The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 15]

The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 15]

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Flip Martian

11,436 posts

135 months

Tuesday 19th March
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jammy-git said:
BrabusMog said:
To believe that requires you to take him completely at face value.
Absolutely, but as has been said, it eerily echoes what Gerrard has said about his time at the club during the H&G era too.

Talking of previous strikers wanting to leave (and Gerrard), I saw these quotes from Suarez a few days ago:
Suarez said:
"I'm about to go to Arsenal, forcing myself to go, and Steven tells me 'I promise that if you stay this year you're going to take off and next year you'll go to Bayern, Barcelona, Real Madrid or whichever one you want, but stay this year because you won't be better off at Arsenal'."

"This was the last conversation I had with Gerrard at that moment and I told my agent that I had made my decision and I was staying.

"His words convinced me in that moment. They came from a person who cared for me, who wanted my well-being, who saw me suffer during training and saw me sad.

"They were words from a true captain that had an impact in that moment and helped me a lot."
Gerrard tried to persuade Torres to stay too, when the Chelsea offer came in and Torres was in 2 minds. But obviously we were in a better place when it came to persuading Suarez...

ChocolateFrog

5,669 posts

118 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Interesting reading.

Torres was half the player when he left.

Flip Martian

11,436 posts

135 months

Tuesday 19th March
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ChocolateFrog said:
Interesting reading.

Torres was half the player when he left.
We got the best of him I think, after he left Athletico. Dalglish said in his last book that he felt Torres before he left had fallen out of love with the game a bit and really needed to take a year off (which you can't do of course).

Simon Hughes has done 3 books of interviews with selected Liverpool players - broadly covering the 80s, 90s and 00's. All really good reads. Somewhat bizarrely he also played county cricket for Middlesex for 12 seasons. Books are well recommended anyway.

ferrisbueller

23,400 posts

172 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Different Simon Hughes I think.

desolate

18,993 posts

173 months

Tuesday 19th March
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ferrisbueller said:
Different Simon Hughes I think.
I think it's the same one - he is a pretty accomplished journalist. His early cricket books are excellent.

Flip Martian

11,436 posts

135 months

Tuesday 19th March
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desolate said:
ferrisbueller said:
Different Simon Hughes I think.
I think it's the same one - he is a pretty accomplished journalist. His early cricket books are excellent.
Yeah, it is the same one - easy enough to look him up online. Not really a cricket fan but his footy books are excellent so I can imagine his cricket books must be decent too. He also wrote a book about Geoff Twentyman "secret diary of a Liverpool scout" which is well worth reading.

ferrisbueller

23,400 posts

172 months

Tuesday 19th March
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There are two different Simon Hughes.

Liverpool Journo/Author.


Cricketer, Author, Journo and Radio/TV presenter.

desolate

18,993 posts

173 months

Tuesday 19th March
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ferrisbueller said:
There are two different Simon Hughes.
Looks like Penguin have it wrong then!!

https://www.penguin.co.uk/authors/1072701/simon-hu...

ferrisbueller

23,400 posts

172 months

Tuesday 19th March
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desolate said:
ferrisbueller said:
There are two different Simon Hughes.
Looks like Penguin have it wrong then!!

https://www.penguin.co.uk/authors/1072701/simon-hu...
By omitting the fact he wrote books about Liverpool?

Or maybe you're wrong?

Here's the cricketer Simon Hughes' bibliography:

From Minor to Major (1992), Hodder & Stoughton (Teach Yourself), "the story of Durham's first first-class season from the inside", ISBN 978-0340582343
A Lot of Hard Yakka (1997), Headline Book Publishing, ISBN 978-0747255161
Yakking Around the World: A Cricketer's Quest for Love and Utopia (2001), Pocket Books, ISBN 978-0671773823
Jargonbusting, (2002), Channel 4 Books, ISBN 978-0752265087
Morning Everyone: An Ashes Odyssey
And God Created Cricket
Cricket's Greatest Rivalry: A History of the Ashes in 10 Matches (2013), Cassell Illustrated, ISBN 978-1844037438
Who Wants to be a Batsman? (2015)

ETA.

And here is the other Simon Hughes' Amazon page: Linky

Edited by ferrisbueller on Tuesday 19th March 23:08

desolate

18,993 posts

173 months

Tuesday 19th March
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ferrisbueller said:
By omitting the fact he wrote books about Liverpool?

Or maybe you're wrong?
I am wrong - the point is I got my info from the Penguin website and if you click "books" on the link I provided it links the cricket Simon Hughes the one of the Liverpool books.

https://www.penguin.co.uk/authors/1072701/simon-hu...

So there really isn't any need to be so fking chippy, Ferris. I'm a scouser who has lived in Manchester for 40 years so I can out chip anyone if needs be.

ferrisbueller

23,400 posts

172 months

Tuesday 19th March
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desolate said:
Looks like Penguin have it wrong then!!

desolate

18,993 posts

173 months

Tuesday 19th March
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ferrisbueller said:
desolate said:
Looks like Penguin have it wrong then!!
fking hell.
The do have it wrong, it's where I got my information from. It's the reason I was wrong.


Cbull

4,299 posts

116 months

Wednesday 20th March
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Thanks Flip. Sounds like he just wanted to try somewhere else, particularly whilst the club were in transition. He may not have felt the from upstairs but he definitely had it from the fans, which is where it should have mattered most.

The money recieved was great, softened the blow but it almost didn't mean much after buying Andy for a very strange £35m.

Can't say I wasn't glad to see him go after his extremely poor couple of years afterwards. Guess that's a good example of a player playing excellent only with a particular style of play.

NRS

14,824 posts

146 months

Wednesday 20th March
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ferrisbueller said:
desolate said:
Looks like Penguin have it wrong then!!
desolate said:
I am wrong
Come on flip, no need for that. It's not like anyone on here has ever been wrong before. A reputable publisher lists name in same place then it's understandable the confusion. You pointed it out, desolate said he was wrong.

wjb

4,376 posts

76 months

Wednesday 20th March
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Isn't international week great?

NRS

14,824 posts

146 months

Wednesday 20th March
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wjb said:
Isn't international week great?
I could post a pic of my breakfast if it helps?

Should the new thread be called 'Liverpool... future champions of England' do you think?

Flip Martian

11,436 posts

135 months

Wednesday 20th March
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ferrisbueller said:
There are two different Simon Hughes.

Liverpool Journo/Author.


Cricketer, Author, Journo and Radio/TV presenter.
That makes more sense, definitely. And the info I saw on line was definitely wrong too then! Haha. Nice bit of detective work, Clouseau.

Flip Martian

11,436 posts

135 months

Wednesday 20th March
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NRS said:
ferrisbueller said:
desolate said:
Looks like Penguin have it wrong then!!
desolate said:
I am wrong
Come on flip, no need for that. It's not like anyone on here has ever been wrong before. A reputable publisher lists name in same place then it's understandable the confusion. You pointed it out, desolate said he was wrong.
Oi, why have you called me out on this, I was asleep! lol

Flip Martian

11,436 posts

135 months

Wednesday 20th March
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Cbull said:
Thanks Flip. Sounds like he just wanted to try somewhere else, particularly whilst the club were in transition. He may not have felt the from upstairs but he definitely had it from the fans, which is where it should have mattered most.

The money recieved was great, softened the blow but it almost didn't mean much after buying Andy for a very strange £35m.

Can't say I wasn't glad to see him go after his extremely poor couple of years afterwards. Guess that's a good example of a player playing excellent only with a particular style of play.
I kinda agree on the fans thing - but its hard when you work for a place where you think the people you deal with day to day see you as a commodity only. Some sympathy with that but ultimately, players are just players. Torres does seem to need a bit of "arm around the shoulder" stuff like so many footballers do.

I think Torres had already faded a bit for us - his head was elsewhere clearly as his performances were no longer the same. That seems to have carried on after he left, whether that was down to different styles of play or just him not really feeling it anymore, who knows (Dalglish seemed to think the latter).

ferrisbueller

23,400 posts

172 months

Wednesday 20th March
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desolate said:
ferrisbueller said:
desolate said:
Looks like Penguin have it wrong then!!
fking hell.
The do have it wrong, it's where I got my information from. It's the reason I was wrong.
Sorry, there was meant to be an emoji there.

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