The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 12)
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What a lovely shiny new home we are going to have. It looks f
king amazing and I cannot wait. The experience at City on a match day is light years ahead so this will close one gap to them and being able to welcome nearly twice as many fans to a match day will seriously increase match day revenue.
The government has already given its support including Rachel from accounts and the regeneration of what is an underused old industrial area will have investors falling over them selves.
Public transport is already in place as the Metrolink extension to the Trafford centre already stops right where the new ground will be, well about 100m away and the deal has already been done with the shipping container company for their land. The concern over bridges from our Liverpool supporting friends whilst admirable is pretty irrelevant considering those bridges swing or are high enough for some pretty fking big arse ships to float through.
They’ll only be Barcelona with a bigger stadium in Europe. Yep my tickets will go up but if it means I’m no longer paying £3.40 for a warm bottle of carling or £4.50 for a pint of madri and can have a decent beer that benefits United on the way in then bring it on. Love the whole covering the concourses outside concept.
Oh and Big Jim or the Jim Reaper, that’s made me chuckle, has a bit of experience in negotiating multi billion pound infrastructure projects.
As for results on the pitch, spurs sell out every week and they’ve got an even smaller fan base than City and are just as st as we are. Plus you can get the tram from the airport for all those coffer swelling tourists.
king amazing and I cannot wait. The experience at City on a match day is light years ahead so this will close one gap to them and being able to welcome nearly twice as many fans to a match day will seriously increase match day revenue. The government has already given its support including Rachel from accounts and the regeneration of what is an underused old industrial area will have investors falling over them selves.
Public transport is already in place as the Metrolink extension to the Trafford centre already stops right where the new ground will be, well about 100m away and the deal has already been done with the shipping container company for their land. The concern over bridges from our Liverpool supporting friends whilst admirable is pretty irrelevant considering those bridges swing or are high enough for some pretty f
king big arse ships to float through. They’ll only be Barcelona with a bigger stadium in Europe. Yep my tickets will go up but if it means I’m no longer paying £3.40 for a warm bottle of carling or £4.50 for a pint of madri and can have a decent beer that benefits United on the way in then bring it on. Love the whole covering the concourses outside concept.
Oh and Big Jim or the Jim Reaper, that’s made me chuckle, has a bit of experience in negotiating multi billion pound infrastructure projects.
As for results on the pitch, spurs sell out every week and they’ve got an even smaller fan base than City and are just as s
t as we are. Plus you can get the tram from the airport for all those coffer swelling tourists. Good positivity
Any distinctive stadium design that isn’t just a bowl like Everton City Arsenal or Spurs is bound to attract mixed views - the towers has a bit of a circus tent or Minehead Butlins vibe but that in the CGI and in reality I’m sure it will be spectacular- any stadium with 100k is bound to be enormous - the Spurs one is small by comparison and I have sat up at the top and it’s seriously high and I felt a bit of vertigo and as if above the atmosphere - that roof might make it feel more enclosed
The idea of the huge covered courtyard is brilliant and should make it a real event to go early and so make the club far more money on match days and help on those very rare days when it rains in Manchester 😀
Any distinctive stadium design that isn’t just a bowl like Everton City Arsenal or Spurs is bound to attract mixed views - the towers has a bit of a circus tent or Minehead Butlins vibe but that in the CGI and in reality I’m sure it will be spectacular- any stadium with 100k is bound to be enormous - the Spurs one is small by comparison and I have sat up at the top and it’s seriously high and I felt a bit of vertigo and as if above the atmosphere - that roof might make it feel more enclosed
The idea of the huge covered courtyard is brilliant and should make it a real event to go early and so make the club far more money on match days and help on those very rare days when it rains in Manchester 😀
redstar1 said:
franki68 said:
Didn’t he say or suggest that without government investment
into the area for regeneration it wouldn’t happen anyway ?
Govt investment is needed to move the freight yards I would think before anything else happens.into the area for regeneration it wouldn’t happen anyway ?
Also I don't see how they get anything big up the ship canal without dismantling some bridges.....
200Plus Club said:
Fast Bug said:
Thing is Spurs are a well run ship (financially), and United are not. Meaning you don't have the money to fund the stadium build and naming rights won't cover the cost, so you'll have to borrow to build. Adding to the debt that needs to be serviced which won't be cleared by the uplift in revenue for a good few years
If only Spurs won trophies, it'd be the perfect club...Levvy also does very well financially out of that club and will never sell it, another parasite like the Glazers.
I quite like the artist impressions of the new stadium, if you build it they will come etc etc. 5yrs being mentioned for planning/build etc.
one point the council was going to borrow the money on our behalf but that option didn't happen although kopites like to think their council tax paid for it. I wish it did! I'd be amazed if you guys get a spade in the ground in 5 years let alone complete it. Oh and you can double that 2bn. BMD was supposed to cost 350m but has cost 760!
Edit. Bowl like Arsenal? Lol.
Frimley111R said:
5 years. Lol, not a chance, even though we need it even sooner. And aren't all big construction projects massively over budget?
I think that might be somewhat behind the plan to build it all 'somewhere else' and bring it up the canal. It could work well, even using somewhere close by that has spare capacity like the shipyard in Belfast. They might also mean somewhere with much lower labour costs...I'm skeptical about the timescales but pleased with the ambition, assuming it's genuine.
redstar1 said:
Frimley111R said:
5 years. Lol, not a chance, even though we need it even sooner. And aren't all big construction projects massively over budget?
I think that might be somewhat behind the plan to build it all 'somewhere else' and bring it up the canal. It could work well, even using somewhere close by that has spare capacity like the shipyard in Belfast. They might also mean somewhere with much lower labour costs...I'm skeptical about the timescales but pleased with the ambition, assuming it's genuine.
I was reading that INEOS are building something in a similar way in Europe. Construct large pieces elsewhere then ship to site.
They haven't confirmed all the funding is in place, and need approval from the Council and Government to confirm the funding on the bigger re-development.
fourstardan said:
It's quite nice to have these grand ambitious plans but....
Jim Reaper wants to use the canal to bring in modular construction....the guys an industrialist he is living in 1850
That's probably the only part which is reasonable. Can't see the time or cost being correct but the modular construction actually is quite smart.Jim Reaper wants to use the canal to bring in modular construction....the guys an industrialist he is living in 1850
The Athletic have a pretty Good pod on the financing of the club going forward
INEOS clearly have raised over $10 billion in debt and are very connected to serious players but the messages from that pod were
Profits from building housing and other types of new structures on the land owned by the club could release up to a billion and like Peel and the Manchester Ship Canal Company play in the 90’s land is a big part of this not just for the local authority
Long term bonds a part of the mix
The lack of any mention of the Glazers could be code for the fact that as a part of the implementation of the whole redevelopment plan they will exit as SJR is not (aside from one JV he has)a man who operates as a minority or joint shareholder and he tends to keep his businesses as private companies not publicly listed
He may not be a detail man in interviews and he certainly has a way of talking in a slightly loose way (about his core chemicals business as much as his sports and automotive business) that rubs some up the wrong way - but he gets things done
INEOS clearly have raised over $10 billion in debt and are very connected to serious players but the messages from that pod were
Profits from building housing and other types of new structures on the land owned by the club could release up to a billion and like Peel and the Manchester Ship Canal Company play in the 90’s land is a big part of this not just for the local authority
Long term bonds a part of the mix
The lack of any mention of the Glazers could be code for the fact that as a part of the implementation of the whole redevelopment plan they will exit as SJR is not (aside from one JV he has)a man who operates as a minority or joint shareholder and he tends to keep his businesses as private companies not publicly listed
He may not be a detail man in interviews and he certainly has a way of talking in a slightly loose way (about his core chemicals business as much as his sports and automotive business) that rubs some up the wrong way - but he gets things done
Massive game tonight.
I know some don't think we have a hope in hell of winning Europa, but I actually think Amorim's defensive and slow football he has us playing probably suits European football more than the PL.
We actually looked ok away against Sociedad last week on the whole, compared to our broader PL performances.
As always it's hard to see where a goal might come from, but Bruno seems to be bailing us out in the key moments at present and the slower pace of the game should suit Zirkzee too.
Not getting giddy and saying we are going to win the whole thing by any stretch, but it would be transformative if we did.
I know some don't think we have a hope in hell of winning Europa, but I actually think Amorim's defensive and slow football he has us playing probably suits European football more than the PL.
We actually looked ok away against Sociedad last week on the whole, compared to our broader PL performances.
As always it's hard to see where a goal might come from, but Bruno seems to be bailing us out in the key moments at present and the slower pace of the game should suit Zirkzee too.
Not getting giddy and saying we are going to win the whole thing by any stretch, but it would be transformative if we did.
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