What training are you doing/have you done today? (Vol.3)
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I did one arm chip ups progressions and PPPUs, with a bit of an work after.
I find this much more taxing than the Monday workout I am doing (tuck front lever pulls or a variation and hand stand pushups on the wall, with abs) so need to up the intensity on Monday’s some how.
I occasionally get a runners high. For some reason rarely on the road but on a cross trainer with some music I have definitely experienced it or something like it.
I find this much more taxing than the Monday workout I am doing (tuck front lever pulls or a variation and hand stand pushups on the wall, with abs) so need to up the intensity on Monday’s some how.
I occasionally get a runners high. For some reason rarely on the road but on a cross trainer with some music I have definitely experienced it or something like it.
Mr Obertshaw said:
I committed myself to doing a half marathon In November yesterday. I'm 139kg currently and after doing intervals for 5k today and yesterday I can barely make it up my stairs now! This feeling of clarity people get from running hasn't hit me yet!
Great work, there is a running thread that's really good, some really nice blokes with some great information! You are going to need to be very careful regarding injury prevention in order to be able to train consistently over time. I never got the high when I started out as it was such hard work, I started from not running a mile (107kg midget) to running a Marathon. On my long runs I get a feeling of timelessness if that makes sense, I could run 1 hour and it would feel like 5 minutes!
I have never had a euphoric high but sometimes I feel really strong running and that's a great feeling, I remember the first run when I left my door and didn't think about my breathing at all, I had obviously reached a level of fitness I hadn't attained before, that was an epic feeling but took months of consistent running.
Chicken_Satay said:
I still had slightly tired/sore legs from the Monday evening run. My Garmin watch suggested an easy base level run of 40 mins at 5:30/km for a light training stimulus.
I tend not to run unless I feel fully recovered, however, after much indecisiveness I decided to give the suggested run a go. Went out at 9:40pm and did just over 7km at 5:30/km. Surprisingly quite tough on tired legs.
Got home and saved the run on the Garmin device with a training status result of "unproductive". Not sure why the device suggested it then... It's difficult to please those algorithms!
Unproductive for fitness great for recovery?I tend not to run unless I feel fully recovered, however, after much indecisiveness I decided to give the suggested run a go. Went out at 9:40pm and did just over 7km at 5:30/km. Surprisingly quite tough on tired legs.
Got home and saved the run on the Garmin device with a training status result of "unproductive". Not sure why the device suggested it then... It's difficult to please those algorithms!
I am also following a Garmin programme at the moment I often have a 30 minute recovery run the morning of a decent session.
joshcowin said:
Unproductive for fitness great for recovery?
I am also following a Garmin programme at the moment I often have a 30 minute recovery run the morning of a decent session.
I tend to use it just as a guide or for inspiration/motivation. I don't wear the watch while not exercising and I also don't have a setup that measures VO2 max while cycling or skating. Therefore, I'm aware it's not going to be entirely accurate.I am also following a Garmin programme at the moment I often have a 30 minute recovery run the morning of a decent session.
Today it was 16km of mountain biking. Was supposed to be just over 23km which doesn't sound a lot but it's very technical terrain and I was going slightly short of race pace.
My chain snapped three times, hence it was cut short. It snapped once on the way to the trails and twice during the ride. It wasn't a badly repaired chain either because I used power links each time to fix it. Just a worn out, weakened chain. Needless to say, I'll be ordering a new one.
Still, was good fun while it lasted and I don't really consider it 'training'.
My chain snapped three times, hence it was cut short. It snapped once on the way to the trails and twice during the ride. It wasn't a badly repaired chain either because I used power links each time to fix it. Just a worn out, weakened chain. Needless to say, I'll be ordering a new one.
Still, was good fun while it lasted and I don't really consider it 'training'.
Going back to my dislike of static stretching-
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/348485756...
Proof that full ROM strength training is as effective at improving ROM as any stretching protocol. So why bother stretching with its potential down sides? Just get your full Rom strength training in.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/348485756...
Proof that full ROM strength training is as effective at improving ROM as any stretching protocol. So why bother stretching with its potential down sides? Just get your full Rom strength training in.
Animal said:
5k run at lunch. 32 mins, heart rate apparently maxed at 182 and averaged 159, so I was really struggling!
Runner's high? No. Too tired to even feel the blessed relief at it being over.
Run slower for longer if you can, build some endurance and your 5k will improve as well.Runner's high? No. Too tired to even feel the blessed relief at it being over.
k after that on top of the squats and deads before work. Lovely. Finally got back to the gym today, 7 weeks since the last time, eased back into it, a little bit of strength loss but that will be easily rectified in the coming weeks, loads of biking and swimming as well. The water temp has been brutal since Christmas so out of interest I wanted to see my heart rate after 15 minutes in super cold water, I got it down to 37bpm which is a good few beats lower than normal.
popeyewhite said:
Animal said:
5k run at lunch. 32 mins, heart rate apparently maxed at 182 and averaged 159, so I was really struggling!
Runner's high? No. Too tired to even feel the blessed relief at it being over.
Run slower for longer if you can, build some endurance and your 5k will improve as well.Runner's high? No. Too tired to even feel the blessed relief at it being over.
I started running a bit last year, then stopped for a few months, now getting back into it again. I find it takes me a few runs to get to the stage where I can run 5k without stopping to walk a bit to get my breath back. So I don't tend to think about my pace until I can do the run without stopping. After that I try to maintain a steady and efficient flowing stride, I find that is what improves my pace most, apart from the aerobic fitness required to keep running.
Also your weight and stride length will be quite a factor. I'm 6ft and about 70kg - best 5k time I've managed so far is 23 mins. Would like to get under 20mins eventually...!
Also your weight and stride length will be quite a factor. I'm 6ft and about 70kg - best 5k time I've managed so far is 23 mins. Would like to get under 20mins eventually...!
Animal said:
I don't know if I can run that slowly. My best pace was 5:37/km and I averaged 7 mins (including 3 occasions when I had to stop and walk). Maybe I should aim for 6-6:15/km and see how I get on.
There's an absolute world of difference between those 2 paces. To put it into perspective, at 5.37 you'll be completing a half marathon in under 2 hours. I regularly run 10k and I'd be over the moon to finish a half in 2 hours.My guess is you've gone off way too quickly and that sets the tone for the rest of the run - i.e. legs are screwed and you're heart rate gets so high that only a long rest (like 10+ mins) will bring it down sufficiently to carry on.
For what its worth, I suffered exactly the same until I started monitoring my pace on my watch.
Here's what worked for me. Try keeping the pace at 6:30 on the next run. It'll probably be a breeze and you'll feel odd (its almost feels embarrassing as you know you can go faster, but the key point is you can't sustain it just yet as you've proved above) . From there, just up the pace each run by 10s/km until you get to a point where you just make it to the end in one piece. From there, add a bit more distance but knock the pace back 10s/km. You'll find when you go back to 5k after a few weeks of longer distances that old pace is a lot easier.
The biggest bit of advice I can give is watch your pace early on. I'm forever doing it, you feel fresh and the first 500 yards or so you just don't realise the pace you're travelling at. If you were doing that pace at the end of the 5k you'd feel like a sprinter, but when you're fresh you just don't notice it - and that's what completely f***s you up - you never fully recover from it unless you come to a complete stop (as you've found).
Hang in there, once you get the pace perfect that sh*tty feeling after each attempt disappears, then you can start setting achievable targets as you've got a better understanding of what you're body can and can't do.
Edited by The Ferret on Tuesday 9th March 12:25
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