The Manchester City (quadruple winners) thread (Vol 2)

The Manchester City (quadruple winners) thread (Vol 2)

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franki68

8,185 posts

185 months

Monday 22nd February
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Leicester Loyal said:
It's never gonna happen overnight though is it? Once the youth set up is sorted it's basically a fresh start and they go again from there, which will probably take 15 years. Revisit the question in 7 or 8 years and if they've still only produced one first teamer then I'll agree with you.
They have been at it 13 years ,what overnight are you talking about ? They invested hugely and stole all the best talents (buying the parents houses,sending the kids offspring to private schools etc ) ,and in 13 years they have produced 1 player.

And btw with regards to my earlier posts about what will happen long term because of city and psg ,have a read of miguel delaneys article in todays Independent about the consequences of having city and psg run by states.Don't know about you but I see very healthy clubs going to the wall trying to keep up with something that is impossible to compete with and a european super league which will effectively be 2 teams .
But then again obviously it's just sour grapes and not a realistic concern.


stuartmmcfc

8,004 posts

156 months

Monday 22nd February
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franki68 said:
They have been at it 13 years ,what overnight are you talking about ? They invested hugely and stole all the best talents (buying the parents houses,sending the kids offspring to private schools etc ) ,and in 13 years they have produced 1 player.

And btw with regards to my earlier posts about what will happen long term because of city and psg ,have a read of miguel delaneys article in todays Independent about the consequences of having city and psg run by states.Don't know about you but I see very healthy clubs going to the wall trying to keep up with something that is impossible to compete with and a european super league which will effectively be 2 teams .
But then again obviously it's just sour grapes and not a realistic concern.
Yep sour grapes because the “attracting” of young talent is no different towhat Utd have done over many years. What do hope to achieve from your posts here? LL seems to have a sensible head while yours always seems ready to explode!

franki68

8,185 posts

185 months

Monday 22nd February
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stuartmmcfc said:
Yep sour grapes because the “attracting” of young talent is no different towhat Utd have done over many years. What do hope to achieve from your posts here? LL seems to have a sensible head while yours always seems ready to explode!
Explode ,no I genuinely don’t feel anything about city ,it’s vacuous ,my entire family aside from a few of us are blues and my best mates are blues ,I’d rather see city do well than the scousers or some of the London teams .
I was hoping for a degree of intelligent discussion because I think it looks pretty worrying where football is heading .
Obviously that can’t be found here ,no problem .

jammy-git

26,606 posts

176 months

Monday 22nd February
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Mariosbt said:
jammy-git said:
How many appearances have any of them had in the league?
5 youth players not including Foden, have played for the 1st team recently. What about LFC..... Trent A. Arnold?
You mean some throw away piss easy game against lower division opponents in the milk cup? That's not playing for the 1st team, that's playing instead of the 1st team. As I say, it doesn't look like any of your youth products, other than Foden, have played in the league, where it matters.

We've had:
Trent
Curtis
Neco Williams
Kelleher
Rhys Williams
Nat Phillips

All play several league games for us this season. Admittedly that is because we've had such a massive injury list, but one thing you can't say about Klopp is that he doesn't give youth a chance in the first team.

franki68

8,185 posts

185 months

Monday 22nd February
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jammy-git said:
You mean some throw away piss easy game against lower division opponents in the milk cup? That's not playing for the 1st team, that's playing instead of the 1st team. As I say, it doesn't look like any of your youth products, other than Foden, have played in the league, where it matters.

We've had:
Trent
Curtis
Neco Williams
Kelleher
Rhys Williams
Nat Phillips

All play several league games for us this season. Admittedly that is because we've had such a massive injury list, but one thing you can't say about Klopp is that he doesn't give youth a chance in the first team.
Don’t waste time,they are all variations of Mike 74

uk66fastback

14,996 posts

235 months

Monday 22nd February
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franki68 said:
stuartmmcfc said:
Yep sour grapes because the “attracting” of young talent is no different towhat Utd have done over many years. What do hope to achieve from your posts here? LL seems to have a sensible head while yours always seems ready to explode!
Explode ,no I genuinely don’t feel anything about city ,it’s vacuous ,my entire family aside from a few of us are blues and my best mates are blues ,I’d rather see city do well than the scousers or some of the London teams .
I was hoping for a degree of intelligent discussion because I think it looks pretty worrying where football is heading .
Obviously that can’t be found here ,no problem .
On the contrary, I think you’ve had just that, and LL summed it up pretty well. They were saying the game was over as a contest when you guys were winning everything. Now you’re not winning much, the kind of thing that naturally happens in cycles, albeit a 25-year one, you don’t like it and go back to the non-playing of the youth thing as argument why Citeh win stuff. Utd got lucky with the class of whatever it was and that served them for a decade or more. But you don’t let it drop ...

You’re getting a counter-argument to your points but do you know what, it actually is sour grapes. When Citeh were eighth or whatever and you were even lower, you couldn’t give a toss. But they’ve got their st together, as you guys look to have done to some extent. But you still ain’t winning the League by the looks of it. Suck it up, ffs, and try and empathise with what fans of the other 91 clubs went through when you were winning the Prem ever other year seemingly, and reminding everyone ever since.

stuartmmcfc

8,004 posts

156 months

Monday 22nd February
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franki68 said:
stuartmmcfc said:
Yep sour grapes because the “attracting” of young talent is no different towhat Utd have done over many years. What do hope to achieve from your posts here? LL seems to have a sensible head while yours always seems ready to explode!
Explode ,no I genuinely don’t feel anything about city ,it’s vacuous ,my entire family aside from a few of us are blues and my best mates are blues ,I’d rather see city do well than the scousers or some of the London teams .
I was hoping for a degree of intelligent discussion because I think it looks pretty worrying where football is heading .
Obviously that can’t be found here ,no problem .
And yet you keep coming back.
You’re the sort who can’t have an intelligent conversation about football because you’re to blinkered by your tribal mentality and sour grapes.




Edited by stuartmmcfc on Monday 22 February 13:31

franki68

8,185 posts

185 months

Monday 22nd February
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uk66fastback said:
On the contrary, I think you’ve had just that, and LL summed it up pretty well. They were saying the game was over as a contest when you guys were winning everything. Now you’re not winning much, the kind of thing that naturally happens in cycles, albeit a 25-year one, you don’t like it and go back to the non-playing of the youth thing as argument why Citeh win stuff. Utd got lucky with the class of whatever it was and that served them for a decade or more. But you don’t let it drop ...

You’re getting a counter-argument to your points but do you know what, it actually is sour grapes. When Citeh were eighth or whatever and you were even lower, you couldn’t give a toss. But they’ve got their st together, as you guys look to have done to some extent. But you still ain’t winning the League by the looks of it. Suck it up, ffs, and try and empathise with what fans of the other 91 clubs went through when you were winning the Prem ever other year seemingly, and reminding everyone ever since.
Firstly I only mentioned the youth as it was brought up elsewhere by someone else and What counter point has been made to my argument ? You are all mistakenly assuming things.

Give me a convincing argument that the predictability of what will happen to football over the next 10,20,30 years is wrong ?
Do think loads of clubs won't got to the wall ? Do you think we won't get a european super league as the 'big teams ' struggle to compete with the state funded teams ? What do you think will happen to english football when United,liverpool,city etc leave for a super league ?
Do all the articles that have mentioned this type of stuff... are they all sour grapes by United fans ?




franki68

8,185 posts

185 months

Monday 22nd February
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stuartmmcfc said:
And yet you keep coming back.
You’re the sort who can’t have an intelligent conversation about football because you’re to blinkered by your tribal mentality and sour grapes.




Edited by stuartmmcfc on Monday 22 February 13:31
Well it's quiet and I need a laugh.

stuartmmcfc

8,004 posts

156 months

Monday 22nd February
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jammy-git said:
You mean some throw away piss easy game against lower division opponents in the milk cup? That's not playing for the 1st team, that's playing instead of the 1st team. As I say, it doesn't look like any of your youth products, other than Foden, have played in the league, where it matters.

We've had:
Trent
Curtis
Neco Williams
Kelleher
Rhys Williams
Nat Phillips

All play several league games for us this season. Admittedly that is because we've had such a massive injury list, but one thing you can't say about Klopp is that he doesn't give youth a chance in the first team.
It might be simply be that we haven’t produced anyone of sufficient quality yet? Plenty of young players have gone on to have careers at lower league clubs. In time I expect this to change.
Pep wants to win every game he plays and so never puts out a weak side tbh and so, I agree, at the moment you have to wait for your chance - and a lot of youngsters don’t have the patience.

It does seem to me though that “City’s youth policy” is this weeks stick to beat us with.
It’ll be something else soon, and it’ll be welded by the usual suspect of rival fans.


Edited by stuartmmcfc on Monday 22 February 13:44

uk66fastback

14,996 posts

235 months

Monday 22nd February
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franki68 said:
uk66fastback said:
On the contrary, I think you’ve had just that, and LL summed it up pretty well. They were saying the game was over as a contest when you guys were winning everything. Now you’re not winning much, the kind of thing that naturally happens in cycles, albeit a 25-year one, you don’t like it and go back to the non-playing of the youth thing as argument why Citeh win stuff. Utd got lucky with the class of whatever it was and that served them for a decade or more. But you don’t let it drop ...

You’re getting a counter-argument to your points but do you know what, it actually is sour grapes. When Citeh were eighth or whatever and you were even lower, you couldn’t give a toss. But they’ve got their st together, as you guys look to have done to some extent. But you still ain’t winning the League by the looks of it. Suck it up, ffs, and try and empathise with what fans of the other 91 clubs went through when you were winning the Prem ever other year seemingly, and reminding everyone ever since.
Firstly I only mentioned the youth as it was brought up elsewhere by someone else and What counter point has been made to my argument ? You are all mistakenly assuming things.

Give me a convincing argument that the predictability of what will happen to football over the next 10,20,30 years is wrong ?
Do think loads of clubs won't got to the wall ? Do you think we won't get a european super league as the 'big teams ' struggle to compete with the state funded teams ? What do you think will happen to english football when United,liverpool,city etc leave for a super league ?
Do all the articles that have mentioned this type of stuff... are they all sour grapes by United fans ?
If you want an honest discussion and exchange of views from lots of fans, go start a new thread and ask the question, the Citeh thread is not the place to have it. There’ll be lots of input and a fair few predictions I would say.

Leicester Loyal

3,025 posts

86 months

Monday 22nd February
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franki68 said:
Leicester Loyal said:
It's never gonna happen overnight though is it? Once the youth set up is sorted it's basically a fresh start and they go again from there, which will probably take 15 years. Revisit the question in 7 or 8 years and if they've still only produced one first teamer then I'll agree with you.
They have been at it 13 years ,what overnight are you talking about ? They invested hugely and stole all the best talents (buying the parents houses,sending the kids offspring to private schools etc ) ,and in 13 years they have produced 1 player.

And btw with regards to my earlier posts about what will happen long term because of city and psg ,have a read of miguel delaneys article in todays Independent about the consequences of having city and psg run by states.Don't know about you but I see very healthy clubs going to the wall trying to keep up with something that is impossible to compete with and a european super league which will effectively be 2 teams .
But then again obviously it's just sour grapes and not a realistic concern.
It takes generations to turn a st academy into one where the young talents want to go. What world class youth talent in 2008 thought oh yeah I'll sign for City rather than United or Arsenal? Ask a 7 year old (or their parents) the same question now and they might have a different answer.

If they're not being punished by UEFA for breaking FFP (which I do believe they both are), then what can you do about it? You've been outspending teams for years and I guess you've never had a problem with it? Again, the only fair way of doing it for everyone is to have a salary cap. The gap in wealth between certain teams vs. others which you now feel about City and PSG is how 88 or 89 football clubs have felt about United for years.

This is a Man City thread so I'll leave it there, you'll obviously never agree with what I'm saying, nor me with you.

Leicester Loyal

3,025 posts

86 months

Monday 22nd February
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franki68 said:
Firstly I only mentioned the youth as it was brought up elsewhere by someone else and What counter point has been made to my argument ? You are all mistakenly assuming things.

Give me a convincing argument that the predictability of what will happen to football over the next 10,20,30 years is wrong ?
Do think loads of clubs won't got to the wall ? Do you think we won't get a european super league as the 'big teams ' struggle to compete with the state funded teams ? What do you think will happen to english football when United,liverpool,city etc leave for a super league ?
Do all the articles that have mentioned this type of stuff... are they all sour grapes by United fans ?
Regarding the super league, do you think most teams care? Genuinely ask any WHU, Burnley, Everton or Leicester fan, most of us couldn't give a st if Liverpool or United go into a super league and leave us to fight for the title ourselves. Most of the match going fans don't give a toss about trophies (as in we expect to not win any), attendances, wages or anything like that, we go because it's our club and for the day out, it doesn't matter who we're playing.

stuartmmcfc

8,004 posts

156 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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While not agreeing 100% with LL he does talk a lot of realistic sense.

Fast Bug

9,269 posts

125 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Leicester Loyal said:
franki68 said:
Firstly I only mentioned the youth as it was brought up elsewhere by someone else and What counter point has been made to my argument ? You are all mistakenly assuming things.

Give me a convincing argument that the predictability of what will happen to football over the next 10,20,30 years is wrong ?
Do think loads of clubs won't got to the wall ? Do you think we won't get a european super league as the 'big teams ' struggle to compete with the state funded teams ? What do you think will happen to english football when United,liverpool,city etc leave for a super league ?
Do all the articles that have mentioned this type of stuff... are they all sour grapes by United fans ?
Regarding the super league, do you think most teams care? Genuinely ask any WHU, Burnley, Everton or Leicester fan, most of us couldn't give a st if Liverpool or United go into a super league and leave us to fight for the title ourselves. Most of the match going fans don't give a toss about trophies (as in we expect to not win any), attendances, wages or anything like that, we go because it's our club and for the day out, it doesn't matter who we're playing.
I've often wondered who would go in to a European Super League? 2 teams in Spain? 2 maybe 3 from Italy, 2 from Germany, 1 from France and 2 or 4 from England. Would you pop Celtic in there? I mean they're a big club, but they would be scrapping at the bottom of the PL if they were in it. What about Portuguese clubs? You'll have the same 14 or so teams playing each other all the time which sounds dull to me.

And who goes in to it from England? United who have been poor for a good few years? Arsenal who are in the bottom half of the league? A hit and miss Chelsea? Liverpool who until the last few seasons haven't been great?

The idea has been kicked round for many years by the so called "bigger" clubs who want to pull the drawbridge up and create a closed shop. Funnily enough a lot of the clubs whose fans don't like it when another club comes along and knocks them off their pearch and starts out spending them and winning things...

epom

7,645 posts

125 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Why 4 from England ?

Fast Bug

9,269 posts

125 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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epom said:
Why 4 from England ?
2 or 4. I'm just throwing some suggestions out there from the earlier conversation smile

Wadeski

6,858 posts

177 months

Wednesday 24th February
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Watching today's UCL games...I have gotta say Man City v Bayern would be a hell of a game right now.

Driver101

9,485 posts

85 months

Thursday 25th February
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Wadeski said:
Watching today's UCL games...I have gotta say Man City v Bayern would be a hell of a game right now.
The two teams that are standing head and shoulders above everyone at the moment.

I did expect more from the Germans last night. Man City did play well and effort levels were very high, but they looked off the pace.

cliffe_mafia

1,238 posts

202 months

Thursday 25th February
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Wadeski said:
Watching today's UCL games...I have gotta say Man City v Bayern would be a hell of a game right now.
If we are to win it we'll definitely have to beat them - hopefully in the final smile