The Official Arsenal - 14 x Cup Winners Thread (Vol 5)
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RacingPete said:
I'm in two minds about last nights game, so help me out fellow Gooners.
Having watched the Leeds Liverpool game, their strategy was no fear and go at them - rewarded with three goals and possibly could have snuck 1 or 3 points, it was refreshing to watch - but was it a naive strategy, could they have actually been done for 6 if Liverpool had been more on song?
Arsenal, last night, went for the disciplined sit back approach - not as exciting to watch, but was it a better strategy, especially as we usually go for the Leeds approach, all guns blazing and then get stuffed. I really can't decide if I like the park the bus and hit on the counter, or just go for it?
You could argue that Arsenal was more disciplined, stuck in the game and could have come away with 1 point and that Liverpool (after two straight defeats to us) upped their game and absolutely smothered us!
We know all guns blazing doesn’t work as it exposes our limited defence too much. Arteta seems to be focussing on setting discipline amongst our defence and has been since he took over and we have seen the improvements we’ve needed since well into the later days of wengers reign. Having watched the Leeds Liverpool game, their strategy was no fear and go at them - rewarded with three goals and possibly could have snuck 1 or 3 points, it was refreshing to watch - but was it a naive strategy, could they have actually been done for 6 if Liverpool had been more on song?
Arsenal, last night, went for the disciplined sit back approach - not as exciting to watch, but was it a better strategy, especially as we usually go for the Leeds approach, all guns blazing and then get stuffed. I really can't decide if I like the park the bus and hit on the counter, or just go for it?
You could argue that Arsenal was more disciplined, stuck in the game and could have come away with 1 point and that Liverpool (after two straight defeats to us) upped their game and absolutely smothered us!
We’ve got the talented forwards required to compete for top 4 again we just need to set on creating the link between our improving defence and our solid defence via our midfield. A player of the viera mould is what we need so we’ll see how the end of the transfer window plays out
RacingPete said:
I'm in two minds about last nights game, so help me out fellow Gooners.
Having watched the Leeds Liverpool game, their strategy was no fear and go at them - rewarded with three goals and possibly could have snuck 1 or 3 points, it was refreshing to watch - but was it a naive strategy, could they have actually been done for 6 if Liverpool had been more on song?
Arsenal, last night, went for the disciplined sit back approach - not as exciting to watch, but was it a better strategy, especially as we usually go for the Leeds approach, all guns blazing and then get stuffed. I really can't decide if I like the park the bus and hit on the counter, or just go for it?
You could argue that Arsenal was more disciplined, stuck in the game and could have come away with 1 point and that Liverpool (after two straight defeats to us) upped their game and absolutely smothered us!
FWIW I was more nervous last night watching the game than the Leeds game and we played much better against you. You did pretty well to hang in there for so long and a couple of seasons ago it would have been 5-1 or worse.Having watched the Leeds Liverpool game, their strategy was no fear and go at them - rewarded with three goals and possibly could have snuck 1 or 3 points, it was refreshing to watch - but was it a naive strategy, could they have actually been done for 6 if Liverpool had been more on song?
Arsenal, last night, went for the disciplined sit back approach - not as exciting to watch, but was it a better strategy, especially as we usually go for the Leeds approach, all guns blazing and then get stuffed. I really can't decide if I like the park the bus and hit on the counter, or just go for it?
You could argue that Arsenal was more disciplined, stuck in the game and could have come away with 1 point and that Liverpool (after two straight defeats to us) upped their game and absolutely smothered us!
Look at the stats for the Leeds game, they were fantastic to watch and I admire their style but it was 22 shots to 6, and they scored with all their only 3 shots on target.
good luck for rest of the season, I really like Arteta but feel he needs to settle on a line up and formation, and stop this nonsense playing from the back against the better teams you will be in the mix for top 4
Liverpool were superb last night and looked like a team that’s been incredibly well coached over a long period which is what they are. Personally I love what Arteta is trying to do and yes perhaps some variety playing out from the back might have been beneficial...I’d agree Ceballos should have started and it’s Xhaka I’d have dropped....yes he’s a good passer from the base of the team but he needs too much time on the ball and isn’t mobile enough.
Fingers crossed some of the rumoured arrivals happen and that some of the dead wood gets cut adrift. A rough fag packet calculation is that there’s £800k a week of wages going to players that are no longer required......
Fingers crossed some of the rumoured arrivals happen and that some of the dead wood gets cut adrift. A rough fag packet calculation is that there’s £800k a week of wages going to players that are no longer required......
Cheib said:
Liverpool were superb last night and looked like a team that’s been incredibly well coached over a long period which is what they are. Personally I love what Arteta is trying to do and yes perhaps some variety playing out from the back might have been beneficial...I’d agree Ceballos should have started and it’s Xhaka I’d have dropped....yes he’s a good passer from the base of the team but he needs too much time on the ball and isn’t mobile enough.
Fingers crossed some of the rumoured arrivals happen and that some of the dead wood gets cut adrift. A rough fag packet calculation is that there’s £800k a week of wages going to players that are no longer required......
Some decently convincing rumours that Kolasinac is off to Leverkusen imminently. If the 10 million fee is true then that is a decent bit of business, seeing as he was signed on a free and his stock is lower now than it was when he arrived. Fingers crossed some of the rumoured arrivals happen and that some of the dead wood gets cut adrift. A rough fag packet calculation is that there’s £800k a week of wages going to players that are no longer required......
I can't see too many more of the deadwood list being shifted. Torreira to Atletico looks like it has some substance to the rumours. Maybe Sokratis will go - he would be a pretty safe purchase for a club looking to strengthen at the back. Realistically, everyone else is staying.
If they can shift those and get in a midfielder then it means we've strengthened at the back, shifted some of the high earners who don't play, got the Auba extension, resigned Ceballos and got the the midfielder that we need. That really is about as good as could have been hoped for.
scrubchub said:
Cheib said:
Liverpool were superb last night and looked like a team that’s been incredibly well coached over a long period which is what they are. Personally I love what Arteta is trying to do and yes perhaps some variety playing out from the back might have been beneficial...I’d agree Ceballos should have started and it’s Xhaka I’d have dropped....yes he’s a good passer from the base of the team but he needs too much time on the ball and isn’t mobile enough.
Fingers crossed some of the rumoured arrivals happen and that some of the dead wood gets cut adrift. A rough fag packet calculation is that there’s £800k a week of wages going to players that are no longer required......
Some decently convincing rumours that Kolasinac is off to Leverkusen imminently. If the 10 million fee is true then that is a decent bit of business, seeing as he was signed on a free and his stock is lower now than it was when he arrived. Fingers crossed some of the rumoured arrivals happen and that some of the dead wood gets cut adrift. A rough fag packet calculation is that there’s £800k a week of wages going to players that are no longer required......
I can't see too many more of the deadwood list being shifted. Torreira to Atletico looks like it has some substance to the rumours. Maybe Sokratis will go - he would be a pretty safe purchase for a club looking to strengthen at the back. Realistically, everyone else is staying.
If they can shift those and get in a midfielder then it means we've strengthened at the back, shifted some of the high earners who don't play, got the Auba extension, resigned Ceballos and got the the midfielder that we need. That really is about as good as could have been hoped for.
IMHO Players like Torreira, Kante, Vieira were gold dust in the '95-2015 era - they are all out of fashion in these new wing-back, high-press systems.
In these systems Mane is the new Kante, that's why Kante might be on his way out of Chelsea, its because he is a square shape for a round hole in 2020. As sad as that is.
What we actually need is a Robert Pires who can provide 8 goals and 10 assists in the league alone from the centre of the park.
Torreira exit will be confirmed either today or tomorrow, i think Partey will come in opposite direction. Aouar does'nt look like it will happen now and we need to find an alternative.
Nobody really wants to sign Faildouzi or Ozil and i think the best hope for us is to either take a big loss to shift them (pay a termination fee) or, a loan deal where we pay a fair chunk of both their wages and we bring one player in.
Sokratis looks like he is off to the Italian league, that's been the best place for him since day 1, he is too slow for the Prem.
In these systems Mane is the new Kante, that's why Kante might be on his way out of Chelsea, its because he is a square shape for a round hole in 2020. As sad as that is.
What we actually need is a Robert Pires who can provide 8 goals and 10 assists in the league alone from the centre of the park.
Torreira exit will be confirmed either today or tomorrow, i think Partey will come in opposite direction. Aouar does'nt look like it will happen now and we need to find an alternative.
Nobody really wants to sign Faildouzi or Ozil and i think the best hope for us is to either take a big loss to shift them (pay a termination fee) or, a loan deal where we pay a fair chunk of both their wages and we bring one player in.
Sokratis looks like he is off to the Italian league, that's been the best place for him since day 1, he is too slow for the Prem.
Prime Vieira walks into any team in the world today in my opinion....if ever there was a player who had the skill and the physical attributes to play against the press it’s him. Piers had many things but pace wasn’t one of them...he wasn’t mobile or physical enough to play centrally today.
That was the thing about that Arsenal team they had the guile on the ball of Bergkamp and Pires, the pace of Henry and the power of Vieira, Campbell and Lauren. They could play any game they wanted to and match opponents in whatever style they wanted to play in.
That was the thing about that Arsenal team they had the guile on the ball of Bergkamp and Pires, the pace of Henry and the power of Vieira, Campbell and Lauren. They could play any game they wanted to and match opponents in whatever style they wanted to play in.
It's mental to think that players like Ozil and Kante are now old fashioned and don't really work in the prem anymore. Kante especially. He was literally the best midfielder in the league (well, certainly top three) just 3 seasons or so ago. It does seem to be the case though. Part of the reason why Torreira hasn't worked out possibly..... he arrived at a time where the midfield terrier was falling out of favour.
The thing with Vieira is that despite his physical presence and central midfield position he was so much more than a midfield 'destroyer'. Pace, power, skill on the ball, passing and vision, finishing, tackling, aggression, close control, a great first touch - there was literally nothing he didn't have and couldn't do. As such, he would excel in any era, in any system. I would honestly go so far as to say he was the single most complete player there has been in the Premier League era, and if anything, is a bit underrated. Yes, he regularly makes the top 10 in greatest premier League players lists, but really should be a regular in the top 3.
The thing with Vieira is that despite his physical presence and central midfield position he was so much more than a midfield 'destroyer'. Pace, power, skill on the ball, passing and vision, finishing, tackling, aggression, close control, a great first touch - there was literally nothing he didn't have and couldn't do. As such, he would excel in any era, in any system. I would honestly go so far as to say he was the single most complete player there has been in the Premier League era, and if anything, is a bit underrated. Yes, he regularly makes the top 10 in greatest premier League players lists, but really should be a regular in the top 3.
Good result that, Leno was MOTM and made some great saves.
Still not great with crosses and seems to parry the ball into the danger zone more often than not.
Had a feeling Elneny would miss but great pens by the rest of the team especially AMN.
Still not great with crosses and seems to parry the ball into the danger zone more often than not.
Had a feeling Elneny would miss but great pens by the rest of the team especially AMN.
Edited by Radec on Thursday 1st October 22:57
AMN is going to look ridiculous when he actually misses one of those ultra laid back penalties of his! Credit to him though.
And now Martinez has left, it was good to have a game that reminded everyone just how bloody good of a keeper Leno actually is. Yeah, we all loved Martinez, but Leno is one of the few genuinely world class players that we have (arguably one of the two, in fact, but that's another topic).
And now Martinez has left, it was good to have a game that reminded everyone just how bloody good of a keeper Leno actually is. Yeah, we all loved Martinez, but Leno is one of the few genuinely world class players that we have (arguably one of the two, in fact, but that's another topic).
scrubchub said:
The thing with Vieira is that despite his physical presence and central midfield position he was so much more than a midfield 'destroyer'. Pace, power, skill on the ball, passing and vision, finishing, tackling, aggression, close control, a great first touch - there was literally nothing he didn't have and couldn't do. As such, he would excel in any era, in any system. I would honestly go so far as to say he was the single most complete player there has been in the Premier League era, and if anything, is a bit underrated. Yes, he regularly makes the top 10 in greatest premier League players lists, but really should be a regular in the top 3.
Absolutely ! Leno superb last night and whilst Liverpool were the better team it was noticeable that once Van Dyke and Salah came off it was a more even contest. AMN’s penalty routine is just brilliant....I reckon a keeper would hate that, wonder if the best thing a keeper can do is nothing as AMN is waiting for the keeper to move ?
Hopefully that was Kola’s last game in an Arsenal shirt...he was dreadful again.
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