The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 14]

[Guvernator]

Byker28i said:

Bergvall
Van de Ven
Udogie
Micky Moore
Archie Grey
Tel
Spence
Danso
Kinsky
Odebert?
and dare I say even Johnson

Do you really think these are all good players?

Bergvall, Grey and Moore all good prospects but 2-3 years off from being complete PL players
Van de Ven is good but has been injured for 49% of all Spurs games since he joined
Udogie was good for about 6 months but has gone massively backwards since although that could be to do with Ange's st system
Tel has had 3 appearances and has looked rubbish in every single one
Odebert played 3 games, was rubbish and then got injured for 6 months
BJ literally offers nothing else if he isn't tapping them in from 2 yards. We look like we are playing with 9 men for most of the time if he's out on that wing.

Only two new players have really impressed me this season as in ready now, consistent and available for most games. Spence has been excellent and Danso has been solid if unexceptional.

So that's two players ready now, three decent youth prospects which will be nice for our next manager or possibly the one after, one very injury prone defender and a whole load of meh.

[WrekinCrew]

May be of interest - not exactly Greaves / Kane class:

	app	goals	avg
Werner	31	2	0.06
Janssen	31	2	0.06
Soldado	52	7	0.13
Rasiak	8	0	0.00
Rebrov	60	10	0.17
Zamora	16	0	0.00

[Byker28i]

Guvernator said:

Byker28i said:

Bergvall
Van de Ven
Udogie
Micky Moore
Archie Grey
Tel
Spence
Danso
Kinsky
Odebert?
and dare I say even Johnson

Do you really think these are all good players?

Bergvall, Grey and Moore all good prospects but 2-3 years off from being complete PL players
Van de Ven is good but has been injured for 49% of all Spurs games since he joined
Udogie was good for about 6 months but has gone massively backwards since although that could be to do with Ange's st system
Tel has had 3 appearances and has looked rubbish in every single one
Odebert played 3 games, was rubbish and then got injured for 6 months
BJ literally offers nothing else if he isn't tapping them in from 2 yards. We look like we are playing with 9 men for most of the time if he's out on that wing.

Only two new players have really impressed me this season as in ready now, consistent and available for most games. Spence has been excellent and Danso has been solid if unexceptional.

So that's two players ready now, three decent youth prospects which will be nice for our next manager or possibly the one after, one very injury prone defender and a whole load of meh.

You were complaining about the players we bought, I was saying it's not all doom and gloom. Yes I think they are decent players and to criticise when we've been on a showstring, lack of players through injury, under pressure from poor results...

I'm not sure who else was really available we could have bought at the time...

It's a positive these players, with that hint of anticipation of a possibility... its what we have now

[Guvernator]

Byker28i said:

You were complaining about the players we bought, I was saying it's not all doom and gloom. Yes I think they are decent players and to criticise when we've been on a showstring, lack of players through injury, under pressure from poor results...

I'm not sure who else was really available we could have bought at the time...

It's a positive these players, with that hint of anticipation of a possibility... its what we have now

Who else was available? How about Eze, Neto, Skriniar, Zabarnyi, Baleba, Mbeumo, Semenyo just off the top of my head, most of whom we've been linked with at one time or another but didn't buy.

Ready made players that will have a real, positive impact on the squad right now, not in 3 years time, or mediocre players that won't actually move our squad forward at all. We spend lots of money on lots of st or "prospects" rather than spending lots of money on fewer, quality, players and this despite our huge financial stature in the footballing world.

I'm not saying our squad is st but it's not exactly amazing either. My bugbear with Ange is that he's making our above average squad look awful. My bugbear with Levy is that he never takes our above average squad to the next level with better purchases.

[Byker28i]

Guvernator said:

I'm not saying our squad is st but it's not exactly amazing either. My bugbear with Ange is that he's making our above average squad look awful. My bugbear with Levy is that he never takes our above average squad to the next level with better purchases.

Both fair points

[TEKNOPUG]

Guvernator said:

TEKNOPUG said:

TBF he can't stop Argentina calling him up. Let's see if he plays first.

I can pretty much guarantee he'll be fit as a fiddle and play his heart out.

Then get injured on the way back to Spurs.

My hatred of him is almost reaching secret thread, Madison levels. Almost

In the squad tonight AFAIK. Will probably want to get some minutes in before the Argie games....

[GappySmeg]

We don't look like scoring at all!!!

[VTC]

Another AP tactical masterclass
disjointed school kids running around without any real clue.

AP has been given far to long to show his worth.

My take he has none.

[juice]

It's all a bit rudderless really. Not really sure what style of play we're aiming for as we're neither fish nor fowl

[VTC]

1 shot on Target
God awful after 8 days getting ready for this dross.

[GappySmeg]

Clueless, rudderless bilge. 1 shot on target, and that was a speculative shot from out wide at the death.

"It's just who we are, mate"

F*%& off!

[VTC]

I would rather see Big Sam than this Fraud

[48k]

VTC said:

I would rather see Big Sam than this Fraud

He's back on form!

[VTC]

Unlike our team,
do you think anything over this season has been acceptable?

they are awful at the moment.
so little cohesion even down to that free kick WTF was that.

[Guvernator]

Entirely predictable with this clown in charge.

Wonder when the breaking point will be for fans and Levy. When we get dumped out of the Europa?

[dmulally]

I'm holding judgement until Blib's wife gives the cloakroom status.

[dmulally]

VTC said:

Unlike our team,
do you think anything over this season has been acceptable?

they are awful at the moment.
so little cohesion even down to that free kick WTF was that.

That was comedy gold. Best part was the sneaky squirrel conversation before hand.

[mickk]

I know the manager always gets the blame and some of the tactics I've seen this season he should be blamed, injuries aside and we've had a fair share of them. This squad of players are stealing a living I've never seen such a disjointed team, the only players that could escape criticism imo are Spence, Kulu, Gray and Vic the rest you wouldn't be worried if they started, VdV will probably never get over his injury especially playing the way Ange plays.

I'm only still 'Ange in' for the rest of the season, pointless replacing him now.

[Guvernator]

I don't think it is pointless. If we replace him now, we give time for the new manager to bed in and more importantly, be in place to have a say in the summer transfer window. If we wait till summer, we'll spend 3 months searching for a new manager and use that as an excuse to not spend properly in summer or worse, buy players for Ange's system which are totally inappropriate for the new manager.

However both of these options are much better than what we'll actually end up doing which is keep Ange over summer, buy him some average players or kids to suit his system, realise by November it's still not working, then sack him at Christmas by which point we'll have wasted yet another season on this failed project.

[mickk]

Lose Sunday and the return leg next week and I expect he'll be gone, then it all starts again, excellent can't wait for another project.