Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?
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coldel said:
bowder said:
May I recommend the EVs were never meant to succeed thread for some absolute lunacy on just about every level. Hilarious.
Is this the 'EVs no one wants to buy them' thread? I remember that starting up and thought it might cause a row...
bowder said:
coldel said:
bowder said:
May I recommend the EVs were never meant to succeed thread for some absolute lunacy on just about every level. Hilarious.
Is this the 'EVs no one wants to buy them' thread? I remember that starting up and thought it might cause a row...
someone needing help said:
I've been wrong all along. I've wasted my time, and yours, every time I've commented on any EV related thread on PH.
EVS WERE NEVER MEANT TO SUCCEED.
All our talk about the relative effectiveness and efficiency of ICE vs EV is therefore irrelevant.
THEY DON'T ACTUALLY WANT EVS TO SUCCEED.
The goal is not to save the environment. That's just a front. The goal is to stop us moving around. And by forcing a mode of transport upon the public that's not a workable solution for the masses, they're succeeding with that.
Before you cry 'tin foil hat', ask yourself why town and city councils forced upon the good people of the UK "15 min cities" that we never voted for.
And how can they do that? Where are those anti-democratic orders coming from? WEF, WHO and UN. All unelected by the people. All unaccountable to anyone but themselves.
Their goal is control and surveillance. 15 min cities, ULEZ and LTNs have destroyed businesses, put up the price of hiring any tradespeople, divided communities and divided extended families. The Berlin wall was built in 1961. It separated brother from brother, mother from daughter for 28 years, BY A BUNCH OF MEDDLING DEVILS WHO THOUGHT THEY COULD PLAY GOD WITH EVERYONE'S LIVES.
These unelected legislative barriers to free movement are moving us in that direction without any physical wall. And a car you can't just jump in and go anywhere, anytime you want without an unplanned stoppage, is another part of this.
Claus Schwab said, "You will own nothing, and you will be happy". I notice the satanic little creep isn't giving up anything himself. He and the other WEF overlords are still using their helicopter taxis, private jets and chauffeur driven limos, eating carpaccio of beef at top Swiss restaurants, paid for by the taxpayer, while telling you to eat reconstituted dead flies.
Well, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR ANY OF THAT!!!!!!!!!! And the UK government I voted for didn't put any of that in their manifesto.
It's all a con. It's never been about the trees and the cows and the air. They're just trying to stop us moving around. And governments around the world have been kowtowing to it.
I want a referendum on Net Zero.
I want my country back.
If we were playing CT bingo we’d be shouting House!EVS WERE NEVER MEANT TO SUCCEED.
All our talk about the relative effectiveness and efficiency of ICE vs EV is therefore irrelevant.
THEY DON'T ACTUALLY WANT EVS TO SUCCEED.
The goal is not to save the environment. That's just a front. The goal is to stop us moving around. And by forcing a mode of transport upon the public that's not a workable solution for the masses, they're succeeding with that.
Before you cry 'tin foil hat', ask yourself why town and city councils forced upon the good people of the UK "15 min cities" that we never voted for.
And how can they do that? Where are those anti-democratic orders coming from? WEF, WHO and UN. All unelected by the people. All unaccountable to anyone but themselves.
Their goal is control and surveillance. 15 min cities, ULEZ and LTNs have destroyed businesses, put up the price of hiring any tradespeople, divided communities and divided extended families. The Berlin wall was built in 1961. It separated brother from brother, mother from daughter for 28 years, BY A BUNCH OF MEDDLING DEVILS WHO THOUGHT THEY COULD PLAY GOD WITH EVERYONE'S LIVES.
These unelected legislative barriers to free movement are moving us in that direction without any physical wall. And a car you can't just jump in and go anywhere, anytime you want without an unplanned stoppage, is another part of this.
Claus Schwab said, "You will own nothing, and you will be happy". I notice the satanic little creep isn't giving up anything himself. He and the other WEF overlords are still using their helicopter taxis, private jets and chauffeur driven limos, eating carpaccio of beef at top Swiss restaurants, paid for by the taxpayer, while telling you to eat reconstituted dead flies.
Well, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR ANY OF THAT!!!!!!!!!! And the UK government I voted for didn't put any of that in their manifesto.
It's all a con. It's never been about the trees and the cows and the air. They're just trying to stop us moving around. And governments around the world have been kowtowing to it.
I want a referendum on Net Zero.
I want my country back.
bowder said:
May I recommend the EVs were never meant to succeed thread for some absolute lunacy on just about every level. Hilarious.
More towards subsequent posters, plus Baroque who reposted the OP on this thread, the guy has politely apologised and has asked for the thread to be deleted. If it is, I hope the other posts in here also are voluntarily if not by mods. It’s clear he is feeling bad about it and is being quite panicky in the OT.Mods?
Baroque attacks said:
If we were playing CT bingo we’d be shouting House!
The OP wants it deleted, and wishes to apologise to anyone they may have offended, but there’s nothing offensive about it.I do the calling CT bingo card ‘house’ thing on FB sometimes. A bit childish of me, but it’s only when they become abusive if you question their view of things.
I wonder if there was an 'event' that triggered the outburst? Maybe he got a ULEZ fine or his business has bigger overheads because of X Y or Z.
Seems such an odd thing to do, but yes he is dialing it back, possibly because he didn't get a load of support and instead got the opposite.
Seems such an odd thing to do, but yes he is dialing it back, possibly because he didn't get a load of support and instead got the opposite.
ChevronB19 said:
bowder said:
May I recommend the EVs were never meant to succeed thread for some absolute lunacy on just about every level. Hilarious.
More towards subsequent posters, plus Baroque who reposted the OP on this thread, the guy has politely apologised and has asked for the thread to be deleted. If it is, I hope the other posts in here also are voluntarily if not by mods. It’s clear he is feeling bad about it and is being quite panicky in the OT.Mods?
A pile-on is not a good idea as he clearly regrets it and is feeling a bit foolish. I say this in the light of my cousin's suicide last week, we need to be mindful that people can be struggling, please.
Baroque attacks said:
eldar said:
Baroque attacks said:
If we were playing CT bingo we’d be shouting House!
Sounds like an AI generated definition of a CT. Can't be real, surely.Hence reposting without the name.
DonkeyApple said:
Baroque attacks said:
eldar said:
Baroque attacks said:
If we were playing CT bingo we’d be shouting House!
Sounds like an AI generated definition of a CT. Can't be real, surely.Hence reposting without the name.
MBBlat said:
The thing I don’t understand about the whole 15minute city conspiracy is why? What do the elites, WEF, UN, WI, UNIT, FIA, FIFA, RAC(delete as appropriate) get out of restricting every one to a couple of miles radius of their house?
Because erm *silence* in my experience.If you don’t backslap, you never get an answer to that one.
swanny71 said:
Blown2CV said:
if AI learns from most things that humanity outputs then it will be a crackpot.
If an AI ever becomes self aware (think Skynet) and learns how messed up humanity is then it’s more likely to Ctrl-Alt-Delete itself than launch nukes at us.
k up analytical models and later AI. They then went on to describe the types of bias they were referring to, and it was things where the real world differed from some interpretation of an idea world. Things like racism, sexism, other isms and a whole swathe of uncomfortable facts about humanity. I found the whole thing extremely worrying that we might set a precedent openly that if there is data we don't like we can just change the truth to fit what we want.MBBlat said:
The thing I don’t understand about the whole 15minute city conspiracy is why? What do the elites, WEF, UN, WI, UNIT, FIA, FIFA, RAC(delete as appropriate) get out of restricting every one to a couple of miles radius of their house?
It's certainly more simple to rationalise local government policies by considering just how mental local government can be. A: Massive global conspiracy involving various bodies across the globe all co trolling local councillors, regional mayors and devolved powers? Or B: These local roles tend not to attract the best and brightest but rather clipboard wielding maniacs desperate to have control over others? The risk of CTs is that they're easy for people to use to get their way by stoking them up and then telling the normal people who are daring to question lunacy that they must also be CT nutters or Nazis for not towing the line.
CTs get used by their messiahs but also by the very people they target. It's just a really sad serfdom they trap themselves in.
Blown2CV said:
i went to an IBM product launch years and years ago, which designed to remove bias in data so it didn't fk up analytical models and later AI. They then went on to describe the types of bias they were referring to, and it was things where the real world differed from some interpretation of an idea world. Things like racism, sexism, other isms and a whole swathe of uncomfortable facts about humanity. I found the whole thing extremely worrying that we might set a precedent openly that if there is data we don't like we can just change the truth to fit what we want.
All the main publicly available AI systems seem to have a “morals” overlay applied to them.k up analytical models and later AI. They then went on to describe the types of bias they were referring to, and it was things where the real world differed from some interpretation of an idea world. Things like racism, sexism, other isms and a whole swathe of uncomfortable facts about humanity. I found the whole thing extremely worrying that we might set a precedent openly that if there is data we don't like we can just change the truth to fit what we want.I wanted to get some crime data broken down by sex and ethnicity and for the crimes with a strong non-white overrepresentation the systems I used tried very hard not to just give the numbers.
MBBlat said:
The thing I don’t understand about the whole 15minute city conspiracy is why? What do the elites, WEF, UN, WI, UNIT, FIA, FIFA, RAC(delete as appropriate) get out of restricting every one to a couple of miles radius of their house?
The big question in many circumstances with conspiracies is often this, asking, why? Not only that, but, how? Also, who?For instance, the idea that governments that cannot seem to kick their own backsides half the time, somehow collude globally (despite technically being at war with each other in some cases) to help a private industry benefit financially and in the same instance substantially damage their own industry (i.e. the people they govern) just makes no sense. Then of course the idea that tens of thousands of people are in on it...and never tell a soul.
I think the main issue is that we see instances that individuals are greedy, do cheat and steal, but that then gets turned into broad brush speculation. The leaps from a truth to a speculative conspiracy are quite huge.
Ken_Code said:
Blown2CV said:
i went to an IBM product launch years and years ago, which designed to remove bias in data so it didn't fk up analytical models and later AI. They then went on to describe the types of bias they were referring to, and it was things where the real world differed from some interpretation of an idea world. Things like racism, sexism, other isms and a whole swathe of uncomfortable facts about humanity. I found the whole thing extremely worrying that we might set a precedent openly that if there is data we don't like we can just change the truth to fit what we want.
All the main publicly available AI systems seem to have a “morals” overlay applied to them.k up analytical models and later AI. They then went on to describe the types of bias they were referring to, and it was things where the real world differed from some interpretation of an idea world. Things like racism, sexism, other isms and a whole swathe of uncomfortable facts about humanity. I found the whole thing extremely worrying that we might set a precedent openly that if there is data we don't like we can just change the truth to fit what we want.I wanted to get some crime data broken down by sex and ethnicity and for the crimes with a strong non-white overrepresentation the systems I used tried very hard not to just give the numbers.
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