The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 15]

The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 15]

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anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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ferrisbueller said:
Fabinho started as a RB at Monaco before they converted to to CDM. IIRC all his Brazil caps are at RB.
AIUI he prefers CDM but Brazil are/were quite heavily stocked in that position but not so much at RB so he had more of a chance of getting a spot at RB

(vague memories of discussions around this when we were linked with him eons ago)

ferrisbueller

29,327 posts

227 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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anonymous said:
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Yes, you've players like Casemiro and Fernandinho knocking about.

However, he was RB at Monaco for a couple of seasons before moving to CDM.

m3sye

26,231 posts

201 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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type-r said:
What happened to Klopp liking players covering different positions?
Isn't Klopp a coach?
Was Henry a winger before he was a striker?
Did Camacho play as a striker the other day?
Could it be an opportunity for him to get 1st team exposure?
Did Fabinho play RB before playing as a midfielder. Last time I checked, he played in central defence.
Free up funds for other positions?


It isn't rocket science. My initial opinion was simply he could with the right coaching take a position in the 1st team squad to cover an area where we will be missing a player in a few months times. Not to say he needs to stay there all his life.
Bit of bloody diff, making an out and out creative player a defender,.

I wonder how far Adam Lewis is off coming through, be 187 now, remember Gerrard hailing him as a proper player when he was in charge of the youth.

No doubt JK will have a plan for next season.

m3sye

26,231 posts

201 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Klopp confirms TAA won’t be out that long ..in fact will probably be ready for our next league game

Jurgen Klopp has ruled Rhian Brewster out for the rest of the season, says he's had "a little surgery" and is in a good way but he won't be considered for first team until summer time. Ki-Jana Hoever, who turns 17 today, is also eligible for a first professional contract. - obviously wants him 100% for next season

Klopp on Brewster/Ox: "He's outside running & is in a good way. But we don't have to think about him before pre-season. Alex is closer, last time I put a bit of pressure on the medical department. He looks without any problems, no swelling. I think you'll see him this season."

Klopp confirms Gini may make it tmro too ..I still think he will be rested though as we have sufficient cover this week with fab and hendo but great to know it’s nothing serious

m3sye

26,231 posts

201 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Chris Stott

13,365 posts

197 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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m3sye said:
Another transformation in the club that's really encouraging - the way transfers (both in and out) and contracts are being managed feels completely different to a few years back.

m3sye

26,231 posts

201 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Yep Michael Edwards really is the GOAT at transfers and contracts.

Not only does he get us top dollars for players he is willing to sign them too, unlike some. All our top players are young, contracted down and play multiple positions.
No doubt he will also get the Spurs boys backs up even more come summer when he spends another 100m+, can't wait smile

jammy-git

29,778 posts

212 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Didn't we poach Michael Edwards from Spurs?!

I have a bad feeling about this weekend. Apparently Hodgson has never lost at Anfield (as the away manager) and he's confirmed he's bringing in a keeper for his first start since 2017 - he's bound to have a blinder!!

ChocolateFrog

25,327 posts

173 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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No tears when Moreno leaves, I'll pack his bags for him.

Bit unlucky for Sturridge, he just had too many injuries to get any momentum these last few years, he definitely adds something different and needed to the squad.

wjb

5,100 posts

131 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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ChocolateFrog said:
Bit unlucky for Sturridge, he just had too many injuries to get any momentum these last few years, he definitely adds something different and needed to the squad.
It will be a shame when Sturridge leaves, he's genuinely a world class finisher, but his body has let him down.

Watching him on LFC videos he's really funny imo and gives the impression that he's a great guy to be around too, his teammates seem to love him so he'll defo be missed.

wjb

5,100 posts

131 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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jammy-git said:
I have a bad feeling about this weekend. Apparently Hodgson has never lost at Anfield (as the away manager) and he's confirmed he's bringing in a keeper for his first start since 2017 - he's bound to have a blinder!!
Glad you put 'as the away manager' in there, I've managed to block them out but I definitely witnessed a couple of losses in person!!

I feel semi confident, but they recently put 3 past city at home so we'll have to be very careful.

Chris Stott

13,365 posts

197 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Body and attitude/character.

Steveie alludes to it in his autobiography... sort of says Sturridge only needs to feel the slightest twinge then he’s off to see the trainer and won’t play until he feels 100%.

He’s scored some brilliant goals for us, but he’s spent far too much time injured.

NRS

22,163 posts

201 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Chris Stott said:
Body and attitude/character.

Steveie alludes to it in his autobiography... sort of says Sturridge only needs to feel the slightest twinge then he’s off to see the trainer and won’t play until he feels 100%.

He’s scored some brilliant goals for us, but he’s spent far too much time injured.
If you kept getting injured you'd do that though. I thought people twisting ankles was all a lot of rubbish for the most part until I went over it once badly, and can still feel weaker now. If your body lets you down you'll not trust it and want to look after it as much as possible.

ChocolateFrog

25,327 posts

173 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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It's true. I've had a bad knee injury which included a compete MCL tear, similar to AOC. I still can't run 3 years and 3 surgeries on so I can see why they're taking their time with him. I genuinely don't know how he'll get over the mental aspect the next time he goes in for a 50:50.

ferrisbueller

29,327 posts

227 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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NRS said:
Chris Stott said:
Body and attitude/character.

Steveie alludes to it in his autobiography... sort of says Sturridge only needs to feel the slightest twinge then he’s off to see the trainer and won’t play until he feels 100%.

He’s scored some brilliant goals for us, but he’s spent far too much time injured.
If you kept getting injured you'd do that though. I thought people twisting ankles was all a lot of rubbish for the most part until I went over it once badly, and can still feel weaker now. If your body lets you down you'll not trust it and want to look after it as much as possible.
I'm not sure I've seen Sturridge sprint since his WBA debut when he got injured, again. His body has continuously let him down and impacted his career massively. It's a shame but in the world of professional/elite sport it means you're flawed. I think he's a brilliant player, but he can't cut it in a Klopp team playing to its fullest.

Flip Martian

19,674 posts

190 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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The best do get over it though. I remember Stevie G saying that in his book about Sturridge. I think Klopp has had an impact on Sturridge though - he's been less "unavailable" in the last year or so than he ever was before. I assumed he'd basically been told to have more self belief and be a bit tougher mentally.

We often forget these are elite athletes - their livelihoods depend on their fitness. Remember Carragher being out for 6 months after Lucas Neill broke his leg in 2003. Never let it affect him. Most players - from what I've read - are in pain most of the time during the season. Aches and pains are a regular consequence of running your legs off for 90 minutes and then training most days.

NRS

22,163 posts

201 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Flip Martian said:
The best do get over it though. I remember Stevie G saying that in his book about Sturridge. I think Klopp has had an impact on Sturridge though - he's been less "unavailable" in the last year or so than he ever was before. I assumed he'd basically been told to have more self belief and be a bit tougher mentally.

We often forget these are elite athletes - their livelihoods depend on their fitness. Remember Carragher being out for 6 months after Lucas Neill broke his leg in 2003. Never let it affect him. Most players - from what I've read - are in pain most of the time during the season. Aches and pains are a regular consequence of running your legs off for 90 minutes and then training most days.
That's rubbish though. There's a massive difference between going through a bit of pain to keep fitness up say, and having a body that fails and results in multiple injuries. Some people are more susceptible to certain types of injury. If it's just about running through the pain then anyone could be an elite athlete if they just tried hard enough, In reality some bodies are genetically better at sports than others. Some are better at sports in performance, but always get injured due to genetic stuff that makes them more likely to be injured. A simple thing could be over or underpronating feet - which makes certain injuries more common. Someone with "normal" feet saying just pull yourself together and make an effort won't understand. Some genetic traits will effectively wear out a body more quickly.

Flip Martian

19,674 posts

190 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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NRS said:
That's rubbish though. There's a massive difference between going through a bit of pain to keep fitness up say, and having a body that fails and results in multiple injuries. Some people are more susceptible to certain types of injury. If it's just about running through the pain then anyone could be an elite athlete if they just tried hard enough, In reality some bodies are genetically better at sports than others. Some are better at sports in performance, but always get injured due to genetic stuff that makes them more likely to be injured. A simple thing could be over or underpronating feet - which makes certain injuries more common. Someone with "normal" feet saying just pull yourself together and make an effort won't understand. Some genetic traits will effectively wear out a body more quickly.
It's not rubbish, you'r missing the point. The inference from Gerrard was that Sturridge would get over injuries but then run off to the physios/medics as soon as he felt anything, even if it was nothing. He'd only feel like playing when he felt no pain or twinges at all. And the reality is, most players play with twinges and aches - its a normal part of footy. That's not denigrating his genuine injuries.

Pommy

14,252 posts

216 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Flip Martian said:
NRS said:
That's rubbish though. There's a massive difference between going through a bit of pain to keep fitness up say, and having a body that fails and results in multiple injuries. Some people are more susceptible to certain types of injury. If it's just about running through the pain then anyone could be an elite athlete if they just tried hard enough, In reality some bodies are genetically better at sports than others. Some are better at sports in performance, but always get injured due to genetic stuff that makes them more likely to be injured. A simple thing could be over or underpronating feet - which makes certain injuries more common. Someone with "normal" feet saying just pull yourself together and make an effort won't understand. Some genetic traits will effectively wear out a body more quickly.
It's not rubbish, you'r missing the point. The inference from Gerrard was that Sturridge would get over injuries but then run off to the physios/medics as soon as he felt anything, even if it was nothing. He'd only feel like playing when he felt no pain or twinges at all. And the reality is, most players play with twinges and aches - its a normal part of footy. That's not denigrating his genuine injuries.
Klopp kinda took the piss about Sturridges lack of pain threshold...

NRS

22,163 posts

201 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Flip Martian said:
It's not rubbish, you'r missing the point. The inference from Gerrard was that Sturridge would get over injuries but then run off to the physios/medics as soon as he felt anything, even if it was nothing. He'd only feel like playing when he felt no pain or twinges at all. And the reality is, most players play with twinges and aches - its a normal part of footy. That's not denigrating his genuine injuries.
But it's missing the point that if you have an issue with your body then a small pain might very well be the only indication your body is about to fail yet again. Judging by the number of times he got re-injured shortly after it seemed something is wrong with his body. Whereas if your body is working fine you can just run through that pain and be fine. As I've said, until I screwed up an ankle ligament and have seen what it's like then I just thought others were moaning about nothing when they were avoiding further injuries/ got injured easily again ("ah, just moaning to get attention").
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