as I managed to slide horizontally down the bed until my head was under the covers.
Edited by so called on Thursday 28th May 12:08
When I look back, most of my experiences have required me to be horizontal.
Still, it was a very real experience, the voice and the movement of the bed, as with the experience with one of my brothers.
I like the fact that your body reacts instinctively to these situations.
Increased senses, hairs standing etc.
Where does that instinct come from in mans historical development?
Sabre Tooth Tiger in the dark at the mouth of the cave maybe?
All I know is that I wasn't going to turn over in bed to be nose to nose with some ghostly child apparition.
Robbo 27 said:
The problem with this thread topic, seen it over the years, is that there are two split camps, those who have no experience or knowledge and therefore deny the existence of anything and everything and those that have some reported information or first hand knowledge of something that they cannot explain.
If that were true, I don't think we'd have any disagreement. I have no issue with anyone who has experienced something that they cannot explain. I have a few of those myself. What I struggle with it is people deciding that there experience can be explained by ghosts. That strikes me as showing a complete lack of critical thinking skills. Richard-390a0 said:
so called said:
Got to my next hotel, too my room at around 12:45 am.
As the comfort came over me, a child's voice right behind me said, " Hello", and I felt the side of the mattress compress as if someone was leaning against it.
I hope you got a discounted room rate for having to share it with a stranger!?!As the comfort came over me, a child's voice right behind me said, " Hello", and I felt the side of the mattress compress as if someone was leaning against it.
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