Wegovy Anti-chubster injection-pen things
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craigthecoupe said:
How about the constant desire to drink? how does society view addiction? The desire to take drugs to escape? Smoking.....
Your drug of choice is food, which is absolutely fine, but don't paint yourself as a victim.
Despite this being a challenging comment, I mean no disrespect, and I've no interest in fighting.
How do you feel society should view such a situation?
People with other addictions have various support tools should they wish to stop. Aren't these injections like that? Another support tool?Your drug of choice is food, which is absolutely fine, but don't paint yourself as a victim.
Despite this being a challenging comment, I mean no disrespect, and I've no interest in fighting.
How do you feel society should view such a situation?
Maybe? I don't think they shouldn't exist, nor that they should be demonised. However, i don't think that overeating should be given any special treatment.
ETA: There are also numerous support groups/clubs for fitness and diet. Used in conjunction, then it's probably a wonderful tool. I'm just not keen on the tone of the comment I picked up on.
ETA: There are also numerous support groups/clubs for fitness and diet. Used in conjunction, then it's probably a wonderful tool. I'm just not keen on the tone of the comment I picked up on.
Edited by craigthecoupe on Friday 29th November 19:43
craigthecoupe said:
Maybe? I don't think they shouldn't exist, nor that they should be demonised. However, i don't think that overeating should be given any special treatment.
ETA: There are also numerous support groups/clubs for fitness and diet. Used in conjunction, then it's probably a wonderful tool. I'm just not keen on the tone of the comment I picked up on.
It's not that anyone is asking for special treatment but a person with a food addiction is automatically seen by society as just not trying hard enough.ETA: There are also numerous support groups/clubs for fitness and diet. Used in conjunction, then it's probably a wonderful tool. I'm just not keen on the tone of the comment I picked up on.
Edited by craigthecoupe on Friday 29th November 19:43
There are injections available to suppress alcohol dependence, nicotine patches etc for smoking, methadone for heroin. Why should weight loss injections for food addiction be seen as less worthy?
I'm 6 weeks in now and lost a shade off 2 stone. Had some stomach issues during the week but was happy to see the wife and kids come down with similar which meant it was a bug rather than a side effect. I'm still struggling with sulphur burps the day after injecting even when eating well but I've been on probiotics every day this week so hopefully that will help this time round.
I'm now down to a BMI of around 28 so I think I'll be at a healthy weight after this pen is done and won't need any more. It's the lightest I've been in the best part of a decade and hopefully I can keep up the smaller portion sizes without having a maintenance dose. Dangerous finishing the week before Christmas though!
John87 said:
I'm now down to a BMI of around 28 so I think I'll be at a healthy weight after this pen is done and won't need any more. It's the lightest I've been in the best part of a decade and hopefully I can keep up the smaller portion sizes without having a maintenance dose. Dangerous finishing the week before Christmas though!
Be interesting to hear how you get on.John87 said:
It's not that anyone is asking for special treatment but a person with a food addiction is automatically seen by society as just not trying hard enough.
There are injections available to suppress alcohol dependence, nicotine patches etc for smoking, methadone for heroin. Why should weight loss injections for food addiction be seen as less worthy?
I'm 6 weeks in now and lost a shade off 2 stone. Had some stomach issues during the week but was happy to see the wife and kids come down with similar which meant it was a bug rather than a side effect. I'm still struggling with sulphur burps the day after injecting even when eating well but I've been on probiotics every day this week so hopefully that will help this time round.
I'm now down to a BMI of around 28 so I think I'll be at a healthy weight after this pen is done and won't need any more. It's the lightest I've been in the best part of a decade and hopefully I can keep up the smaller portion sizes without having a maintenance dose. Dangerous finishing the week before Christmas though!
I’m hoping I can ask this without anyone taking offence as I understand it’s a tricky issue. There are injections available to suppress alcohol dependence, nicotine patches etc for smoking, methadone for heroin. Why should weight loss injections for food addiction be seen as less worthy?
I'm 6 weeks in now and lost a shade off 2 stone. Had some stomach issues during the week but was happy to see the wife and kids come down with similar which meant it was a bug rather than a side effect. I'm still struggling with sulphur burps the day after injecting even when eating well but I've been on probiotics every day this week so hopefully that will help this time round.
I'm now down to a BMI of around 28 so I think I'll be at a healthy weight after this pen is done and won't need any more. It's the lightest I've been in the best part of a decade and hopefully I can keep up the smaller portion sizes without having a maintenance dose. Dangerous finishing the week before Christmas though!
If we acknowledge that food addiction is a real issue (I do, and I believe we’re all on a scale of this somewhere), than these drugs are obviously incredible.
However, once you’re down to your target weight and stop taking them, how does that mean your addiction is over? Why do you expect to be able to manage your weight when prior to the drug use you weren’t able to?
To add some context…
I consider myself fairly far along the food addiction curve. I am very active and have found over the years that running is the only way I can moderate my weight. I need to run, work out and keep moving to offset the portions I eat and this means I stay at a bmi of 23. However, I didn’t always do this and used keto etc to try and moderate my weight but it always bounded back up a couple of kg when I stopped and I laced up the trainers again.
So I know what’s it’s like when target weights are achieved and wonder what you guys think will happen. Will you simply not allow yourself to gain the weight, embark on a fitness regime?
I consider myself fairly far along the food addiction curve. I am very active and have found over the years that running is the only way I can moderate my weight. I need to run, work out and keep moving to offset the portions I eat and this means I stay at a bmi of 23. However, I didn’t always do this and used keto etc to try and moderate my weight but it always bounded back up a couple of kg when I stopped and I laced up the trainers again.
So I know what’s it’s like when target weights are achieved and wonder what you guys think will happen. Will you simply not allow yourself to gain the weight, embark on a fitness regime?
John87 said:
It's not that anyone is asking for special treatment but a person with a food addiction is automatically seen by society as just not trying hard enough.
There are injections available to suppress alcohol dependence, nicotine patches etc for smoking, methadone for heroin. Why should weight loss injections for food addiction be seen as less worthy?
I thought i was careful and respectful in my point. I clearly said i didn't think the drug shouldn't be available, nor that it should be thought ill of. My point was a broader one on how society views addiction in response to a post on the last page. There are injections available to suppress alcohol dependence, nicotine patches etc for smoking, methadone for heroin. Why should weight loss injections for food addiction be seen as less worthy?
I think society probably does view being overweight inline with being a bit lazy, I also think it views smokers who can't quit as not trying hard enough, and alcoholics as weak willed.
the notion that weight loss and good health isn't supported is frankly mad.
My apologies for moving this thread into a different direction.
craigthecoupe said:
My apologies for moving this thread into a different direction.
It’s gone back and forth a few times. Mounjaro is a massive eye opener, it’s a real ‘oh, this must be how most other people feel’, followed by a massive ‘this is life changing, I don’t want anyone to take this away from me. I can finally be normal’ so people get very sensitive when any of the lifelong ‘it’s just willpower, calories in / calories out, lazy’ etc stuff gets rolled out because it feels like people are trying to ban it.I would be quite happy if I was on it for the rest of my life, even at £200 a month.
Have signed up today through a well known online pharmacy.
I am a multi ironman 70.3 and 140.6 athlete. Multi-endurance ultra cyclist. I am currently training for a 100km ultra run next year. I am what people refer to as mentally strong willed and resillient. I can run a half marathon or marathon right now without trepidation. Exercise makes me happy, it is my stress relief.
I am over 15 stone, i have depression, i commute long distances, i have a highly stressful job, i work long hours, i have high blood pressure, i am at risk of heart attack (genetic), i have asthama, and i have two young children and a wife who has a successful career. I am 42.
My diet and alchol consumption is horrendous, all driven through depression, stress, and lack of avaliable time. The more i train the more i eat, the more stress i take on the more i eat and drink for comfort, the more compressed i am for time i reach for processed food . The heavier i get the less i exercise or struggle to exercise, the heavier and unhealthier i get the more my depression is triggered which then creates food binges - all of this pushes my blood pressure up and risk of heart attack up.
I am 43 in the next week. I have taken a decision today to make a change in my life by accepting that i need help.
Let's see what happens.
I am a multi ironman 70.3 and 140.6 athlete. Multi-endurance ultra cyclist. I am currently training for a 100km ultra run next year. I am what people refer to as mentally strong willed and resillient. I can run a half marathon or marathon right now without trepidation. Exercise makes me happy, it is my stress relief.
I am over 15 stone, i have depression, i commute long distances, i have a highly stressful job, i work long hours, i have high blood pressure, i am at risk of heart attack (genetic), i have asthama, and i have two young children and a wife who has a successful career. I am 42.
My diet and alchol consumption is horrendous, all driven through depression, stress, and lack of avaliable time. The more i train the more i eat, the more stress i take on the more i eat and drink for comfort, the more compressed i am for time i reach for processed food . The heavier i get the less i exercise or struggle to exercise, the heavier and unhealthier i get the more my depression is triggered which then creates food binges - all of this pushes my blood pressure up and risk of heart attack up.
I am 43 in the next week. I have taken a decision today to make a change in my life by accepting that i need help.
Let's see what happens.
I’m 3 weeks in and have lost a stone, it’s astonishing, I’m still eating, just skipping either lunch or breakfast and never snacking, I didn’t realise quite how much I did snack before. I’ve just ordered my second pen (Mounjaro) so am looking forward to seeing what the higher dose brings.
Edited by Junglebert on Saturday 30th November 16:54
I’m now 7 months in today.
I’ve lost 5 3/4 stones/36 kg.
I’ve now set a target of another 12kg to lose then on to maintain it.
Will still be classed as obese but I am 6ft2 and broad. I would look ridiculous at 13 stone where the NHS BMI chart shows me as healthy.
Still drink what I want Fri and Saturday and a bit Sunday but not at all Monday-Friday.
I’ve lost 5 3/4 stones/36 kg.
I’ve now set a target of another 12kg to lose then on to maintain it.
Will still be classed as obese but I am 6ft2 and broad. I would look ridiculous at 13 stone where the NHS BMI chart shows me as healthy.
Still drink what I want Fri and Saturday and a bit Sunday but not at all Monday-Friday.
BobSaunders said:
Have signed up today through a well known online pharmacy.
I am a multi ironman 70.3 and 140.6 athlete. Multi-endurance ultra cyclist. I am currently training for a 100km ultra run next year. I am what people refer to as mentally strong willed and resillient. I can run a half marathon or marathon right now without trepidation. Exercise makes me happy, it is my stress relief.
I am over 15 stone, i have depression, i commute long distances, i have a highly stressful job, i work long hours, i have high blood pressure, i am at risk of heart attack (genetic), i have asthama, and i have two young children and a wife who has a successful career. I am 42.
My diet and alchol consumption is horrendous, all driven through depression, stress, and lack of avaliable time. The more i train the more i eat, the more stress i take on the more i eat and drink for comfort, the more compressed i am for time i reach for processed food . The heavier i get the less i exercise or struggle to exercise, the heavier and unhealthier i get the more my depression is triggered which then creates food binges - all of this pushes my blood pressure up and risk of heart attack up.
I am 43 in the next week. I have taken a decision today to make a change in my life by accepting that i need help.
Let's see what happens.
So many similarities, but weight had ballooned to 19st 9lb, partly due to meds to cope with waking up with migraines from stress from high stress job with 120 mile daily commute, high BP, couple of stays in hospital (9 failed lumbar punctures in one weekend wasn’t fun), but background in very competitive time trial cycling and previously being really fit and healthy.I am a multi ironman 70.3 and 140.6 athlete. Multi-endurance ultra cyclist. I am currently training for a 100km ultra run next year. I am what people refer to as mentally strong willed and resillient. I can run a half marathon or marathon right now without trepidation. Exercise makes me happy, it is my stress relief.
I am over 15 stone, i have depression, i commute long distances, i have a highly stressful job, i work long hours, i have high blood pressure, i am at risk of heart attack (genetic), i have asthama, and i have two young children and a wife who has a successful career. I am 42.
My diet and alchol consumption is horrendous, all driven through depression, stress, and lack of avaliable time. The more i train the more i eat, the more stress i take on the more i eat and drink for comfort, the more compressed i am for time i reach for processed food . The heavier i get the less i exercise or struggle to exercise, the heavier and unhealthier i get the more my depression is triggered which then creates food binges - all of this pushes my blood pressure up and risk of heart attack up.
I am 43 in the next week. I have taken a decision today to make a change in my life by accepting that i need help.
Let's see what happens.
I’m half way to my end goal, but the real plus are the mental state of mind. Migraines gone, BP down, being more effective in my role, better financial choices etc etc etc. I hope it works as well for you.
LeftmostAardvark said:
Badda said:
Isn’t the requirement to have a BMI over 30?
Or BMI 27 with two (I think) additional co-morbidities.Edited by LeftmostAardvark on Saturday 30th November 18:28
Adults must have at least one weight-related health condition, such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol, cardiovascular disease, prediabetes, or type 2 diabetes
Badda said:
Isn’t the requirement to have a BMI over 30?
I suggested my wife looks into this, 10 years ago she lost a lot of weight and was 12 1/2 stone, now 16 stone. She has hyperthyroid, but her BMI is 33 from a quick calculation. She is going to phone the surgery on Monday to see what they say.It seems if your BMI is under 50 you need a pre existing condition, her thyroid might entitle her.
Edited by lost in espace on Sunday 1st December 11:00
EmilA said:
Impressive weight losses by some. Are you doing anything else on top of the jabs or the drop is from eating less?
Its pretty much all from eating less. The jabs boost/replace/overload satiety signalling in the body massively reducing a person's normal appetite and their interest, or desire, to snack.Ideally this should be combined with exercise and a higher protein diet to ensure the weight loss is from fat and not from lean tissue (muscle mass).
Exercise will be very beneficial to health, but not as effective for weight loss as a significant change to diet.
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