The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 19]

The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 19]

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Flip Martian

14,371 posts

158 months

Thursday 15th April
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I know Kabak had had a lot on his plate since he signed. I just wonder if he's done enough to warrant buying?

Phillips did well again last night - even got a mention from Milly afterwards. I just wonder how good he could end up with Virgil leading the back 4 next to him.

I think having Virgil and Hendo back next season will be a big plus. And I suspect another striker will start to emerge playing a bit part perhaps next season too - our front 3 can't go on forever. Bobby and Sadio both turn 30 next season. I don't think Salah will be going anywhere this Summer either.

jammy-git

27,020 posts

180 months

Thursday 15th April
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I think neither Philips nor Kabak is quick enough for the way we want to play, but maybe good enough for 4th choice.

Flip Martian

14,371 posts

158 months

Thursday 15th April
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I was assuming we might start to vary the "everyone get high up the pitch" thing. When RM did sit back and try to catch us on the break later in the game, we still coped. And it was Kabak that got taken off for that, not Phillips. I just wonder if Kabak has a future at Anfield.

Lovren was 4th choice eventually - Phillips seems to handle things better than Lovren did. He was even throwing in a couple of no look passes that came off last night. Looks pretty comfortable on the ball.

NRS

17,672 posts

169 months

Thursday 15th April
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Flip Martian said:
I was assuming we might start to vary the "everyone get high up the pitch" thing. When RM did sit back and try to catch us on the break later in the game, we still coped. And it was Kabak that got taken off for that, not Phillips. I just wonder if Kabak has a future at Anfield.

Lovren was 4th choice eventually - Phillips seems to handle things better than Lovren did. He was even throwing in a couple of no look passes that came off last night. Looks pretty comfortable on the ball.
I don't think yesterday's game was representative of a team trying to hit us on the break. They were not even trying to hit on the break - at least not more than a player or two. They had taken the lessons of others sides on board. Instead of trying to cut out the passes from Trent and Robertson on the wings, just pack the box instead and let them pass without too much effort to stop them. The box is so crowded we can't get a shot in. And even if we do go through the centre via someone else it's the same issue. So they just didn't bother sticking anyone to try and get a third goal, as they had confidence to keep us out.

It'd have been interesting if we did get the first early goal, as they'd have then had to decide between the same tactics as above, or actually try and score.

Flip Martian

14,371 posts

158 months

Thursday 15th April
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NRS said:
I don't think yesterday's game was representative of a team trying to hit us on the break. They were not even trying to hit on the break - at least not more than a player or two. They had taken the lessons of others sides on board. Instead of trying to cut out the passes from Trent and Robertson on the wings, just pack the box instead and let them pass without too much effort to stop them. The box is so crowded we can't get a shot in. And even if we do go through the centre via someone else it's the same issue. So they just didn't bother sticking anyone to try and get a third goal, as they had confidence to keep us out.

It'd have been interesting if we did get the first early goal, as they'd have then had to decide between the same tactics as above, or actually try and score.
Yeah we've faced a lot of teams that pack their defence against us this season - I think when RM did that, you knew it was game over really.

On another note, Milly was pretty immense last night.

NRS

17,672 posts

169 months

Thursday 15th April
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Yeah, it's not just packing the defence - teams did that before. It's the more ignoring of the 2 on the side that I think causes bigger problems. Plus us not breaking fast, and even a few goals from corners from big VvD.

jammy-git

27,020 posts

180 months

Thursday 15th April
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Yup, completely agree with the above. Teams have found a system that works against us and it's very effective. When we have possession, don't get pulled out wide, don't get pulled out into midfield. Just put in a low block the width of the area and we have no space to operate in.

I think we need midfielders trying more shots from well outside the area with our attackers following up for any rebounds. We also think we need more runners into the half spaces along the edge of the area, pulling it back from the byline - it's something Man City do incredibly effectively.

We definitely need to switch it up a bit for next season though, because our current system it just not effective any more. Especially when we have injuries and/or players are too tired to make the high press work.

NRS

17,672 posts

169 months

Thursday 15th April
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Maybe we need to get more height in there for the crosses - perhaps a Plan B big man up front? ideabiggrin

200Plus Club

8,972 posts

246 months

Thursday 15th April
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NRS said:
Maybe we need to get more height in there for the crosses - perhaps a Plan B big man up front? ideabiggrin
I believe Andy Carroll is still alive ..

ferrisbueller

26,683 posts

195 months

Thursday 15th April
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jammy-git said:
Yup, completely agree with the above. Teams have found a system that works against us and it's very effective. When we have possession, don't get pulled out wide, don't get pulled out into midfield. Just put in a low block the width of the area and we have no space to operate in.

I think we need midfielders trying more shots from well outside the area with our attackers following up for any rebounds. We also think we need more runners into the half spaces along the edge of the area, pulling it back from the byline - it's something Man City do incredibly effectively.

We definitely need to switch it up a bit for next season though, because our current system it just not effective any more. Especially when we have injuries and/or players are too tired to make the high press work.
We don't vary the play enough and play too slowly. We're pretty easy to play against if the opponent doesn't want, or need, to attack. We created almost nothing with a front four last night. As well as no threat from a shot from distance, we carry very little threat from set pieces.

I'm looking forward to everyone being fit next season if only to see what Thiago is meant to be good at.

TBF, I thought Real managed the game well. Several of our players looked tired last night.

Even with all of that, we still had enough chances to win.

Dan_1981

15,789 posts

167 months

Thursday 15th April
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32 years since Hillsborough.

YNWA.

ChocolateFrog

13,403 posts

141 months

Saturday 17th April
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2:2 in the Everton vs Spurs game couldn't really suit us much better.


Flip Martian

14,371 posts

158 months

Saturday 17th April
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2 teams known for choking...choke. I guess. Good result for us.

Today I'm keeping fingers crossed that Newcastle beat West Ham... Some hope, but you never know...

type-r

10,238 posts

181 months

Saturday 17th April
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Flip Martian said:
Today I'm keeping fingers crossed that Newcastle beat West Ham... Some hope, but you never know...
How has it come to this?

Adam.

21,172 posts

222 months

Saturday 17th April
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Looking good so far hehe

type-r

10,238 posts

181 months

Saturday 17th April
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Saint-Maximin as a back-up to Mane? Strong, pacey, 24. Has potential to score more too.

jammy-git

27,020 posts

180 months

Saturday 17th April
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type-r said:
Flip Martian said:
Today I'm keeping fingers crossed that Newcastle beat West Ham... Some hope, but you never know...
How has it come to this?
Who would have ever thought Lingard would be powering a team into Champions League qualification?!

jammy-git

27,020 posts

180 months

Saturday 17th April
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type-r said:
Saint-Maximin as a back-up to Mane? Strong, pacey, 24. Has potential to score more too.
I'm a big fan but I think he needs to work on his final ball else he could just turn into another Adama Traore.

Could be worth a punt though if Newcastle get relegated.

ChocolateFrog

13,403 posts

141 months

Saturday 17th April
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Another hugely favourable result for us.

Chelsea have both the FA Cup and CL to contend with as well as a tricky run in.

It's not over yet.

Flip Martian

14,371 posts

158 months

Saturday 17th April
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We just need to stop dropping silly points. Big ask, I know...but its there if we want it badly enough. 4th would be incredible after the season we've had...