The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 19]

The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 19]

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ChocolateFrog

13,295 posts

140 months

Tuesday 22nd June
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Any news on Trent's injury?


Flip Martian

14,357 posts

157 months

Tuesday 22nd June
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jammy-git said:
I agree with NRS. We've had Trent, Curtis looks like he'll become a good squad player (but yet to see if he'll be genuine first XI quality), and I have high hopes for Harvey.

Everyone else is unlikely to be good enough. Put it this way. If Neco Williams was playing for another team, it's unlikely any of us would be saying he looks like a potential star and we should try and grab him.
To be honest I have no idea about Neco Williams yet - he's looked a promising youngster and able understudy but its early days. Selling them and then buying in a replacement flies in the face of pretty much everything Klopp and FSG were about when they joined forces. Rhian Brewster last summer, similar. Talked about as a potential big thing - but Anfield is the best place to develop that talent. He's done nothing at Sheffield Utd. Is that the player's fault? Who knows? Maybe his attitude was wrong and JK was happy for him to go. Or maybe he didn't expect to leave and has felt crappy about being rejected.

If the club says "no they won't be good enough for what we want" - fair enough. If its selling the talented youngsters as they're more sellable and we need to raise funds, not so good.

jammy-git

27,002 posts

179 months

Tuesday 22nd June
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They're talked up as the next best thing in order to drive up their price.

Chris Stott

8,559 posts

164 months

Tuesday 22nd June
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I think you’ve got to trust those that see these kids day in day out in training to make the right calls.

Flip Martian

14,357 posts

157 months

Tuesday 22nd June
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Chris Stott said:
I think you’ve got to trust those that see these kids day in day out in training to make the right calls.
Ultimately, I guess that's right. I just wish some of the dead wood could be moved on as a priority.

ferrisbueller

26,676 posts

194 months

Tuesday 22nd June
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I can imagine it's much more difficult to shift dead wood. Not least ones who have an over inflated opinion of their capabilities and lumpy contracts.

NRS

17,574 posts

168 months

Tuesday 22nd June
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Yes. And it's not in the dead wood's benefit to take a pay cut and leave us, as very few clubs will pay the same wages as us, and even fewer of those who can will choose to do it on a Liverpool reject. So even if we did agree a selling price we're likely to not have the player accept it, as they will want the best wages and nice payoff when they move out of contract afterwards in most cases.

You mention Brewster and not doing anything at Sheffield Utd - if he had the right attitude it shouldn't matter if we moved him on. So either his attitude is bad, or he wasn't good enough.

It's very much the exception a youth player comes through - look at us and all the top clubs, and how many of those in say the last 20 years are home grown regular first team players? Very few overall. It's a different financial model - they buy more proven players as it reduces the risk of a dud. Just look at say Karius for an example of how one poor player can lose you trophies if they're in the team. You always will buy duds, but buying players who have proven themselves elsewhere reduces that, and so is worth paying the extra money in general. And due to the higher wages you offer it's hard to get rid of the duds, or ones that become old and lose performance (likely sticking point with Gini was trying to avoid that).

Edited by NRS on Tuesday 22 June 15:59

Chris Stott

8,559 posts

164 months

Tuesday 22nd June
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I would say we’ve been pretty ok at moving players on for decent money in recent years.

BadBull

1,924 posts

39 months

Tuesday 22nd June
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I just want Origi gone (and Karius of course). No-one else really springs to mind.

Adam.

21,127 posts

221 months

Tuesday 22nd June
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It’s also possible NW told Klopp he wants first team football soon and was told that’s unlikely at Liverpool for a while, so NW asked if he see if offers could be taken

ChocolateFrog

13,295 posts

140 months

Tuesday 22nd June
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BadBull said:
I just want Origi gone (and Karius of course). No-one else really springs to mind.
I don't begrudge Origi almost solely because of what he did against Everton and Barcelona.

Karius still being on the books is criminal.

Were not in too bad a situation with our high earners. Not when you compare to Utd atleast

Shaquiri must have inflated his price or we play him more next season.

jammy-git

27,002 posts

179 months

Wednesday 23rd June
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The only real deadwood we have is Karius.

Origi has scored some immensely important goals for us and if he stays no doubt he will again at some stage.

Shaqiri is a great player, especially to have on the bench.

The only other I can think of is Grujic. Not sure what the plan is for him, or if he has much potential.

BadBull

1,924 posts

39 months

Wednesday 23rd June
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I know what he's done in years gone by, but Origi actually handicaps us when he plays now.

He's brought on as an impact sub and does nothing.

He looks lazy and disinterested.

He's the opposite of what our playing style requires.

Thanks for the memories but time to go.

type-r

10,231 posts

180 months

Wednesday 23rd June
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ChocolateFrog said:
Karius still being on the books is criminal.
I read an article where he had to issue a public apology last week after he was caught with another woman.

Can't even save a relationship.

Flip Martian

14,357 posts

157 months

Wednesday 23rd June
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Origi has done nowt this last season though, when called on. For whatever reason (as ever we don't know what shows behind the scenes) he's not really pushed for a place in the same way Jota has, for example. I dont know why someone wouldn't want to take a chance on him though. Karius has had a couple of opportunities since that CL final and seems to remain flawed. Maybe his level is actually below what he thinks his wages should be so we can't get shot.

But if we signed him on a 5 yr contract in 2016 - surely he must be about to be a free agent... No we gave him a 1 year extension to 2022 when he went to Besiktas on loan (WHY???! Gambling on a bigger transfer fee I suppose). Oh dear...

jammy-git

27,002 posts

179 months

Wednesday 23rd June
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I can see why Origi hasn't pushed on. He scored some great goals and then was still just used as a backup to everyone else, or played with the kids in the cups. And then we signed Jota.

I agree, it's time to move him on, but I don't think it's entirely his fault that he hasn't performed.

Chris Stott

8,559 posts

164 months

Wednesday 23rd June
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I think Origi has had plenty of chances.

Comparison with Jota is never going to do him any favours as Jota just started banging them in from his 1st game... a lot of the time as a sub.

BadBull

1,924 posts

39 months

Wednesday 23rd June
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Jota suits our style of play a million times more than Origi.

That was obvious from Jotas first 10 minutes on his debut.

I'd rather have Elliott back and use him than play Origi again.

type-r

10,231 posts

180 months

Wednesday 23rd June
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I hope Elliott goes on loan to a PL club next. Did well at Blackburn and needs to push on now, rather than warming the bench at Anfield.

Made the mistake last season of holding out for a sale for Wilson only for him to be loaned to a championship club when he played for Bournemouth the season before. Step down.

Adam.

21,127 posts

221 months

Wednesday 23rd June
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jammy-git said:
I can see why Origi hasn't pushed on. He scored some great goals and then was still just used as a backup to everyone else, or played with the kids in the cups. And then we signed Jota.

I agree, it's time to move him on, but I don't think it's entirely his fault that he hasn't performed.
Entirely no, mostly yes IMO

I ran out of patience with him a while after the honeymoon glow of 4-0 Barcelona wore off.

its frustrating because his very direct style of running at goal and strong shot should make him the ideal impact sub

but too often he is lethargic and goes through the motions, sort of closes down without actually sprinting and really closing down, waits for something to happen rather than look to make it happen

Contrast with Shaq who races on to the pitch as sub and plays like he would run through a wqall and has 20 mins to prove himself

Edited by Adam. on Wednesday 23 June 17:00