430 v GT140

430 v GT140

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BertBert

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178 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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cypriot said:
just make sure you get on with the thin carbon seats in the 410. some people find them rather uncomfortable, hence why a lot of the 430s were actually specced with the "normal" folding seats.

Also bear in mind that what tyres the cars are using plays a huge role in how the cars feel. I had michelin supersports and Cup 2s, and the difference in smoothness between the 2 was very noticeable. I am saying this just to make the point that if a particular feels a little too stiff, then changing the tyres to something like the michelin pilot sport 4s will really help.
Good points, thanks. So the PS4s are more compliant?

gareth h

2,612 posts

197 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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BertBert said:
cypriot said:
just make sure you get on with the thin carbon seats in the 410. some people find them rather uncomfortable, hence why a lot of the 430s were actually specced with the "normal" folding seats.

Also bear in mind that what tyres the cars are using plays a huge role in how the cars feel. I had michelin supersports and Cup 2s, and the difference in smoothness between the 2 was very noticeable. I am saying this just to make the point that if a particular feels a little too stiff, then changing the tyres to something like the michelin pilot sport 4s will really help.
Good points, thanks. So the PS4s are more compliant?
The seats are very upright, but you can get adaptors to tilt them back which gives more support behind the thighs (and they do look great!)

cypriot

432 posts

66 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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BertBert said:
Good points, thanks. So the PS4s are more compliant?
yes, sorry I should have made that clear. Yes the PS4S (note the "S" at the end, as confusingly there is tyre called "PS4" which are different) are far more compliant than the Cup 2.

SELON

1,153 posts

96 months

Monday 7th December 2020
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BertBert said:
Thanks for that link I'm still waiding through which is very interesting. The view is definitely mixed. Certainly at least one poster who compares the 410 and the 430 concluding that the 430 is firm and perhaps not as composed as the 410. But the majority absolutely love them and seem to use them on the road a lot.

Mind you not many used ones about and looking at them I definitely would like a bright colour. Also at 80 something for a used one, there's a lot of choice of other fun stuff.

Probably looking more to the 410 at the moment.

Bert
Hi, a good mate of mine has a spotless 19 plate, 4K miles, pewter gray 410 with all the right options including the CF seats that sit you nice comfy and low in the car (compared to normal seats). It’s not on the market and he’s only mulling it over as he bought another car in the summer, but if you wanted to spend around £60k...DM me and I’ll happily put you in touch.

BertBert

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Monday 7th December 2020
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SELON said:
Hi, a good mate of mine has a spotless 19 plate, 4K miles, pewter gray 410 with all the right options including the CF seats that sit you nice comfy and low in the car (compared to normal seats). It’s not on the market and he’s only mulling it over as he bought another car in the summer, but if you wanted to spend around £60k...DM me and I’ll happily put you in touch.
Hi certainly interested, thanks. Tried to DM you but your profile doesn't allow it. Do you want to DM me andv we can exchange email addresses?

jerrytlr

352 posts

180 months

Monday 7th December 2020
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SFTWend said:
That's been for sale with them for a very long time, but then so have most Evoras with all the dealers. Love that colour.

My understanding is the 410 Sport was a slightly stripped out version of the 400, introduced the slatted carbon engine cover and only available as 2 seater.

I prefer the later GT410 Sport as I'd want a 2+2 and the GT refinements. If I was after a hardcore 2 seater I'd buy an Exige.
Sport 410 preceded the GT410 Sport.

Sport 410 introduced all the carbon and weight saving stuff - engine cover, roof, access panels, etc. Even where the rear side windows should be are replaced by carbon panels. Also has the lightweight carbon seats, Li battery, forged wheels...

I don't think the GT410 Sport has any further weight saving stuff (430 has more carbon), and GT loses the carbon rear windows. Main difference with the GT410 is it has the newer front end design, which you may prefer.

I chose the Sport 410 over the 400/GT410 mainly because of the lightweight seats- I felt the Sparcos were too high. Both are very comfortable (I have done 5 hour plus journeys in both Sport410 and GT410). But it's important to try them. The carbon seats do look awesome too :-)

Good point re. Exige - Sport 410 and Exige do compete - but even the Sport 410 Evora (with sound deadening and a/c optioned back in) makes a superb, quiet cruiser with the exhaust valve closed....


All great cars :-)




Edited by jerrytlr on Monday 7th December 19:45

SELON

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96 months

Monday 7th December 2020
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BertBert said:
Hi certainly interested, thanks. Tried to DM you but your profile doesn't allow it. Do you want to DM me andv we can exchange email addresses?
Ah sorry about that. Have changed the setting. But I think he might have messaged you directly just now. All the best with your search. Lovely cars.

BertBert

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178 months

Wednesday 16th December 2020
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Just noticed that the one at B&C with the lovely tan leather interior has been sold. That's good really as I loved the inside, but it looked dull on the outside. I'm in contact with Jerrytlr about his and whether covid rules let us get together for me to see it. Certainly looks nice in the pics!

ETA: to the topic of the thread, I don't think I can convince myself to go for a 430.

Bert

RGLotus

3 posts

50 months

Thursday 28th January
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I'm also in the market for a GT410 Sport, have you got your eye on any others?

BertBert

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Thursday 28th January
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Not specifically. I look on the lotus cars pre-owned site from time to time. The Canyon Red one at Hendys Poole looks stunning to me in the pics, but at nearly 90k, it's too much for me. At that price, I'd have to get a Cayman GT4 or new 4.0 GTS

I'm thinking of hedging my bets a bit and going down one to a 410 sport. I just don't like depreciation.

CTE

1,395 posts

207 months

Friday 29th January
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I got my GT410 Sport (2019) from my local dealer (who`s not always known to be the cheapest) for just over £70k...think there`s room for negotiation with the advertised prices, especially as the cars are sitting around longer at present...

RGLotus

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50 months

Friday 29th January
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BertBert said:
Not specifically. I look on the lotus cars pre-owned site from time to time. The Canyon Red one at Hendys Poole looks stunning to me in the pics, but at nearly 90k, it's too much for me. At that price, I'd have to get a Cayman GT4 or new 4.0 GTS

I'm thinking of hedging my bets a bit and going down one to a 410 sport. I just don't like depreciation.
Yes, I called Hendy about the Canyon one - looks beautiful although I prefer alcantara interior. They weren't interested in budging on the price though.

I'm honing in on one aiming for mid 60s

ecain63

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142 months

Saturday 30th January
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RGLotus said:
Yes, I called Hendy about the Canyon one - looks beautiful although I prefer alcantara interior. They weren't interested in budging on the price though.

I'm honing in on one aiming for mid 60s
You have to remember with these cars, it's not always possible for a dealer to just "budge on price". Lotus invoice them for the cars and they can't sell them for a loss. They don't have huge margins like the big brands do. It was exactly the same when I was in my Alfa QF. BMW has nearly 50% margin in an M3 to play with, whereas Alfa had 10% at the time. On a brand new £100k lotus you're lucky if there's £10k of margin to push on. That canyon red has already been discounted hence they're unwilling to move at the moment. I think it was over £100k last year.

BertBert

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Wednesday 3rd February
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Still mooching round and I think I must be struggling to understand, but I am still confused between the variants...

In the current models there appears to be a GT410
https://www.hendy.co.uk/lotus/used-cars/lotus-evor...
as well as a GT410 sport
https://www.hendy.co.uk/lotus/used-cars/lotus-evor...

They are on the Lotus website at £3k difference in price, is that just the different engine cover? Or are there other differences. You'd have thought it's not beyond ability for Lotus to actually say something about the model variants to help understand them!

Cheers
Bert

CTE

1,395 posts

207 months

Thursday 4th February
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As I understand it the GT410 Sport has several performance orientated upgrades like carbon engine cover, titanium exhaust etc and also stiffer spring/damper rates. This gives the car an almost Exige like ability to change direction but it is at the expense of a slightly choppy ride at times.
The 410 does not have the above carbon bits etc and also reverts back to a more road orientated spring and damper set up and has been highly praised for it in the motoring press. It also has the door pockets etc which are removed on the sport model to save err bugger all weight.
Its funny, I`ve had nearly every variant of the Evora and I always wanted my original 2011 S to be a bit sharper, although it did have the best cross country in all weathers set up imaginable...and the cars have got progressively firmer to the point with my current 410 Sport I find myself on occasion wishing it were a bit more compliant, especially when I have the wife and dog in tow!
I expect the 410 is the best compromise all round for the road, and its a bit cheaper...

BertBert

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Friday 5th February
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Thanks, that makes sense. I took a quick look at the configurator on my phone. It looks like both the carbon roof and the Titanium exhaust are options on both! Very confusing.

CTE

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207 months

Saturday 6th February
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And very expensive!

twinturban

203 posts

89 months

Sunday 7th February
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GT410 Sport was for a while the only Evora being produced. Closer in set-up to the previous Sport 410 which was a lightweight, stripped out version of the Evora 400.

GT410 was introduced to offer a smoother ride and more comfort for road use with less regard to weight reduction or track use. Essentially returned the car to Evora 400 spec.

GT430 remains the ultimate version of the Evora for both road and track. The Ohlins dampers are adjustable so could be softened for the road and firmed up for the track. Salesmen saying it wasn't for the road were just trying to sell a 410 as the 430 sold out and was no longer available! It makes proper downforce, over twice that of a GT3. The benefits at 70mph are limited but it does offer exceptional stability above that.

BertBert

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Sunday 7th February
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Thanks that's very helpful. It seems to me that the Sport 410 could be good vfm at the moment provided one gets on with the buckets and the firmness of the ride. With an early one taking a good hit on depreciation.

I would love to try a 430 but in reality it's not in my budget, even if I was having ideas in that direction when I started this thread!

Bert

twinturban

203 posts

89 months

Sunday 7th February
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All Evoras ride better than 911s, it's only that the original car had such an uncanny magic carpet ride that the Sport version seemed firm - for an Evora. Compared to most other performance cars the Sport version ride really well.

The GT430 is an absolute steal at around £80k. There are people paying more for GT410 Sports. I have no idea why. They only made 60 GT430s for the world and there are only 20 in the UK. With Evora production coming to an end this year it will go down as the ultimate version of them all. The wide body GT350 (GTE) is even rarer but only had 345bhp as standard.