How long till the Β£20k Evora?

How long till the Β£20k Evora?

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The Wookie

12,259 posts

186 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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The Wookie said:
Frimley111R said:
Its all about the interior tbh, the rest is the same (there are other changes but you won't se/notice them). Despite claims of improved build I don't think my car is any better than a pre MY12 car.
I'd agree with that, although I'd also add the gearshift as it is significantly better in my experience of them. Aside from the doors clunking shut a bit more authoritatively it hasn't been any better for minor rattles and fiddly faults. Neither car (touch wood) had any major reliability concerns apart from the pre-recall oil leak.

The interior does look nicer and has worn much better though.
Actually, I had a thought. There is one area where my 2013 car is a lot better than my old 2011 and that is over corrugated surfaces and cobbles. The old one started to feel like the close flying formation of parts that Lotus are usually famed for, whereas the new one is rock solid with no big rattles or wobbles from anything.

The Wookie

12,259 posts

186 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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superdave said:
I think it's just a standard Elise item

Boogs

224 posts

101 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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superdave said:
http://www.deroure.com/diagrams.asp?TBL=5650&MAK=1&MDL=20&SMA=0&SMO=0&ST=&SC=0

You want items 44,45 and 34a and a new cable tie.

Can't say I noticed a difference in the gear change, but it is effing cold at the moment, but once warmed up is much nicer.

Edited by Boogs on Friday 30th January 17:57

blueg33

24,500 posts

182 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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Boogs said:
superdave said:
http://www.deroure.com/diagrams.asp?TBL=5650&MAK=1&MDL=20&SMA=0&SMO=0&ST=&SC=0

You want items 44,45 and 34a and a new cable tie.

Can't say I noticed a difference in the gear change, but it is effing cold at the moment, but once warmed up is much nicer.

Edited by Boogs on Friday 30th January 17:57
I like the leather one.

My Tuscan had an aluminium one similar tio the sports racer item. It used to get too hot to touch......

Gravel

116 posts

78 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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Can someone please double check my Man-maths? Unless the used market changes massively, would I be right in assuming that a 2013 car bought now, and well looked after for 3 years, would in 2018 be worth roughly what at 2010 car is worth now?

Also would a car less than 3 years still be under warranty with the factory/Lotus, rather than with the dealer that sold it?


CTE

1,353 posts

198 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Don`t know about your man maths but it would be true to say the cars seem to depreciate about 2/3K p.a. (after the initial hit) depending upon usage etc. Also we do not know the effect that the new version might have. You`d expect they would have to up the new price, but this can`t be by much otherwise it will not be competitive...and if so any current spec new cars sitting around will be hard to shift.
It is hard to determine where the cars will eventually bottom out? I guess longer term they may be seen as a potentially very expenisve liability, but on the other hand they may prove to be very solid long term (apart from trim etc) which I think will be the case. Like everything it is all down to supply and demand...
I paid just under £40k for my S+0 about 2 1/2 years ago. Guess I`ll get £33-35k for it now...quite acceptable I think.

The warranty is from Lotus not the dealer...however the dealer or you should notify Lotus of the change of ownership.

blueg33

24,500 posts

182 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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CTE said:
Don`t know about your man maths but it would be true to say the cars seem to depreciate about 2/3K p.a. (after the initial hit) depending upon usage etc. Also we do not know the effect that the new version might have. You`d expect they would have to up the new price, but this can`t be by much otherwise it will not be competitive...and if so any current spec new cars sitting around will be hard to shift.
It is hard to determine where the cars will eventually bottom out? I guess longer term they may be seen as a potentially very expenisve liability, but on the other hand they may prove to be very solid long term (apart from trim etc) which I think will be the case. Like everything it is all down to supply and demand...
I paid just under £40k for my S+0 about 2 1/2 years ago. Guess I`ll get £33-35k for it now...quite acceptable I think.

The warranty is from Lotus not the dealer...however the dealer or you should notify Lotus of the change of ownership.
If it was a +2 I would def give you £35 depending on mileage and spec

Shnozz

22,075 posts

229 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Therein lies a dilemma for me.

I don't need a +2, and to be honest for my use a .0 would do me better in being able to throw 2 suitcases in the back for European jaunts. Yes, I can put them on the seats but either risk damaging the leather or remove the velcroed seat base but it looks a bit, well, st and more incomplete than a Lotus already looks inside.

But buying a .0 appears to restrict the market resale wise by a fairly large margin and price differences don't seem to be that remarkable between a .0 and a +2 to even have the benefit of ££s in my pocket at purchase and sell it equally cheap at resale.

I really, really don't want to sell my Exige and doing so begrudgingly means its even harder to be excitedly shopping for the replacement - the fact that the .0 cars seem to be priced within a whisker of the +2 cars isn't helping matters. And then there is the small issue of the Aston V8V being at a similar price point...hmm.

CTE

1,353 posts

198 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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I bet if I went to a dealer to p/x my Evora, after much humming and harring and all the excuses in the world by the dealer, I would be offered less due to it being a +0, but I would not mind because I paid less for it.
No doubt you could push a dealer/private to get a better price with the same arguments. If it is for sale, then they want to sell it.

Mr Overheads

1,893 posts

134 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Shnozz said:
Therein lies a dilemma for me.

I don't need a +2, and to be honest for my use a .0 would do me better in being able to throw 2 suitcases in the back for European jaunts. Yes, I can put them on the seats but either risk damaging the leather or remove the velcroed seat base but it looks a bit, well, st and more incomplete than a Lotus already looks inside.

But buying a .0 appears to restrict the market resale wise by a fairly large margin and price differences don't seem to be that remarkable between a .0 and a +2 to even have the benefit of ££s in my pocket at purchase and sell it equally cheap at resale.

I really, really don't want to sell my Exige and doing so begrudgingly means its even harder to be excitedly shopping for the replacement - the fact that the .0 cars seem to be priced within a whisker of the +2 cars isn't helping matters. And then there is the small issue of the Aston V8V being at a similar price point...hmm.
I've owned the V8V and the Evora - V8V has fantastic pull/torque, but is better to look at than to drive (I had the N400 i.e. sportier version). Evora is fantastic in comparison.

If you're looking then I'm going to sell my Evora S (not washed and polished ready for pics yet, but will be in next week or so, so contact me if you're interested - MY2011, Diamond Cut Alloys, MY12 Gear cables/linkages/knob, all other known warranty issues sorted 2+2 and rear seat does remove easily to give a flat surface.

CTE

1,353 posts

198 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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What are you replacing your Evora with...out of interest. Do you use it as your daily car?

C43

666 posts

156 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Shnozz, for all but the most dedicated track day the Evora is light years better than an Exige. Yes the ride, comfort and practicality is better in the Evora (no st shirlock) but also the amount you can play with the car on the average cross country bumpy British road.

just my opinion

C43

Toaster

2,857 posts

151 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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C43 said:
Shnozz, for all but the most dedicated track day the Evora is light years better than an Exige. Yes the ride, comfort and practicality is better in the Evora (no st shirlock) but also the amount you can play with the car on the average cross country bumpy British road.

just my opinion

C43
+1 so thats 2 x opinions smile

Mr Overheads

1,893 posts

134 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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CTE said:
What are you replacing your Evora with...out of interest. Do you use it as your daily car?
Considering a 2006/7 M5 for about £15k to £18k. Releases some capital for moving house and never owned a powerful saloon, so might as well try one of the best. Will go back to a Lotus probably in 12 months or so (or perhaps a Maserati GranTurismo).

Evora is used as a daily driver.

blueg33

24,500 posts

182 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Toaster said:
C43 said:
Shnozz, for all but the most dedicated track day the Evora is light years better than an Exige. Yes the ride, comfort and practicality is better in the Evora (no st shirlock) but also the amount you can play with the car on the average cross country bumpy British road.

just my opinion

C43
+1 so thats 2 x opinions smile
+ another 1 so that 3 x opinions

blueg33

24,500 posts

182 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Mr Overheads said:
CTE said:
What are you replacing your Evora with...out of interest. Do you use it as your daily car?
Considering a 2006/7 M5 for about £15k to £18k. Releases some capital for moving house and never owned a powerful saloon, so might as well try one of the best. Will go back to a Lotus probably in 12 months or so (or perhaps a Maserati GranTurismo).

Evora is used as a daily driver.
maser grantourismo is a great GT car, but lacks any of the precision of an Evora, sound great though, build quality isn't great, a slightly OCD mate has one and the skewed badges and glove compartment that just falls open really annoy him. Mind you he is a sucker for punishement because he has just bought a Hurracan to add to his fleet

stevebe

25 posts

220 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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blueg33 said:
Toaster said:
C43 said:
Shnozz, for all but the most dedicated track day the Evora is light years better than an Exige. Yes the ride, comfort and practicality is better in the Evora (no st shirlock) but also the amount you can play with the car on the average cross country bumpy British road.

just my opinion

C43
+1 so thats 2 x opinions smile
+ another 1 so that 3 x opinions
I've has my Evora NA IPS since last May and until last August had Exige 260S as well. Evora is so easy to live with and lots of fun like a bigger comfier Exige. Had my S2 Exige for 6.5 years and did lots of trackdays and although not been on track in the Evora (until Spa in July) I have been in a friends at Anglesey and it was awesome on track

C43

666 posts

156 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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I have yet to drive mine on track. However got a passenger ride in an Evora NA at Castle during the Lotus festival there and nothing else out there could live with it. I am sure this was a lot to do with the driver but it does show they are good on track as well.

What I like is just how much you can drift the car around on the road. The last month of winter driving has been pretty special!

C43

SWhitey

19 posts

123 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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C43 said:
I have yet to drive mine on track. However got a passenger ride in an Evora NA at Castle during the Lotus festival there and nothing else out there could live with it. I am sure this was a lot to do with the driver but it does show they are good on track as well.

What I like is just how much you can drift the car around on the road. The last month of winter driving has been pretty special!

C43
Hey Christian - think that was me in the yellow one, thanks for the compliment!

They are indeed very good on track - in the wet or dry, just great fun. I have had mine now for just over 3 years, coming from a 200hp 111R with Exige suspension upgrade. Without doubt, the Evora is the quicker car across country on B roads, as well as being far more practical and comfy.

Phil - Re the +0, or +2 debate, I purposely went for the +0 as I knew I was never going to carry anyone in the back - kids all grown up! I also thought the rear shelf with luggage retainer would come in handy for longer jaunts- and it has, many times. Have done LeMans classic in it twice and it can carry a huge amount of stuff. Had the car fridge on the rear shelf plugged in on both trips, and there's still room for loads more. I certainly wouldn't buy a +2 just for the resale reason - especially if you know you're not going to carry rear seat passengers anyway. Last year I even had to increase my mileage, as being more useable, I have done just that. If you are ever down Chepstow / Bristol area, then give me a shout.

Gravel

116 posts

78 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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Can anyone tell me what the various option packs cost on a new car? There's quite a variation in kit on the used ones, and I'd like to get a feel for how good value cars with different specs are...

Is there any real difference between a Sports Racer 'S' and an 'S' with the Tech + Premium packs?

Ta.