The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 10)

The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 10)

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MiniMan64

13,830 posts

154 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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GloverMart said:
Leading on from the discussion on Cavani from the previous thread....

Standing by for a flaming here but think you'd have genuinely been better getting Jamie Vardy. Same age, knows the Premier League, knows where the goal is, no settling in period needed. He's playing as well as he ever has, you'd look bloody good going forward, a lot more energy and pzazz than at present and he's also got that little edge you need to succeed.

Oh, and I'd bin Pogba and pay Villa whatever they wanted for Jack Grealish.
You assume Vardy and Grealish would want to come. If VdB doesn’t get game time then they probably wouldn’t

BMW A6

1,911 posts

28 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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One has ultimately arrived at unwavering & unequivocal conclusion that Pogba will not achieve his potential with us.

Sad, but he needs to be moved on.

selym

8,731 posts

135 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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GloverMart said:
Leading on from the discussion on Cavani from the previous thread....

Standing by for a flaming here but think you'd have genuinely been better getting Jamie Vardy. Same age, knows the Premier League, knows where the goal is, no settling in period needed. He's playing as well as he ever has, you'd look bloody good going forward, a lot more energy and pzazz than at present and he's also got that little edge you need to succeed.

Oh, and I'd bin Pogba and pay Villa whatever they wanted for Jack Grealish.
Hasn't Grealish just signed a five year extension? Plus United tax, that'll be £130m please.

GloverMart

10,179 posts

179 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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selym said:
GloverMart said:
Leading on from the discussion on Cavani from the previous thread....

Standing by for a flaming here but think you'd have genuinely been better getting Jamie Vardy. Same age, knows the Premier League, knows where the goal is, no settling in period needed. He's playing as well as he ever has, you'd look bloody good going forward, a lot more energy and pzazz than at present and he's also got that little edge you need to succeed.

Oh, and I'd bin Pogba and pay Villa whatever they wanted for Jack Grealish.
Hasn't Grealish just signed a five year extension? Plus United tax, that'll be £130m please.
Ah, hadn't realised about Grealish's deal. He's still a player United should have been chasing before he signed that deal though, would have got him for far less than now. Spurs were constantly linked with him.

Cie

17,073 posts

157 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Poch looked rather fetching on MNF. yum

selym

8,731 posts

135 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Not necessarily United news I know, but Giggs and women eh?

Keyser Soze

21,505 posts

155 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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unident

3,534 posts

15 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Keyser Soze said:
Figures like that rarely tell the full story. Ole started with a long run of wins and is currently in a run of poor form. Take out the first 20 games and compare it, or show it as a graph to show progression over time.

selym

8,731 posts

135 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Keyser Soze said:
Resounding evidence that Ole should stay as long as he likes.

Radec

996 posts

11 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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selym said:
Not necessarily United news I know, but Giggs and women eh?
Ryan Giggs, Ryan Giggs, running down D wing biggrin

selym

8,731 posts

135 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Radec said:
selym said:
Not necessarily United news I know, but Giggs and women eh?
Ryan Giggs, Ryan Giggs, running down D wing biggrin
It took me a few seconds! I bet Rhodri is unsurprised.

Mopey

2,077 posts

119 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Also within that first 100 days as Liverpool fans we could see what Klopp was doing and it takes time. The culture, the right players etc.
Yes the stats look similar but would you say after 100 games you know where you are going whether you are on the right path.

so called

7,947 posts

173 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Mopey said:
Also within that first 100 days as Liverpool fans we could see what Klopp was doing and it takes time. The culture, the right players etc.
Yes the stats look similar but would you say after 100 games you know where you are going whether you are on the right path.
To a degree, yes.
Ole's bringing in lots of young talent and building for a strong future, just as Fergy did.

Us old farts can remember the early 90's when SAF was struggling with results.
My M City and Liverpool fan colleagues were taking the p1ss and sayin, "please don't sack Fergy".
In the background, he was rebuilding from the ground up with the Academy a high priority.
It took several years and there were some good and bad signings during that time but he eventually got there.
I just hope Ole is given a similar amount of time.

Cie

17,073 posts

157 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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selym said:
Resounding evidence that Ole should stay as long as he likes.
drink

BMW A6

1,911 posts

28 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Keyser Soze said:
Is this for league games or all competitions?

Mr. White

502 posts

68 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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unident said:
Figures like that rarely tell the full story. Ole started with a long run of wins and is currently in a run of poor form. Take out the first 20 games and compare it, or show it as a graph to show progression over time.
I agree. Take out all of the games that Ole has won and then see what it looks like. Shocking stuff.

ORD

16,325 posts

91 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Mr. White said:
agree. Take out all of the games that Ole has won and then see what it looks like. Shocking stuff.
That’s not entirely fair. It is not strange or unfair to say “Now let’s look at the last 20 games” or 30 games or whatever.

Mr. White

502 posts

68 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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ORD said:
That’s not entirely fair. It is not strange or unfair to say “Now let’s look at the last 20 games” or 30 games or whatever.
You're right, I was being slightly facetious.

However I don't necessarily agree with the "trend" argument; it so difficult to come to any conclusions at the moment based on the covid situation, the usual shambles of a summer window, lack of pre-season, Pogba being Pogba etc.

ORD

16,325 posts

91 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Mr. White said:
You're right, I was being slightly facetious.

However I don't necessarily agree with the "trend" argument; it so difficult to come to any conclusions at the moment based on the covid situation, the usual shambles of a summer window, lack of pre-season, Pogba being Pogba etc.
Also a fair point.

My view at the moment is that (1) our form is truly horrendous but (2) that may not provide much of an insight into an underlying trend. The way I test this is to ask how confident I am in predicting the next game. Usually I have a fairly strong feeling one way or the other. At the moment, nothing at all would surprise me. We could blow away pretty much any side or lose to pretty much any side, with about equal probability. That is simply weird.

unident

3,534 posts

15 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Mr. White said:
You're right, I was being slightly facetious.

However I don't necessarily agree with the "trend" argument; it so difficult to come to any conclusions at the moment based on the covid situation, the usual shambles of a summer window, lack of pre-season, Pogba being Pogba etc.
Covid - everyone is affected the same it isn’t exclusive to United

Summer window - club’s fault. Chairman or manager or both?

Lack of preseason - manager’s fault

Pogba- manager’s fault.

Ole can influence at least two of those above, arguably three and the Covid piece is just a red herring.