The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 11)

[AngryYorkshireman]

simon800 said:

Topical from the BBC;

They're playing far too many matches.
When you get to playing 2/3 matches a week, there's no recovery time.
Add to that the near non-existent close season where the big clubs spend the summer travelling around the world playing "exhibition" (marketing) matches, it's hardly a surprise.
Add in international matches for probably a big proportion of the PL players.

Unless you have a massive squad and rotate, or are unsuccessful at the numerous cups.
I'm sure some of the medical people and conditioning make a difference, but there's only so much that can be done.

Ultimately it's what happens when large amounts of money are at stake, everyone wants their pound of flesh.

[AngryYorkshireman]

simon800 said:

Topical from the BBC;

They're playing far too many matches.
When you get to playing 2/3 matches a week, there's no recovery time.
Add to that the near non-existent close season where the big clubs spend the summer travelling around the world playing "exhibition" (marketing) matches, it's hardly a surprise.
Add in international matches for probably a big proportion of the PL players.

Unless you have a massive squad and rotate, or are unsuccessful at the numerous cups.
I'm sure some of the medical people and conditioning make a difference, but there's only so much that can be done.

Ultimately it's what happens when large amounts of money are at stake, everyone wants their pound of flesh.

[Gone a bit AMG]

AngryYorkshireman said:

They're playing far too many matches.
When you get to playing 2/3 matches a week, there's no recovery time.
Add to that the near non-existent close season where the big clubs spend the summer travelling around the world playing "exhibition" (marketing) matches, it's hardly a surprise.
Add in international matches for probably a big proportion of the PL players.

Unless you have a massive squad and rotate, or are unsuccessful at the numerous cups.
I'm sure some of the medical people and conditioning make a difference, but there's only so much that can be done.

Ultimately it's what happens when large amounts of money are at stake, everyone wants their pound of flesh.

And throw in a mid season World Cup in the last one players are stretched more than ever. Similar is happening in Rugby.

[Challo]

AngryYorkshireman said:

simon800 said:

Topical from the BBC;

They're playing far too many matches.
When you get to playing 2/3 matches a week, there's no recovery time.
Add to that the near non-existent close season where the big clubs spend the summer travelling around the world playing "exhibition" (marketing) matches, it's hardly a surprise.
Add in international matches for probably a big proportion of the PL players.

Unless you have a massive squad and rotate, or are unsuccessful at the numerous cups.
I'm sure some of the medical people and conditioning make a difference, but there's only so much that can be done.

Ultimately it's what happens when large amounts of money are at stake, everyone wants their pound of flesh.

It would be interesting to see the breakdown of that data to see the spilt between impact / non impact injuries, and also the average time for recover.

With United we have had some long term injuries, but often we seem to lose players for a few games then back, but thats on a continues cycle. Always appears to be a groin strain, or hamstring etc.

[Gordon Hill]

It does play a big part. When it was just about sport the season started in August and finished early May. Then summer sports took over so no football for 13/14 weeks, now money rules so the season gets extended further and further to squeeze every last penny out of it.
I remember in the 70's we did almost the entire 76/77 season with the same 12 players, Stepney, Nichol, Buchan, Brian Greenhoff and Houston/Albiston, Mcillroy, Macari, Hill, Coppell, Daley, Jimmy Greenhoff and Stuart Pearson with Mcreery as sub. A couple of others that I may have forgotten but this small group of players managed to play 42 league games and win the FA cup.

[dickymint]

Gordon Hill said:

It does play a big part. When it was just about sport the season started in August and finished early May. Then summer sports took over so no football for 13/14 weeks, now money rules so the season gets extended further and further to squeeze every last penny out of it.
I remember in the 70's we did almost the entire 76/77 season with the same 12 players, Stepney, Nichol, Buchan, Brian Greenhoff and Houston/Albiston, Mcillroy, Macari, Hill, Coppell, Daley, Jimmy Greenhoff and Stuart Pearson with Mcreery as sub. A couple of others that I may have forgotten but this small group of players managed to play 42 league games and win the FA cup.

Players today have never had it so good - for the youngsters in here...................

https://www.theguardian.com/football/the-agony-and...

[Gone a bit AMG]

dickymint said:

Gordon Hill said:

It does play a big part. When it was just about sport the season started in August and finished early May. Then summer sports took over so no football for 13/14 weeks, now money rules so the season gets extended further and further to squeeze every last penny out of it.
I remember in the 70's we did almost the entire 76/77 season with the same 12 players, Stepney, Nichol, Buchan, Brian Greenhoff and Houston/Albiston, Mcillroy, Macari, Hill, Coppell, Daley, Jimmy Greenhoff and Stuart Pearson with Mcreery as sub. A couple of others that I may have forgotten but this small group of players managed to play 42 league games and win the FA cup.

Players today have never had it so good - for the youngsters in here...................

https://www.theguardian.com/football/the-agony-and...

The entire squad was 20ish players that season. You missed Paddy Roche reserve keeper who stands out for me as he’s a family friend! Kevin moran was around then I’m sure.

[Gordon Hill]

I didn't forget Paddy it's just that Stepney played the majority of games so limited myself to those. I remember that he did play a few in 76/77. Still have a picture of that years squad on the back of an old school bag.

Edited by Gordon Hill on Friday 1st March 14:32

[Gone a bit AMG]

Gordon Hill said:

I didn't forget Paddy it's just that Stepney played the majority of games so limited myself to those. I remember that he did play a few in 76/77. Still have a picture of that years squad on the back of an old school bag.

Edited by Gordon Hill on Friday 1st March 14:32

I wasn’t quite at school!! My first game was 78/9

[Gordon Hill]

I took that bag with a packed lunch on a school trip to London and ended up getting chased by 4 kids calling me a northern f@ckin c#nt" , welcome to the nation's capital eh! I wonder if they've learned how to walk in an upright stance yet?

[LF5335]

simon800 said:

Topical from the BBC;

Excluding City and Arsenal anyone we expect to be competing with have had a very similar number of injuries and days lost. In isolation I’m not sure what that table is showing that I could draw a conclusive opinion from.

Even the fact they’ve put is 2nd over Brighton who have had the same number of injuries but lost more days than us seems like it’s trying a bit too hard.

[G-wiz]

15:30 is weird kick-off for Sunday game with Citeh.

These games are normally 16:30.

Directive from our Chinese and Arabic over-lords?

[200Plus Club]

Gone a bit AMG said:

I wasn’t quite at school!! My first game was 78/9

1974 sat on my uncles shoulders :-)
Edit to add I used to have a collection of UTD cup final programmes I was given as a lad, including the 1963 final and 1979 final, lost them at /near school in 1980 never to be seen again.

Edited by 200Plus Club on Friday 1st March 20:43

[and31]

Gordon Hill said:

I took that bag with a packed lunch on a school trip to London and ended up getting chased by 4 kids calling me a northern f@ckin c#nt" , welcome to the nation's capital eh! I wonder if they've learned how to walk in an upright stance yet?

The capital hasn’t changed for the better that’s for sure

[and31]

200Plus Club said:

Gone a bit AMG said:

I wasn’t quite at school!! My first game was 78/9

1974 sat on my uncles shoulders :-)
Edit to add I used to have a collection of UTD cup final programmes I was given as a lad, including the 1963 final and 1979 final, lost them at /near school in 1980 never to be seen again.

Edited by 200Plus Club on Friday 1st March 20:43

1982 away at Luton for me-the standout aspect of the one all draw for 8 year old me was needing the toilet and managing to wee all over a Luton fan standing against the advertising hoarding-so despite the one all draw we pissed all over Luton that day…..

[Gordon Hill]

According to Sky we've been in talks with Graham Potter.

[LF5335]

Gordon Hill said:

According to Sky we've been in talks with Graham Potter.

Jesus F*****G Christ. LVG Junior. Get ready for the most amazing set pieces. Corners, pass to player on edge of D, he passes back to advanced defender on halfway line, he passes back to keeper. Possession retained, another 10% of crowd fall asleep.

Free kicks in a promising area? See previous.

[Cie]

LF5335 said:

Gordon Hill said:

According to Sky we've been in talks with Graham Potter.

Jesus F*****G Christ.

Please no

[Gordon Hill]

It shows a staggering lack of ambition at best.

On the left back situation instead to putting square pegs in round holes surely we have decent youth team players who could fill in, ETH doesn't seem to entertain the idea.

[simon800]

Gordon Hill said:

According to Sky we've been in talks with Graham Potter.

This would be a shocker. But he also can’t be worse than Ten Hag.