The Manchester City (quadruple winners) thread (Vol 2)

The Manchester City (quadruple winners) thread (Vol 2)

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BadBull

1,581 posts

36 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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stuartmmcfc said:
You started off making good points but now you’re flouncing??
Not flouncing.

City have assembled perhaps the strongest squad football has ever seen, but he thinks Liverpool's is of the same standard.

It's plainly not the case, so what's the point of talking to him if he can't grasp something so obvious?

Your original post that started all this was interesting and while I posted my thoughts, they were obviously from an LFC fans perspective, which seems to have upset some people (not you) but I can't speak for city fans, can I?

It's been an astonishing season for both our clubs.

berlintaxi

8,477 posts

137 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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BadBull said:
Not flouncing.

City have assembled perhaps the strongest squad football has ever seen, but he thinks Liverpool's is of the same standard.

It's plainly not the case, so what's the point of talking to him if he can't grasp something so obvious?

Your original post that started all this was interesting and while I posted my thoughts, they were obviously from an LFC fans perspective, which seems to have upset some people (not you) but I can't speak for city fans, can I?

It's been an astonishing season for both our clubs.
You made some ridiculous comment about how much Liverpool players love the club, whilst implying City players were a bunch of mercenaries, the difference between both squads is inches rather than feet and has involved Klopp spending huge sums of money so to try and dress it up as Liverpool are somehow the only club with heart and passion is nonsense,City's goal on Monday was scored by a player who joined the club 11 years ago whilst we also had on the pitch an 18 year old from 5 miles up the road.

Both clubs have had amazing seasons and all credit to Liverpool for the performance last night but to try to use it to deride other clubs is puerile.

TaylotS2K

1,964 posts

171 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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berlintaxi said:
BadBull said:
If you think the squads are even, you are just showing your ignorance.

No point talking to someone so blind.

Pop over to Blue Moon, you'll fit in there perfectly. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Typical Liverpool fan, look at us we spent almost nothing ( £177m last summer, but they all love Liverpool)and aren't we fantastic, the only one showing ignorance is you, just for your information the reason the title race is down to the final day is because your oh so devoted manager and team couldn't hold onto the lead.......some commitment.rolleyes
I'm no fan of this plucky Liverpool attitude. They've spent the most money with the least success in the PL era.

BrabusMog

17,502 posts

150 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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berlintaxi said:
BadBull said:
Not flouncing.

City have assembled perhaps the strongest squad football has ever seen, but he thinks Liverpool's is of the same standard.

It's plainly not the case, so what's the point of talking to him if he can't grasp something so obvious?

Your original post that started all this was interesting and while I posted my thoughts, they were obviously from an LFC fans perspective, which seems to have upset some people (not you) but I can't speak for city fans, can I?

It's been an astonishing season for both our clubs.
You made some ridiculous comment about how much Liverpool players love the club, whilst implying City players were a bunch of mercenaries, the difference between both squads is inches rather than feet and has involved Klopp spending huge sums of money so to try and dress it up as Liverpool are somehow the only club with heart and passion is nonsense,City's goal on Monday was scored by a player who joined the club 11 years ago whilst we also had on the pitch an 18 year old from 5 miles up the road.

Both clubs have had amazing seasons and all credit to Liverpool for the performance last night but to try to use it to deride other clubs is puerile.
yes it's "fans" like him that give Liverpool their reputation amongst other teams.

smartypants

49,098 posts

133 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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BadBull said:
Not to extent Liverpool have, no.

We've shown it time and time again that we can compete with a vastly inferior squad to City.

There's a reason the season is going down to the final day and we are in back to back CL finals.
Jordan Pickford, Hugo Lloris and Speroni, to name but a few biggrin


BadBull

1,581 posts

36 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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smartypants said:
BadBull said:
Not to extent Liverpool have, no.

We've shown it time and time again that we can compete with a vastly inferior squad to City.

There's a reason the season is going down to the final day and we are in back to back CL finals.
Jordan Pickford, Hugo Lloris and Speroni, to name but a few biggrin
Ha! Yeah, I'll give you that one!

Adam B

20,508 posts

218 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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Shame the usual culprits turn an interesting discussion into an argument, you expect it of some but not others.

To say Liverpool's squad is "vastly inferior" is a bit daft. It is certainly inferior to City's but the best 15 (i.e. those who play regularly) are pretty close, and its the other 8 where City have much better consistent quality. You can handle injuries better and bring on like for like easier, as they have quality throughout the 23 man squad with no really weak links.

To say Liverpool players have a deeper love for the club is lazy. You can see the players who really do seem to be loyal and passionate (Kompany, Aguero, Silva, Milner, TAA, Robertson, VVD, Hendo) but we have no idea if Sane goes to bed with a City scarf on or Mane cuddles a Klopp teddy.

Given City's limited past glories and sudden influx of "new money" I think people like to assume all your players are mercenaries only there for the cash - a lazy assumption.

Edited by Adam B on Wednesday 8th May 10:37

smartypants

49,098 posts

133 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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BadBull said:
Ha! Yeah, I'll give you that one!
hehe

(can't account for the CL though, Liverpool have been awesome, like they somehow manage to be most of the time! They love a European comp).


85Carrera

2,623 posts

201 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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smartypants said:
Jordan Pickford, Hugo Lloris and Speroni, to name but a few biggrin
And Riyad Bloody Mahrez ...

smartypants

49,098 posts

133 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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85Carrera said:
And Riyad Bloody Mahrez ...
Oh yeah that penalty. Has it come down from orbit yet?

franki68

8,181 posts

185 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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stuartmmcfc said:
That’s a good argument from NRS but it doesn’t explain why City have gone out to EPL sides who, at the time, City were the stronger side.
Are we taking on to much even with a big strong squad?
No,united won the treble with a smaller squad and playing harder games in Europe (look at the group stages ) as well as beating arsenal Chelsea and Liverpool on the way to the fa cup final .
You have had very easy draws in all your cup games ,which your squad have dealt with in all but one game .

NRS

17,056 posts

165 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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stuartmmcfc said:
That’s a good argument from NRS but it doesn’t explain why City have gone out to EPL sides who, at the time, City were the stronger side.
Are we taking on to much even with a big strong squad?
I'd say it is the same argument. You went out to us and Tottenham. For all the joking on here both of us are very good teams (as shown by being in CL semi/final), and set up to beat you as outlined in the original post. Tottenham beat you (simplifying it!) with long balls over the top and hitting you fast on the break. Their defence was pretty dodgy, but approximately the same level as yours. Very close game and you could easily have gone through. And for going out to us - the results of recent games between us show that we are very closely matched when playing each other, so not very surprising that you win some and lose others. We generally defend more and hit you on the break quickly. Main thing separating us is who takes the chances on the day. It just so happened to be that day it was us.

Btw - the passion thing. It's not a big thing IMO, but I suspect there is a tiny difference for some players. You saw it yesterday - we wanted it more, and that gave a little extra energy to the players to keep going, be the first to the ball etc. But at this level a small difference can be important. Take Sturridge - he just doesn't have that pressing now, and so even though he's a natural scorer he doesn't add much. We went from being quite equal to being on the back foot once he appeared last night. Klopp has clearly got players that will give their absolute all, and it seems to be part of the reason for him buying players. You certainly have a lot of players who are the same (Aguero, Kompany etc). Is pretty much the whole squad in the never say die attitude? Certainly most are, but perhaps harder to see as you dominate the ball so much so there is no need for your players to press so hard like we have to do sometimes. So it looks far more relaxed and perhaps less energetic/passionate.

Edited by NRS on Wednesday 8th May 13:37

TaylotS2K

1,964 posts

171 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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If VAR had been in use for the City v Liverpool game in the UCL last season, wouldn't City have gone through? Wasn't Salah offside in the 1st leg and I'm sure City got a perfectly good goal chalked off....at the Etihad. So last season's exit for City came down to bad officiating rather than there being something fundamentally wrong with the way they approach the UCL...This season a penalty kick cost them at Spurs. Fine margins.

franki68

8,181 posts

185 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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TaylotS2K said:
If VAR had been in use for the City v Liverpool game in the UCL last season, wouldn't City have gone through? Wasn't Salah offside in the 1st leg and I'm sure City got a perfectly good goal chalked off....at the Etihad. So last season's exit for City came down to bad officiating rather than there being something fundamentally wrong with the way they approach the UCL...This season a penalty kick cost them at Spurs. Fine margins.
City also had a goal allowed which should not have been (foul in the build up) but over the 2 games Liverpool were worthy winners and trust me I do not like saying that.

BadBull

1,581 posts

36 months

Thursday 9th May 2019
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TaylotS2K said:
If VAR had been in use for the City v Liverpool game in the UCL last season, wouldn't City have gone through?
rofl

Nice little theory.

It was 5-1 on aggregate!!

stuartmmcfc

7,998 posts

156 months

Thursday 9th May 2019
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A bit like the 3-0 first Barca match, the score doesn’t tell the whole story.
If correct decisions had been made at crucial times then the score may have been somewhat different don’t you think?

NRS

17,056 posts

165 months

Thursday 9th May 2019
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No.

stuartmmcfc

7,998 posts

156 months

Thursday 9th May 2019
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Obviously you wouldn’t smile

LoonyTunes

3,362 posts

39 months

Thursday 9th May 2019
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BrabusMog said:
berlintaxi said:
BadBull said:
Not flouncing.

City have assembled perhaps the strongest squad football has ever seen, but he thinks Liverpool's is of the same standard.

It's plainly not the case, so what's the point of talking to him if he can't grasp something so obvious?

Your original post that started all this was interesting and while I posted my thoughts, they were obviously from an LFC fans perspective, which seems to have upset some people (not you) but I can't speak for city fans, can I?

It's been an astonishing season for both our clubs.
You made some ridiculous comment about how much Liverpool players love the club, whilst implying City players were a bunch of mercenaries, the difference between both squads is inches rather than feet and has involved Klopp spending huge sums of money so to try and dress it up as Liverpool are somehow the only club with heart and passion is nonsense,City's goal on Monday was scored by a player who joined the club 11 years ago whilst we also had on the pitch an 18 year old from 5 miles up the road.

Both clubs have had amazing seasons and all credit to Liverpool for the performance last night but to try to use it to deride other clubs is puerile.
yes it's "fans" like him that give Liverpool their reputation amongst other teams.
This ^^^

I'd bet good money most neutrals will want Spurs to win the ECL if only to shut up the mouthy scousers yes

stuartmmcfc

7,998 posts

156 months

Thursday 9th May 2019
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I don’t care, it’s a Micky mouse cup after all wink